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What does Sarah Palin remind you of?

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Subject: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 06:29 AM

Ewan Maccoll once told me that he thought 75% of all communication between human beings was non verbal.

So taking it as read, what a politician says is unlikely to be any real clue as to how things will be, when they're elected - what impression does this lady make with you.

Someone on another thread says scary, but she seems to hold no terrors for many Americans.

I know what she reminds me of, but I don't want to pollute the waters at this stage. I'd be interested to hear what the world outside my village is seeing in her. There is no denying her impact.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 06:53 AM

George W Bush and Dick Cheney all rolled into one, with a little Condoleeza Rice and Cathy Lee Gifford for good measure.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Stu
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 07:27 AM

Osama Bin Laden.

A right-wing religious fundamentalist nut who likes being filmed shooting military guns and declares wars and their consequences to be inspired of divine will. Allah be praised.

A clear case of convergent evolution (or, if you're a creationist, unintelligent design).


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,BanjoRay
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 07:29 AM

She's a creationist - anyone who's capable of such extremely stupid views shouldn't be allowed anywhere near politics IMHO
Ray


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: john f weldon
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 08:17 AM

Ellie-Mae Clampett, Tammy-Fae Bakker & an effeminate version of Forrest Gump.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 08:18 AM

Well, unfortunately for me, she is a dead ringer fir the girl I went with in high school so I'm having trouble workin' up a dislike for her... Maybe I just don't need to look at her... That's it... Yeah, I think that next time she comes on the TV I'll just look away...

(No, you won't, Boberdz... You'll look...)

See??? I have a little problem...

Geeze...

B:~(


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: SINSULL
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 08:28 AM

Elaine Benes of Seinfeld and just as self centered and compassionate.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Peace
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 08:35 AM

"Yeah, I think that next time she comes on the TV I'll just look away..."

OK, clue me in. I've heard of it happening on the spin-dry cycle of the dryer, but the television?


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 08:35 AM

A whining elementary school principal who sarcasticly belittles people with a put on tone of voice and threatens that you are in the way of God's plan,
"so you better go along or get out of the way mister",
to get her way.

Anyone in thier 40's who constantly drop the g in their 'ings' to sound young cute folksy and friendly, are phoney.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Jeanie
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 08:39 AM

Maybe it's because I'm from the UK, but I find the choice of names for her children to be quite revealing: Track, Trig, Bristol, Willow and Piper. Hmmmm.... Is this an attempt at being trendy, or what ?

I have come across Willow before, as a name, but not Bristol....although I know place names are becoming used more now. Are "Track", "Trig" and "Piper" often found as first names in America ? As they are an apparently religious and church-going family, I am surprised that the Palin children don't have more Biblical names, for instance. I'm just curious, really.

- jeanie


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 08:48 AM

"What does Sarah Palin remind you of?"

.

.

.

a typical American.

biLL (one who never met an American I didn't like)


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 08:50 AM

Bristol - Gee it doesn't rhyme with Gun, probably a old family name
Track - as in hunting
Piper - as in airplane
Trig - as in navigation
Willow - as in thin and flexible


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Penny S.
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 09:05 AM

Sound like clues in a Da Vinci, Bonekickers type treasure hunt. Or dogs' names.

And can't think anyone over here would call a child Bristol.



Penny


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 09:36 AM

Letterman had a whole litany of "what Sarah Palin looks like" lines last night. I wish I could remember more than just one:

"..like the woman in the department stores who sprays you with perfume."

(That may not have been the funniest, but it's the one I remember this morning...)

I like Donuel's chacterization, the whining grade-school principal

And yeah, what's the deal with the names of her kids? VERY bizarre...


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 09:37 AM

A pig a dog and a moose and a barracuda 'walk' into a bar,
The bartender says, you're gonna hafta take your politics outside, this is a sports bar.

A basketball player and a hunter walk into a bar...


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 09:42 AM

I should send that one to Craig Ferguson


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:12 AM

I dunno, but I know she got the punchline of that joke wrong.

It's supposed to go:

Q - What's the difference between a pit bull and a hockey mom?

A - One's mean, vicious and unpredictable. The other's a dog.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Peace
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:16 AM

"I have come across Willow before, as a name, but not Bristol"

He's a member of the Stomp family. You've heard of him, no?


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:20 AM

She reminds me of a community organizer, but with real responsibilities.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: leftydee
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:21 AM

Anyone remember right-wing nut-job Anita Bryant?


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:22 AM

She was last mentioned in the movie Airplane.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Bee
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:25 AM

Given her religious fundamentalist roots, I was surprised at both 'Willow' and 'Piper' for her kids' names, since both are most familiar from television fantasy shows about witchcraft. Perhaps there's something Palin hasn't told us.

She actually looks like one of my aunts by marriage (when auntiie was quite a lot younger). Said aunt was such a regular fibber that no one in the family ever believed a word she said without two other people backing her up.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:28 AM

Track, Trig, Bristol, Willow and Piper

I can't remember what the first one is for but Bristol is named after Bristol Bay in Alaska; Willow is named after the state something or other tree; Piper is named for the small family as in Piper Cub; and, Trig is a Norse or something word which means something I can't remember...warrior or something.

She reminds me of zealous evangelical women who have on blinders in that THEY are the only ones who know and everyone else is wrong when all they spew if the church rhetoric without ever asking any questions of it. A Barbie-doll-cheerleader who thinks putting others down is so cute. Her hair reminds me of the Mormon extremists who were recently in the news in Texas.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:31 AM

Bristol Bay and Willow are place and town names in Alaska. Piper, of course, is a plane. Don't know about Track, Trig-

Just Found This Explanation:

"Adedicated runner, she named her older son Track because he was born during that sport's season 18 years ago.

"Her youngest is 4-month-old Trig Paxson, whose first name is Norse for "true" or "strength" and whose middle name comes from one of his mother's favorite spots in Alaska.

"Her three daughters are Bristol, 17, Willow, 14, and Piper, 7.

"Palin said the eldest girl was named after Bristol Bay, where the family fishes.

"She hasn't explained the other girls' names, but there's a town in Alaska called Willow and Piper brings to mind the Piper Super Cub, a bush plane popular in her state."


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Jeanie
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:33 AM

I hadn't, Peace - but I have now, thanks to YouTube I have now discovered these jolly chappies: here

I've also discovered that there are 95 Bristols in the United States I don't think it can have the same slang meaning in the US as it does in the UK !

According to that White Pages webpage, Bristol is No. 17,544 ranked first name in the US. No. 17,543 is Bozidor and No. 17,545 is Chikako. So now you know....

I should have better things to do... but I'm going back there now to look up how many Tracks and Trigs there are.

- jeanie


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Stu
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:35 AM

Perhaps her grandchildren will be called names like Drill, Evangelise, Shoot or Bombthemotherf*ckersbacktothestoneage?


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:36 AM

Sue Townsend said about the Blairs, You can just tell no one in that family reads books.......


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:43 AM

I found this explanation at BBC News:

Her five children are named Track, Bristol, Willow, Piper and, last but not least, Trig Paxson Van Palin. According to the Washington Post newspaper, Track was named after the course of the sockeye salmon the family fishes off the town of Dillingham, while her eldest daughter's name comes from Bristol Bay, an area known for its salmon fisheries. The name Willow relates to the state bird, the willow ptarmigan, and a nearby town, the paper says, while daughter Piper shares her name with the family's small plane. Trig is the Norse word for "brave victory", the Post adds.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Jeanie
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:43 AM

There are 35 "Trigs" in the US, and 2 "Tracks".

Thanks for all the information on the Palin family names - very interesting.

- jeanie


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: bankley
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:44 AM

The US president after McCain croaks in Office


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:45 AM

Anita Bryant - I think that is a good parallel.

I'm one of the posters who have called Palin scary--I haven't changed my mind.

On Diane Rehm right now they're discussing this Charles Gibson interview coming up this week. Ted Koppel says he can't win--if Gibson starts with hard questions he'll be accused of having an agenda, and if he asks soft questions, all of his colleagues will be on his case.

This, of course, is because the media are letting the Republican party control the situation. They need to get over that and treat Palin like any other candidate. She is under-qualified and the Republicans know it, hence the dread of interviews and the full-fledged assault on the media. Once the media actually get full access to Palin, her feet of clay will be visible to all.

SRS


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:50 AM

to the tune of 'there once was a union maid'

There was an alaskan maid
who never was afraid
of Moose and mice
and men in tights
and liberals who are devils

She won an election race
The incumbant was disgraced
The bridge her hiest
And Jesus Christ
is all she needs to succeed

chorus
No you can't scare me
I'm Holdin on to Mobil
I'm bitin like a pit bull
I'm drillin like a numb skull
No you can't scare me
I'm holdin on to big oil
I'm shillin just for big oil
to the day I die.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:59 AM

The original post asked, 'what impression does this lady make with you?'

Just looking at gets me worried. Her hairstyle is 40 years out of date. Women were wearing their hair that way in the 1960's. And I don't like the non-verbal signal of the cutesy little tendrils which she allows to snake out of the beehive. Looks like she is heading to her job in a sleazy bar.

In the high-tech town where I live, this lady could not even get a good-paying job. If I encountered her on the street with her children, I would be worried for the children.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Peace
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 11:01 AM

The woman is strange.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: SINSULL
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 11:02 AM

Piper Laurie?


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Peace
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 11:06 AM

Look upper left. Took me 15 minutes to see that! Eyes are going.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Metchosin
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 11:09 AM

Rambo Barbie


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 11:10 AM

She went to the Library
to see what she could see
she saw bad books
by hook or crook
she'd throw those books away.

Palin joined the NRA
and aimed at the PTA
She had 5 kids
along the way
and this is what she'd say...

NO No you can't scare me
I'm Holdin on to Mobil
I'm bitin like a pit bull
I'm drillin like a numb skull
No you can't scare me
I'm holdin on to big oil
I'm shillin just for big oil
to the day I die.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 11:26 AM

My bets for grandchildren names: Derrick, Timber, Roughneck, Polaris Four Stroke turbo Switchback, and, for the long shot, Zhi Yi.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,hg
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 11:31 AM

A woman trying to compensate for the penis she didn't get....(hey, it takes one to know one)


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 11:31 AM

She reminds me of yet another inept politician.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 12:06 PM

Another neocon, but with looks and charisma.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: mg
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 12:23 PM

Marie Osmond. mg


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Greycap
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 12:34 PM

A politician.
I don't like 'em or trust 'em. Trouble is, they are the only ones who stand up at election time in my country, or any other.
If you vote for 'em, that's what you will get.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 12:42 PM

She doesn't particularly remind me of anyone except herself, but that may be because I've fairly much been ignoring the whole damn business, and just can't be bothered....


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Alice
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 01:05 PM

I turned on the tv news this morning, either CNN or MSNBC, can't remember which, and the female announcer had her hair styled EXACTLY like Sarah Palin's.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 01:08 PM

You ain't seen nothin' yet. Imagine what will happen if she ever becomes president.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 01:18 PM

Rambo Barbie LMAO! Love it!


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 01:23 PM

I'm not worried about the hair style, but when she lets her hair down in the political world, who knows what we'll see. Reporters need to get in there and ask the hard questions. Can she think under the pressure of a reporter with good questions, a camera, and a live satellite feed?

SRS


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 01:23 PM

George W. Bush in a dress.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Big Mick
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 01:30 PM

A naughty librarian........***chuckle*** "Come here you bad boy....***.

I'm wrong for that one.

Her attitude reminds me of Cheney, quite frankly. And when I watch her speak, it is clear she is buying into her own messianic publicity. Glassy eyes, starry, faraway look. Folks that do this enjoy their time, do a lot of damage, and invariably go down in flames (think Joe McCarthy). My prediction from the days after her nomination stands. At some point folks in the campaign, and the public in general, will be wondering what they were thinking.

Mick


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Alice
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 01:33 PM

Sarah Palin reminds me of a girl I went to class with in college who said the liberals just want to help lazy people get hand outs from the taxpayers.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 01:36 PM

She must be intelligent - did she not attend six colleges???


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 01:40 PM

I have to admit, Mick, she reminds me of the naughty librarian too... ;-D


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 01:45 PM

This thread reminds me of grade 8 ... you know, when the class get's together and wastes time and energy sniding about the one classmate they really don't like.

Oh well.

Frankly ... I still think Palin reminds me of a typical American.

biLL


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Big Mick
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 01:48 PM

And what, pray tell, biLL, is a "typical American"? Help me understand what homogenized traits you are referring to? Your simplistic comment kind of reminds me of the criticism that Irish Americans get when they refer to the English or Brits. Help me out her, buddy.

Mick


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 01:50 PM

The way she looks, talks, her sense of humour .... hell, even her politics.

That's how she reminds me of an American.

Pretty straightforward Mick ... just like all the other comments made about her here in this thread.

biLL


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,crazy little woman
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 01:51 PM

It may not be true that the kid is named for the family airplane. My husband's nephew's girlfriend's daughter is named Piper. Maybe it's a holdover from the actress Piper Laurie.

I wish that people would take the names of those nobler than most actors for their children. How does it sound when we say, 'She's been divorced three times, in rehab twice, doesn't have custody of her kids and her career is long over, but we named you after her.'

(Not that I'm referring to Piper Laurie in particular. She may have none of the above problems.)


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: John Hardly
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 01:53 PM

Mr. Smith.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: John Hardly
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 01:53 PM

and Tina Fay


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Neil D
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 01:53 PM

Sarah Palin reminds me that the American political landscape of the 21st century can be quite depressing. She represents the extreme right wing of her party and for the first time in this campaign year it looks like the Republicans might actually pull this off. After eight years of cronyism, corruption and incompetence, of lying to the American people into an illegal war, and all the Republicans had to do to get back on top was MOVE TO THE RIGHT. I didn't even think that was possible. So since majority rules that means that if the Republicans win in November, the majority of Americans are homophobic, narrow-minded, non-scientific hate mongers who believe God is on our side no matter what. And that, my friends, is depressing.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 02:02 PM

"So since majority rules that means that if the Republicans win in November, the majority of Americans are homophobic, narrow-minded, non-scientific hate mongers who believe God is on our side no matter what."

Well ... Ron's statment above pretty well defines why I think Palin reminds me of an American.

Then again ... as I stated above ... putting aside politiks, religion I never met an American I didn't like.

BiLL


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: kendall
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 02:03 PM

Well, I have to admit that "Caribou Barbie" is prettier than Joe Biden


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Ythanside
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 02:11 PM

A female version of Margaret Thatcher.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 02:21 PM

"A female version of Margaret Thatcher. "

..... YIKES !!


biLL


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Ythanside
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 02:49 PM

Thatcher was a stonehearted caricature of a human being with all the feminine charm of an obelisk. Sarah Palin seems reasonably normal by comparison.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Amos
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 02:53 PM

She reminds me of a warthog after cosmetic surgery. Better looking, but still a warthog down deep.


A


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Ythanside
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 02:59 PM

Come on, Amos, be fair. The girl's hairdresser tells her she doesn't look a day over sixteen, or is he talking about her hairstyle?


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 03:04 PM

Yeah, there are some real lookers that hang around on Mudcat too! Ever spend any time checking out the photos?   If you want to talk about needing a hairdresser or being stuck in the '70's, check out the photo section! After reading some of the comments in this thread, I guess a few of you have a shortage of mirrors!

Trust me, I'm not one to talk either!!   I have a face made for radio.

:)


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Ythanside
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 03:15 PM

Mirrors? You may be psychic, Ron. I had to remove a wall mirror today at the behest of my wife, as she said it made her look overweight (notice I didn't use the word 'fat'?) Funny thing, but the missus had a similar hairdo to Sarah Palin's only about, oh, let me see, must have been forty-five years ago.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Layla
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 03:22 PM

Sarah is a total lady and I wish the team well in the elections. I am sick of people making remarks about her because she is decent and God fearing. I echo the remarks of many a wise member on the cat, America will not vote a coloured man into the White House, no offence, but fact is fact.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Big Mick
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 03:24 PM

What colour is he, Layla?


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 03:25 PM

Frankly ... I still think Palin reminds me of a typical American.

Not quite. She reminds me of a made-up American. The kind of American created to populate movie screens and paperback novels. She's an embodiment of he mythical strongly independent American frontiersperson, a myth in which most of us have received a thorough indoctrination. She's a modern version of Calamity Jane. As long as people believe the frontier myth, they'll believe in Palin. But the fact is that the frontier myth is not only irrelevant, but counterproductive to the welfare of both our society and the planet. She may be just what Alaska needs, but she's certainly not what most of the rest of us need.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 03:30 PM

Calamity Jane !?!?!

American frontiersperson ?!?!?!

Geeesh.

She reminds me of the woman behind the cash counter at the Target store down in Danvers Mass.

biLL


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Peace
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 03:35 PM

She looks a bit like Jerry Falwell with tits.


Here ya go, Layla"


"You'll be riding along in an automobile. You'll be the driver perhaps. You're a Christian. There'll be several people in the automobile with you, maybe someone who is not a Christian. When the trumpet sounds you and the other born-again believers in that automobile will be instantly caught away -- you will disappear, leaving behind only your clothes and physical things that cannot inherit eternal life. That unsaved person or persons in the automobile will suddenly be startled to find the car suddenly somewhere crashes.... Other cars on the highway driven by believers will suddenly be out of control and stark pandemonium will occur on ... every highway in the world where Christians are caught away from the drivers wheel.

-- Rev Jerry Falwell, in his pamphlet, "Nuclear War and the Second Coming of Christ," quoted from Ronnie Dugger,"Does Reagan Expect a Nuclear Armageddon?" in Washington Post Outlook (April 8, 1984)"


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Ed T
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 03:39 PM

McCains main diversion, aka Chatty Kathy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSPXpc5N6Kg


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 03:40 PM

"She's an embodiment of the mythical strongly independent American frontiersperson, a myth in which most of us have received a thorough indoctrination. She's a modern version of Calamity Jane. As long as people believe the frontier myth, they'll believe in Palin. But the fact is that the frontier myth is not only irrelevant, but counterproductive to the welfare of both our society and the planet."

Exactly my point. Both Sarah Palin and John McCain embody the old popular American myths of rugged frontier heroism. They fit those myths to a "T". Those are the kind of myths that get people elected in the USA by a public brought up on dumb TV shows and Hollywood adventure movies.

I've never believed in that myth, although I do find it somewhat enjoyable and entertaining in certain types of movies. I don't buy it outside of that, and it has nothing to do with anything someone should be elected on the basis of.

But am I the typical American voter???? Hell, no!

The Republicans know what they're doing, in my opinion. I do hope, though, that they turn out to be wrong in their expectations.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: mmm1a
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 03:44 PM

It just came to me

       Doris Umbridge from the 5th Harry Potter book. Smiling and simpering, acting like She has your best interest in mind, but really is a slimy snake in the grass. I tell ya, if McCain does win the election I hope He lives a very very long life, otherwise we are screwed . No question about it.
                mmm1a


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: polaitaly
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 03:47 PM

What Sarah Palin remind me of.
Do you remember the movie "Serial Mom" ?


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: kendall
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 03:48 PM

Layla, who is dumping on her for being decent and God fearing?


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 03:49 PM

I will say this - her voice reminds me of the late Gilda Radner on Saturday Night Live. When she was introduced and in turn was introducing her family, just think of how she said "my husband Toddd".


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: C. Ham
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 03:52 PM

Here's an interesting blog from the editor of a NY Jewish newspaper comparing Sarah Palin to the women of Chabad Lubavitch, the Hasidic sect that tries to get secular Jews to become religious.

Jonathan Mark's Blog on Sarah Palin


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Don Firth (computer still in the shop)
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 03:57 PM

The love-child of a ménage a trois between Dick Cheney (with shotgun in hand), Anita Bryant, and Tammy Faye Bakker, with some Ann Coulter genes spliced in.

C'mon, Amos, let's not go around denegrating warthogs. . . .

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 04:08 PM

What does Sarah Palin remind you of?


A mean spritied version of Bobby's mother from the TV cartoon series "Bobby's World"
Uncle Ted is McCain


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 04:41 PM

I think she WILL remind everyone here of the reason they lost the 2008 election.

At present she reminds me of someone who believes in herself and every word she says.

I wish I could look at Obama or Clinton and say that.
Hawk as ever, is correct. people want conviction from their politicians, most don't really understand or care about the issues.

The spokespeople of the watered down "Democrat left" have no conviction and it can be seen by even those with no interest in politics(80% of the American electorate?)
Conviction, for the great unwashed, is the ultimate litmus test...Ake


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 04:49 PM

Mr. Smith - in the alternate universe in which he didn't really stand up to the establishment but only lied and said he did, all the while doing the establishment's dirty work for them and getting paid for it.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 05:12 PM

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Layla - PM
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 03:22 PM

Sarah is a total lady and I wish the team well in the elections. I am sick of people making remarks about her because she is decent and God fearing. I echo the remarks of many a wise member on the cat, America will not vote a coloured man into the White House, no offence, but fact is fact.


Whoa--two scarey ladies, Palin and Layla! Layla, stay a guest. This kind of attitude is corrosive and unwelcome.

SRS


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Ed T
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 06:00 PM

Initially, a modern promoter of the "religious crusades".

But, Bush really was the original character in this real theater/play.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Amos
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 06:37 PM

Akneton:

You are mistaken in the extreme. Let me point out some of the convictions that inform the left side of our political spectrum.

We have a conviction that issues are more important than PR pushbuttons and media-driven cartoons of personality.

We have a conviction that the country is deeply in need of fundamnetal chasngte in operating policies in order to recover from the last eight or more years of white-collar crime.

We have a conviction that international relations do not have to be conducted with bullets and that violence is a shabby last resort and aconfession of failure on the part of the initiator thereof.

We have a conviction that the core synthesis that makes the nation propserous and great has been broken by abuse and needs restoring.

All of these, and many more, have been cited and stated and indicated and articulated by leaders on what you so glibly call the watered down left.

I suggest you pull your head out of whatever dark recess has been protecting it from reality and take a fresh look at what is going on.


A


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: heric
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 06:47 PM

That's you and me and so many little people, Amos. Is it Obama and all the other Democratic "spokespeople?" Are we going to get Change change CHANGE cHanGE Change! C-h-a-n-g-e !!


Maybe, I guess.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: pdq
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 07:09 PM

Obama's definition of change: three quarters for a dollar bill


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 07:35 PM

What you guys are not getting is that Palin is not being portrayed as a frontier woman, or calamity jane or whatever ... what she reminds me of is yes, as I mentioned ... the woman behind the checkout at the Target store ... the working mom, the single working mom, the mom who hasn't the perfect family with the pain in the ass teenage daughter, the working mom with the special needs kid, the working mom with the son serving over in Bagdhad, the wife of the working man, the woman who can take on the washington establishment. There is a hell of a lot of these people in the U.S.A. The ones who have been ignored by the elite governing faction ... the lawyers, the corporate chiefs.

Whether she is exactly this person is irrelevant ... but that is what she is coming across as to the voters, something the voters in the U.S. have never seen before .. right or wrong I'm not going to even try to argue that point ... but it is why she is currently steam rolling through Virginia today ... 20,000k people out to see her. I will not be surprised to see this continue right through to voting day ... I may be wrong, but right now it looks like it has grabbed this whole carny election process by surprise. You may all call her what you will, but she is a reality that some can't seem to grasp.

"Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?"


biLL


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 07:48 PM

Single working mom?


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: kendall
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 07:52 PM

pdq please explain that remark.
He wants to give the middle class a tax break and he wants to stop the Bush break for the filthy rich. This right wing crap about him wanting to raise "YOUR" taxes is just that...crap.He will raise them if you make 4 million a year.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 07:56 PM

She will not fare any better in the debates or on her own campaigning than a working mom from Wal Mart would do biLL. I wouldn't want either one in the White House.

I was originally going to say she reminds me of a Stepford Wife, but she's not deadpan enough.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 08:01 PM

the woman behind the checkout at the Target store ... the working mom, the single working mom, the mom who hasn't the perfect family with the pain in the ass teenage daughter, the working mom with the special needs kid,

number 6, you don't get it. I don't want to elect the woman who works at the check out at Target as president of the U.S.. I don't want any of those people, I want someone who has demonstrated, through intelligence (combine scholarship and political savvy and an ability to do upper level critical thinking) and talent to be above the normal Joe or Jane on the street. I don't think Palin has that. She may be ambitious, but I don't see signs that she's anything other than the mega millions lottery winner in the VP slot on the ticket. Total fluke.

SRS


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 08:04 PM

What you describe there, number 6, "the woman behind the checkout at the Target store ... the working mom, the single working mom, the mom who hasn't the perfect family with the pain in the ass teenage daughter, the working mom with the special needs kid, the working mom with the son serving over in Bagdhad, the wife of the working man, the woman who can take on the washington establishment"

That IS the frontier woman, translated into present day societal terms. The frontier ideal celebrated in all those old westerns is a hard-working woman of the common people, someone with a family to take care of and someone who has faced the trials and tribulations of ordinary life on the homestead.

So she is indeed evoking those same old images. She's not "Calamity Jane" precisely (that's too specific and idiosyncratic a character)....no, she's the rancher's faithful wife on the old homestead, able to grab a long rifle off the wall and fight off a marauding grizzly bear that's after the livestock, yet still looking good despite all that hard work, toil, and tears...and not takin' no guff from the cattle barons and other rich folks up on the hill, no sir! Hell, she's a Tom Sawyer dream! (Michelle Obama would be too...only problem is...she's Black and her husband is half-black and he talks like an intellectual....hmmm....well, that won't quite do it for Middle America.)

Sarah Palin is the old Middle American frontier myth in full-blown grandeur, and she's white, of course. That goes without saying, right? And she's a "hotty" (so they say).

What more could they possibly want to draw an enthusiastic crowd out from conservative Middle America?

It remains to be seen whether the people on the right will be impressed by any factual data from her past record that would cast doubts on her suitability for the high office she is running for.

I highly doubt it. I think they will easily be able to overlook all the kind of documented stuff that Amos is so articulatly and gleefully documenting here, because people are NEVER interested in inconvenient facts that hurt their case. They are only interested in facts that serve to bolster their own chosen argument.

I've noticed that for years and years on this forum. It's the defining characteristic of the partisan mentality and the insecure mind, which only shows interest in facts if those facts support its usual convictions and its usual desired purposes and ends.

If not, the facts are either ignored or they are dismissed as "irrelevant" or "unimportant" or "misleading" or something like that.

This election, as usual, is not about issues. It's a personal popularity contest. It's a personality drama. Prepare for a couple more months of the usual idiocy. I expect it will get even worse than it has already gotten.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 08:10 PM

What she is, is highly marketable. The question is, will the voters be taken in yet once again by someone who is marketable but does not have the average voters' best interests at heart. And let's be real about that. She is working for the oil companies and big business generally. With McCain/Palin, we get more of the same imperialistic warmongering at the taxpayers' expense as we've had for the last eight years, and more forcing the taxpayers to have to subsidize big business (while they rake in historic profits) while our standard of living continues to decline.

Whether or not they win this election will depend on whether or not Obama can keep the voters focused on these things, while deflecting the lies being told by McCain/Palin.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Emma B
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 08:14 PM

'I expect it will get even worse than it has already gotten.'

Is this possible?


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 08:15 PM

As LH has been saying Carol ... the average voters see the persona, and vote for the persona ... not the issues.


biLL


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Alice
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 08:17 PM

Sarah Palin reminds me of the Peter Principle.
She has risen to the level of her incompetence.

Her first major gaffe yesterday was in speaking about the problems with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

"Speaking before voters in Colorado Springs, the Republican vice presidential nominee claimed that lending giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had "gotten too big and too expensive to the taxpayers." The companies, as McClatchy reported, "aren't taxpayer funded but operate as private companies. The takeover may result in a taxpayer bailout during reorganization."

"You would like to think that someone who is going to be vice president and conceivable president would know what Fannie and Freddie do," said Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research. "These are huge institutions and they are absolutely central to our country's mortgage debt. To not have a clue what they do doesn't speak well for her, I'd say."

Palin's first big gaffe, huffingtonpost.com


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 08:19 PM

The average voters also see the damage that's been done to this country and to their (our) standard of living. The only reason they're currently infatuated with Palin is because the McCain people have done a good job of making them believe that Palin represents a change from what we've had for the last eight years. The voters don't want more of what we've had for the last eight years. Obama has to help them see the truth of what she really stands for. If he can do that effectively, he can win.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: pdq
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 08:20 PM

Yes, but if you apply that to Sarah Palin you must also apply it to Barack Obama.


{hunnert!}


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 08:24 PM

NO, you must not. Talk apples and oranges.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: pdq
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 08:27 PM

{hunnert and 5!}

The people of Middle America want somebody who is positive and has covictions. Sarah Palin is close enough.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 08:32 PM

The people of middle America want peace and prosperity. They want good jobs, education for their kids, access to health care, and increasingly, they want to be able to free themselves of energy sources that come with a meter on them, and that are unsustainable. McCain/Palin are not the ones who will help them get these things.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: heric
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 08:49 PM

"Speaking before voters in Colorado Springs, the Republican vice presidential nominee claimed that lending giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had "gotten too big and too expensive to the taxpayers."

The strange thing about said quote is that she did not make a gaffe while responding to questions. They are still not letting her answer questions (right?). Hopefully it was an ad lib, but is it possible that speechwriters gave her that line to say????? Is the McCain team permeated with incompetence on substantive issues?


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: heric
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 09:10 PM

You know, Alice's Palin gaffe doesn't show up on google news front page. It didn't even show up when I searched "Palin." All the articles retrieved are about racism and lipstick. Swear to God.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 09:15 PM

Watching the video of her saying that, one can see McCain applauding that line from her. So my guess is that this is another one of the McCain campaign lies that they just figure they can get away with.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 09:20 PM

This afternoon I've been thinking of how Palin could have impressed me when she spoke at the Republican convention. It would have been easy, actually - if she had spoken passionately of the USA Constitution and the abuses it has undergone, if she had spoken knowledgeably of even a few of the issues facing this nation for at least a generation (Interest alone on the deficit is costing us more than 25 million a month and almost half of the debt is owed to foreign lenders), our physical infrastructure from bridges to water works are deteroriated and in danger of failure, and if she had quoted statesmen and thinkers as to how to address these problems, if she had outlined pet projects of McCain's and pledged to do her part, I would have been mightily impressed.

Instead she spoke as though she were the spouse of a potential vice president. As though we cared.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 09:53 PM

By the way, on the subject of single working moms, I've been a single working mom, and Sara Palin ain't no single working mom.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 09:57 PM

I know she aint no single working mom .... but the Palin package is appealing to a lot of those people.

I certainly know you aren't falling for it Carol.

biLL :)


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:21 PM

The big shots at Fannie and Freddie are among the fattest cats sucking at the Government teat. (Obama got in trouble for appointing former CEO Johnson, remember - Countrywide had done him favors.) The bail-out, although probably necessary, has exposed taxpayers to hundreds of billions of dollars of bad debt. The bad debt exists in large part because of the cozy relationship between those entities and Washington, and the always implied assumption that the feds would back up their obligations. With that status, they took on huge risk - but not with private money (in effect.) They did it with the security of this backing. The two CEOs are currently scheduled to get $8m and $16m buyouts, as solace becuase their stock options have been rendered worthless under their management.

McCain (even if he doesn't understand economics very well, as he says), should at least know this fact. The bailout has put taxpayers at risk for hundreds of billions of dollars. If he doesn't (after how many years??), then he and Palin really are pigs - heading for slaughter.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:24 PM

And we know who they're going to slaughter!


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:27 PM

It surprises me that someone who is so ardently anti-religion, especially anti-religion in government, would be so enthusiastically supporting someone who will work to try to increase religion's stranglehold on our government rather than reduce it.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:30 PM

"the average voters see the persona, and vote for the persona ... not the issues."

Wrong. The truth is not that simple.

Yes, you need to have a persona that is going to reach people. For all time, find a leader that did not have such a persona. But in the end, the voters DO vote on issues that effect them, and the person who can effectively deliver a message and convince will win.

Many people on this board have "bought" the persona of Dennis Kucinich. He is charsimatic and appeals to those looking for a certain niche. His message reaches them. There are plenty of people like Dennis Kucinich that offer the same messages and opportunity, yet they cannot get their message out.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:34 PM

I find that objectionable.

Those of us who support Kucinich do so because of his stance on issues. His persona is irrelevant. It's precisely because of this that he was my first choice rather than Obama, since with Obama, persona is a large part of the package.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:36 PM

And if anyone thinks it's easy for Kucinich to get his message out, they are profoundly mistaken.

When I was campaigning for Kucinich, most of the people I spoke to had never even heard of him. Sheesh.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:41 PM

I don't care much for Obama's cultivated Imperial, phoney persona either. One of those people who will talk slowly - slowly, so that they are the center and there shall be no interruptions, even as he tells you about his personal realizations in college that Twinkies were not good for his health, and so he decided then and there to eliminate them from his lifestyle. Or whatever.

Works well in speeches, though.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:43 PM

"It surprises me that someone who is so ardently anti-religion, especially anti-religion in government, would be so enthusiastically supporting someone who will work to try to increase religion's stranglehold on our government rather than reduce it."


                      It shouldn't. I had made up my mind to support Barack Obama if Hillary was cheated out of the nomination. Until Obama went to that discussion on "Religion and Ethics" (which have nothing to do with one another) and stated flatly that if elected he intended to leave the "Office of Faith Based Initiatives" open.

                      What that means to me is: boat loads of my tax money would be going to buffoons like Reverend Wright. And comments like that coming from a Democratic candidate just made the entire situation seem all that much more hopeless.

                      Better the money go to Pentecostals. As more and more people become aware of how stupid this all is, real change might finally be in the offing.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:47 PM

chuckle


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:57 PM

"Those of us who support Kucinich do so because of his stance on issues. His persona is irrelevant."

Agree   !!!!


biLL


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 11:13 PM

By the way, I see that I wrote "more than 25 million " a month interest on the deficit. Huh uh. Make that trillion.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 11:14 PM

What's wrong with speaking slowly because one is being thoughtful and sure of what words they speak? One's words are very powerful and should be used with care, esp. in a position of authority. In this world of hyped up everything where most everyone speaks fast and loose, I find someone who actually thinks about what they are going to say and then says it at a careful and easy-to-understand pace to be like breath of fresh air...a welcome change, pun intended.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 11:20 PM

"Those of us who support Kucinich do so because of his stance on issues. His persona is irrelevant. "


No, it is because of his personna that you had a chance to hear his stance.

You made my point. Americans DO take a stance because of the issues, but without that personna to get the message across - you never would have had the chance.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 11:25 PM

Yes, it's true, and of course I only see excerpts intended for public viewing. I just personally don't like being stuck in positions where I have to sit and listen to people doing that all the time as a control habit. And it happens often enough let me tell you.

I am sure he is playing it right in that regard. He is far far more intelligent than I. But it does appear calculated, and he could let go on lesser matters once in a while.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 11:31 PM

It's hardly his persona that gets Kucinich noticed. People don't find his persona particularly interesting. It's what he does as a congressman that gets him noticed. It's how he does his job, and what he has to say about the issues that get him noticed, to the extent that he does get noticed (which ain't much, relatively speaking).

And anyone who says that there are a lot of other people who have the same positions on issues as Kucinich is showing a complete ignorance of his positions on issues.

I think "I stand corrected" would be an appropriate response for someone else to make right about now, and then the thread can get back to its real subject.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 11:42 PM

'And anyone who says that there are a lot of other people who have the same positions on issues as Kucinich is showing a complete ignorance of his positions on issues.'

Not true at all. I understand and share his positions. You share the positions that Kucinich has, as do many people. Yet it is not enough.

The reason he is in a position that he is - elected FIVE times as a congressman as well as as well as the mayor of Cleveland - is because he was able to reach people through his persona. He is simply not someone that America wants for president. He can better serve his country elsewhere - in Congress.

I'm not saying that I disagree with his positions. The problem is, many people do. It is easy to blame the media, but the answer comes back to the candidate, their ability to get their message across, and whether enough people are interested.   Kucinich had a strong showing, but it was not enough - his views on issues such as the mid east, gun control, and his view on the war did not fly with most Americans. I wish it did, but it did not.

Face it, people like Kucinich do have a persona that reaches people. Think back on the 1960's and while they were different - people like Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin did the same. They weren't the first people to share the views, but they were able to reach more people through their personna.

Politicians, like Kucinich, are the same.   Their personna gets them out there, and then their message needs to sell.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 11:43 PM

heric, I don't get the sense he has any problem in just letting it go at times, but the stakes are too high and the McCain camp too ready to jump on anything as an issue (I mean, lipstick?)for him not to be very careful right now. I think you may see less of that as the gloves come off, so to speak, and in the debates. Maybe not, I may be wrong, but I still don't fault him for it.

I'd like to buy a gazillion dollars worth of adverts to say to McCain/Palin..."It's not about the lipstick, stupid!"


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 11:44 PM

We all have our anti-heros, individuals that do not follow the status quo and influence others. If you think it has nothing to do with their personna and their communication skills, you are sadly mistaken.   Those items are tools that they use. Kucinich does it admirably.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 11:45 PM

I didn't know Kucinich had a persona .... or even has one to this day.

biLL


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 11:48 PM

Yep, he sure does.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 11:57 PM

Kucinich doesn't really have much of a persona to speak of. Anyone who tries to tell those of us who support Kucinich why he got our, or anyone else's attention doesn't know what he or she is talking about.

One of the reasons a lot of his supporters like him is precisely because his persona is irrelevant.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 12:08 AM

OK -- I'm late to the thread -- what are we supposed to see in the upper left cover of Playboy?


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Peace
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 01:10 AM

I forget.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 02:55 AM

Right on, Carol. Kucinich's persona is not the point. It's what he says and what he stands for that is the point. Who needs another damn persona to vote for? I'd rather vote for some actual policies that I can believe in than award prizes to people for their brilliant and marketable personas. This isn't a blasted game show, it's real life.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 03:09 AM

Mention of another right wing nutjob.

As distinct from Playby's preferred handjob


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Layla
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 03:20 AM

I don't think I ever read so much left wing rubbish in my life. Why joke about a perfect lady ? Why be so negative about the republican party ?

Accept and understand all your little fantasies about a novelty sitting in the White House simply isn't going to happen.

Blessings


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 03:31 AM

Amos...I know better than anyone that there are convictions on the left.
We just have nobody with the balls to articulate them; and that's because these convictions are unpopular with middle America ...and middle UK. Representatives of the "left" in America and Britain are more interested in carving out a career for themselves inside the present economic system, than providing real change for our people.

I have already said that I disagree with Mrs Palin's statements...That is beside the point, millions in America are attracted to the lady's conviction and personna; and if you can't see that, then YOU are the one with your head up your arse my friend!

I also find the quips about the lady's educational standard a bit rich, coming from an electorate who habitually give power to presidents who seem to have no grasp of geography, language, or numbers, but have skills in seducing idiotic subordinates. We on the left need someone to articulate our beliefs in the same way that Mrs Palin does for the right....she actually believes the message, as do Teribus, Doug, BB, pdq.

Our team is composed of people who don't want to upset anyone, keep the status quo, keep a foot in both camps, wait for change to evolve through the electoral process............Well it ain't gonna happen any time soon. You whine that some candidates are too left wing (like Mr Kuninich), "they can never carry middle America".......No fuckin' wonder with folks like the mudcat "liberals" on our side.
People who can't wait to get the knife in!

Its about time we started to believe in what WE say and start transmitting that belief to the unbelievers .........Ake


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 05:36 AM

The whole point is that we don't BELIEVE in the left - we just hope there is a more compassionate and decent alternative to the profit motive and realpolitik.


Even if the right were right. It wouldn't be right, not morally.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Wyrd Sister
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 06:25 AM

Sarah Palin reminds me of why I'm glad I'm not American, and why I'm scared so many Americans are!


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Dazbo
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 08:23 AM

After Chelsea Clinton and Bristol Palin I'm looking forward to the next round of presidential elections where one candidate's child is called Dagenham and Redbridge


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 08:39 AM

"What does Sarah Palin remind you of?"


                Elenore Roosevelt!


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Mooh
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 09:08 AM

Monica


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 09:32 AM

"Kucinich doesn't really have much of a persona to speak of. Anyone who tries to tell those of us who support Kucinich why he got our, or anyone else's attention doesn't know what he or she is talking about."

I beg your pardon. I'm afraid you aren't grasping what I am saying.

You are fooling yourself if you feel that Kucinich doesn't have much of a persona, because if he was lacking one - he would not be where he is.

The imaget that he showed at the DNC - the firey oratory during his brilliant speech IS his personna. That image that he gave is the way he wishes the public to see him. It is a package, and a brilliant one. He reached those that feel the way he does.

You cannot have a successful politician without communication skills and an image that will inspire. It just doesn't happen. Kucinich is no exception.

A personna is a public image that is presented. That does not mean there is a Svengali-like attraction that will make people forget their views.

Ronald Reagan had it. He certainly did not reach me, but he got his message across and he spoke to needs of most Americans AT THE TIME.

"Kucinich's persona is not the point. It's what he says and what he stands for that is the point."

That is exactly right. I'm not sure why I am having a tough time getting across. Kucinich persona reached people - it attracted people like Carol to his message.   He stands for something she believes in and affected her to work for his goals. There are plenty of people like Kucinich that just cannot reach people effectively.

Sarah Palin has a personna.   The issue now is to see how her personna will change and how effective she will be once the script is taken from her hands.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 10:03 AM

She reminds me of the little stone in David's sling....knocking out Obama's Goliath ego!!!


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 10:08 AM

Sorry, forgot to post name

Re-post from another pertinent thread

I thought Obama was PROMISING CHANGE!....NOT MORE OF THE SAME??   Attacking Palin, is like Bush attacking Iraq....ITS THE WRONG TARGET, STUPID!!!!!!!!!!
He should stick to his issues, and or attack the Presidential candidate,
not the VP choice....but she got to him and his self consumed ego!!!
His irrational behavior in this matter,(even with all his bullshit backtracking), is not CHANGE......ITS MORE OF THE SAME!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 10:08 AM

Oh yes - Anita Bryant. I thought there was a hidden picture or something......!


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 12:06 PM

I would like to add - I do stand corrected in the respect that I cannot read Carol's mind and make a call on why she endorsed Kucinich.

However, I stand firm in my opinion that ALL successful politicians use and create a personna in order to successfully push their ideas. Kucinich is no exception.   

As I said earlier, Americans vote on the issues. The issues, and solutions are delivered by politicians. Politicians need to reach people and you cannot do that if you do not have communication skills and work with tools of a campaign.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Big Mick
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 12:50 PM

"Layla" needs to stop posing. This is no GUEST that wandered in. "she" is an old troll playing a new role, IMO.

As to the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac mess, it is a major gaffe on her part that shows she is a lightweight on the knowledge end of the scale. You can bet that Joe Biden would never have made that gaffe. Nor would he have made the gaffe about the "under God" portion of the Pledge of Allegiance, as to "if it was good enough for the founding fathers....".

The best description of the bailout of Freddie and Fannie that I heard was, "we are privatizing profit and socializing losses".   It shows that this whole mess that started with that great communicator Reagan, is more about creating a new God to worship, that being capital. This isn't about unfettered markets and removing government interference in the lives of average folks. It is about shifting the burden of business loss to the average person, centralizing wealth in the hands of the privileged, and undoing over 100 years of laws designed to protect average folks from the tyranny of centralized capital. Imagine the old "blackball" system computerized.

Change? Hell no. I want the good old days where we protected workers and families from the excesses of those whose only goal is the enhancing of the wealth of the privileged few.

Mick


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 01:46 PM

someone who should get out of the kitchen


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 03:04 PM

The way she inflects her voice, etc. reminded me, right away, of the various characters Sue Scott plays on Prairie Home Companion. If you click here and fast forward to the Story of Bob script at 15:19, you'll hear what I mean.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 07:46 PM

Sarah is on the front pages on English papers today showing her being photographed for Vogue.

She reminds me of several people - but principally I keep thinking of Dorothy Michaels.....?

You guys have checked that its not Dustin Hoffman just geting 'into character'?


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: jeffp
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 08:31 PM

My fiancee's sister's son said she looked like a librarian in a porn movie.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Amos
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 08:38 PM

OK...TWO warthogs after plastic surgery.



A


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 08:55 PM

She looks like your average butt-kissing bureaucrat who finds themselves in an administrative position and thinks they finally made the grade.

Then again, she might be a has-been model who has settled for an executive position at a large retail chain.

She also looks like the church lady who wears too much make-up and a wig.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 09:50 PM

You mean like Tammy Fay Bakker?


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 03:03 AM

Al......Stop "raining on my parade"....:0)


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 04:03 AM

She reminds me of a lass, who took the wind out of a windbag's sails, with just one speech!


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 05:38 AM

sanity you remind me of the father in Tootsie who proposed to Dustin Hoffman.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 05:41 AM

The stupidity of Marie Antoinette


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 07:23 AM

More like Joan of Arc!


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Peace
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 08:00 AM

Say her name backwards.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 08:31 AM

My bumper sticker

VOTE for Sarah Palin
she's as smart
AS THE PRESIDENT


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: freda underhill
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 10:00 AM

say her name inside out..

Sarah Palin =
Anal Parish
A sharp nail
a plain rash
nasal harpi


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: freda underhill
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 10:07 AM

and another thing, how are you going to be the vice president of the United States with five kids to take care of? She's got a four-month-old of her own, she's about to become a grandmother, and she's partnered with John McCain. How many diapers can one woman possibly change?


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 11:26 AM

She can hire a diaper changer, just like Michelle Obama hires a diaper changer, and she won't have to pay $10,000.00 a month.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 12:43 PM

From: freda underhill
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 10:07 AM

and another thing, how are you going to be the vice president of the United States with five kids to take care of? She's got a four-month-old of her own, she's about to become a grandmother, and she's partnered with John McCain. How many diapers can one woman possibly change?

Gosh freda, you sound like you think women are stupid and inadequate. Is that what you really think?????????

Actually, when Biden steps down, and Hitlary goes to VP slot, Oblowhard's momentum will re-emerge....And when the Democraps get their thumbs out of their butts, while whining and picking their noses over Palin, and start addressing the issues, instead of focusing on Oblabbo's not so shiny star,.. When their wonderful egos stop clashing, and they actually think about the issues, instead of the 'look at me', factor......Watch!
In no way are these crybabies ready to be President of a lemonade stand! Sorry, pom-pom groupies, its true!


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 12:48 PM

"Actually, when Biden steps down, and Hitlary goes to VP slot, Oblowhard's momentum will re-emerge...."

Heh! What a fascinating idea! I don't really think that's going to happen...but if it did... Boy, wouldn't that be a remarkable example of utterly crass political maneuvering to win an election?


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 12:51 PM

Once Kucinich and Paul were sidelined, crass folks are the ones left in the race to vote for.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 12:54 PM

Yeah, that's about right.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 01:11 PM

"How many diapers can one woman possibly change?"

If you are going to steal jokes, at least give the source credit!!   Jay Leno used that line last week!    We have to be careful about plagerizing, Joe Biden already had issues with that!


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 01:11 PM

point of information for foreign man

You know how sanity just called you democraps. And the election before last, they were calling you demo-crooks, because they said you were going to waste their tax dollars.

do the democrats have any terms of mindless abuse for their opponents?


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 01:12 PM

From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 12:51 PM

Once Kucinich and Paul were sidelined, crass folks are the ones left in the race to vote for.

I believe the were not one of the elite's inner circle, and had independent thinking, that why the media omitted them!. The other two, are just one in the same...but some on here just don't see it...they're too busy blinking too fast!!!!'


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 01:13 PM

"Actually, when Biden steps down, and Hitlary goes to VP slot,..."

Not likely. Some of us remember the ONE time a VP candidate was replaced after being nominated; Sentaor Thomas Eagleton of Missouri was to be George McGovern's running mate in '72 before it was revealed he had once undergone some kind of psychiatric treatment. Just the first of many things to go wrong with that campaign.

By the way: Was spelling "Hillary" as "HITLARy" just a typo, or a Freudian slip?

Actually, I think that if either Veep candidiate is going to be replaced, it would much more likely be Ms Palin. Biden is a thoroughly known quantity, while his Republican counterpart is a complete unknown about whom who-knows-what might be dug up and revealed. Also, once her handlers actually allow her to be questioned, she just might blow it big-time.

Brainy young minority Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal (an Indian-American, which is not the same thing as an American Indian) would be the obvious next choice, and probably would have been a better initial choice. We don't know for sure that he was explicitly asked to join the ticket, but he met with McCain several times before the convention and publically announced that he would not accept nomination as the VP candidate, but would prefer to concentrate of his (new) governership.

While the opening days of the Republican convention were being disrupted by Hurricane Gustav, Jindal was on TV looking very cool and competant as head honcho of the evacuation process. Jindal is a convert to Catholicism, the old-school pro-life brand of Catholicism, and could well represent the future of the GOP.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 01:17 PM

From: PoppaGator
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 01:13 PM

"Actually, when Biden steps down, and Hitlary goes to VP slot,..."

Not likely. Some of us remember the ONE time a VP candidate was replaced after being nominated; Sentaor Thomas Eagleton of Missouri was to be George McGovern's running mate in '72 before it was revealed he had once undergone some kind of psychiatric treatment. Just the first of many things to go wrong with that campaign.

Right, Poppa, Oblabbo, won't replace him, for it would make him look more inexperienced than he is...the masquerade, will be 'Biden steps down'
And yes, Hitlary, was not a typo


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Big Mick
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 01:29 PM

Y'all need to stop second guessing, and falling for the spin meister's magic. Biden was then, and is now, the best choice for VP. Clinton would not have been the smarter choice, and that is why she was not in contention. She might have made it a different race, but the Presidency would have been intolerable. Obama could have chosen her for political reasons (as McCain has done), but he would have had to deal with not one, but two co-Presidents. That simply is not tolerable, and the Repub's would have used exactly that in the campaign, painting him as not his own person.

Palin was a smart move POLITICALLY, that will eventually fade. She is still in her honeymoon period, although you have seen the beginnings of that unraveling as more is known about her record, and in the wake of the Gibson interview. Make no mistake, she will make the race close, but in the end I refuse to believe that American women make their choices solely on the basis of the genitalia of the candidate. Certainly they will find a kinship with a working Mom, but we don't elect on that basis. We elect on the basis of positions that will affect OUR ability to raise children and provide them with opportunity. I have a great deal of faith in the ability of the electorate to wade through the chaff and get to the grain.

And don't forget that ultimately we are voting for either Obama or McCain, not Obama or Palin.

So do the old Mick a favor and layoff with this attitude that somehow the selection of this right wing idealogue is going to break the Dems and cause them to lose. I don't believe that will be the case at all.

Mick


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 01:43 PM

"And yes, Hitlary, was not a typo."

Then you should have spelled it "HitlEry," assuming that you know how to spell Hitler.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 02:26 PM

"And yes, Hitlary, was not a typo."

In my haste to correct the spelling, I let a punctuation error go unacknowledged. There should be no comma after "Hitlary" ~ a comma is never placed between subject and predicate-verb.

;^)


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 02:38 PM

"She can hire a diaper changer, just like Michelle Obama hires a diaper changer, and she won't have to pay $10,000.00 a month." Rig

What on earth are you reading, Rig? The Obama kids are 10 and 7 years old.

"do the democrats have any terms of mindless abuse for their opponents?" weelittledrummer

No. Being Republican these days is ludicrous enough.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 03:40 PM

"We elect on the basis of positions that will affect OUR ability to raise children and provide them with opportunity. I have a great deal of faith in the ability of the electorate to wade through the chaff and get to the grain."

Oh I wish that were so true Mick .... but after that last election for Bush I question what kind of 'grain' the the voters really vote for.

biLL


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 04:22 PM

GfS's choice of "Hitlary" is a deliberate combining of the names "Hitler" and "Hillary", Poppa Gator. Seems to me that if you want to do that, then "Hitlary" works far better than "Hitlery" would, since the suffix "ary" links better and more obviously to Hillary than the suffix "ery" does. This way both names get more or less equal coverage, which is what it's all about when you're combing two existing names into a new word.

Not that it really matters...but I can't figure why you would criticize GfS's choice of the acronym in this case. It works.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 04:34 PM

Why do people say she is attractive?


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 04:35 PM

"What on earth are you reading, Rig? The Obama kids are 10 and 7 years old."


                   I know, but they take after their father!


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 04:39 PM

Sarah Palin is not who she seems. She is lying when she talks about what she did in Alaska. She is a pro-secessionist for Alaska. Her preacher friend is worse than Reverend Wright when he talked of his hatred for the US government. That didn't make the corporate news. She did nothing in regard to the National Guard. She is a phony here. She is the Pork Queen and lied about the Bridge to Nowhere and the sale of her plane. Left Wasilla 22 mill in debt. She speaks in tongues.

Ron, unfortunately, you are the one who is wrong here. People do not care about the issues. This has been borne out in the last two elections. Bush was the "beer buddy". People talked "family values" and image and nothing of substance regarding issues.

Obama needs to say to McSame, "You are a yes-man for Bush." "McCain is no friend of the working man". "McCain is not your friend". "McCain is tied in with lobbyists." "McCain is not telling the truth about Obama's so-called sex-ed." "McCain will have a 100 year war. That's all he knows." "McCain is old in his thinking.
Can't use a computer. Doesn't know the difference between Shi'a and Sunni. Thinks Czechoslavkia still exists. Doesn't know the borders of Afghanistan and Iraq. His judgement is impaired and that's why he selected Palin". "McCain admits he knows nothing about economics." "McCain has Rove who ignores Congress subpoenas working for him."

Issues, shcmissues.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 04:43 PM

What??!?!?!

If either candidate is liable to insulting jokes about needing his diaper changed, it would be the old guy, no?

And referring back to the post where Michelle Obama is accused of employing an overpaid diaper-changer for her pre-tten girls (??!?), where on earth did that $10 grand per month figure come from?

Aside from some wingnut's imagination, of course; I'm looking for whatever flimsy claim for substandtiation that anyone might be making.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 04:45 PM

(My last post was a response to Rig's of 4:35 ~ I thought I was posting quickly enough to avoid the confusion of an intervening mesage.)


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: DougR
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 06:13 PM

A very bright, experienced, political executive. A woman who will be an excellent VP.

DougR


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 07:23 PM

"My last post was a response to Rig's of 4:35..."


                  Sorry, PappaGator, I looked it up. That was the cost of the children's school.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 09:11 PM

I thought the tuition at the University O Chicago's private school (Lab) was free ... but then I could be wrong.

Of the 4, McCain, Palin, Biden and Obama .... Pali's kids are the only ones sent to a public school.


biLL


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Songster Bob
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 09:30 PM

She reminds me of Betty White's character, Sue-Ellen, on the old Mary Tyler Moore show.

Bob


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Don Firth (computer still in the shop)
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 09:40 PM

"She speaks in tongues."

Forked. . . .

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 11:05 PM

Rig, please offer us - me - some documentation on the Chicago $10,000 a month school. What is the name of the school? How long have they been going/did they go there? What are the advantages of going there? Who else sends their kids there?

Start with the name. We can probably take it from there.

Thank you.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 11:34 PM

Ebbie .... Obama's kids go to the University O Chicago's Lab private school ... from what I know their tuition is free to faculty members .... feel free to google this and correct me if I'm wrong.

biLL


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 11:42 PM

Rig, I am putting you on notice, now, that I, for one, have had it with your sickening racist comments regarding Barack and Michelle Obama. I keep trying to reconcile the "you" I know who cares, behind the scenes, from the PMs we've exchanged, but I don't see it out here. Your racism is not welcome here, as far as I am concerned.

For the record, my grandsons are like Obama, their mother is white, their father is Antiguan. I hope they never run into someone like you.

Kat LaFrance aka katlaughing


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 12:38 AM

I can't find the wikipedia article that I was looking at earlier in the evening, or it has been changed--it's probably been edited--that's happened to me before. But I found this, though the wikipedia article had the tuition being much higher.

                   It seems to me like Michelle Obama announced in public that she spent $10,000.00 a month on tuition for her daughters a while back, but I don't recall the occasion.

                   And there is nothing racist or sickening about any of my comments. They are honest observations. Check the record.

                     I'd have to go back to find the writer of this, and don't have time. Google it. I can understand the frustration of Obama supporters who thought they had the election in the bag, and now see it slipping away. But if you continue to assault me, I'll go back and find the source.

    "So it is with huge grief-filled disappointment that I discovered that the Obamas send their children to the University of Chicago Laboratory School (by 5th grade, tuition equals $20,286 a year). The school's Web site quotes all that ridiculous John Dewey nonsense about developing character while, of course, isolating your children from the poor. A pox on them and, while we're at it, a pox on John Dewey! I'm sick to death of those inspirational Dewey quotes littering the Web sites of $20,000-plus-a-year private schools, all those gentle duo-tone-photographed murmurings about "building critical thinking and fostering democratic citizenship" in their cherished students, living large on their $20,000-a-year island."


                   This is what I'm left with. I can't help but think MoveOn.org is behind it.

On the NY Times blogs, Sandra Tsing Loh is depressed to discover that Barack Obama sends his


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Razr
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 02:14 AM

It's always good to look into someone's background and see from where or what they came from. I have no doubt whatsoever Sarah could provide several generations of law abiding Americans who made this country what it is today.

Goes to show no amount of money or school fees can buy class, breeding or heritage. Silk purse and sows ear are words that come to mind.


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Subject: RE
From: Barry Finn
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 02:26 AM

"What does Sarah Palin remind you of?"

After watching the ABC interview with her & "Charlie", she reminds me of a politican that doesn't know enough to hide her lies. She reminds me of a liar that has no remorse in telling you face to face a stright up bold faced out right lie, no covering it up with her. She'll continue to lie even when shown & confronted that it's a lie. She'll make a fine republican VP. No change here!

Barry


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Barry Finn
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 02:52 AM

Riginslinger
"by 5th grade, tuition equals $20,286 a year" That not a big deal


The going rate at the "for profit" day care center where my wife works is $23,400 per yr & that's without the extras like special music programs & other such stuff & those that are poor get state vouchers.



Education should be affordable & accessable to everyone, at all levels, this is one of the issues Obama is fighting for. The republicaans have been against this & other issues like this, just like affodable & accessable national health care. MaCain & Palin will see to it that we'll stay the same course & it'll be another decade before the topic can be breached again if they get into office.

Them that have the resources, brains & money to get their children
will do so at any cost, it'sthe best investment they can get for their kids future. The shame of it is that we all can't obtain it for our kids. If only I had the money,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
That's what this election is about!

I want the same health coverage as MaCain gets, I want my kids to have the option of receiving the same education as the kids of politicans get. I want want to be free of worry that wars will take my kids away from my, I want my kids to be able to find jobs that pay a decent wage, if there are any left by the time their schooling's done, I want to have the civil & human rights that were granted to me & fought for by my forefathers & founding fathers, I want my privicy, I want my bedroom shades drawn without the government peeking in & telling me how my family's to live their lives, I want back the amendments that were stolen by the Bush administration, I want religious extremist to keep their religons to themselves & stay as far away from matters of state as the law provides, I want politicans who lie about bringing US to war brought to justice & jailed by a war crimes court, I want our government to sign on to a world court, I want to know that we as a nation won't through away our kids future so that oil, drug, energy, medical companies can make profits at the costs to our enviorment. I don't want much only what's fair & due US.

Barry


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Barry Finn
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 03:27 AM

"200"

Barry


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 09:44 AM

"Education should be affordable & accessable to everyone, at all levels,..."


                      Yes, Barry, I would agree with that. The point I was trying to make was that the money was being spent on tuition and not a nannie. Everything went downhill from there.

                      It occurs to me, though, that if Obama is getting a $40,000.00 per year perk by getting "free" tuition, the McCain campaign might want to check it out and ensure that he's paying the appropriate income taxes on it.

                      The more puzzling thing is, how does any of this become racist?


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 10:43 AM

Jeeezuz, Peezuz.....You all act you are shocked to imagine that your favorite, pet politician has been caught telling a 'lie'!!
what is so dumbfounding is you don't seem to realize, is, that most politicians these are LAWYERS!!...of course they lie! They are all liars that just chose politics!! The problem isn't even all of their views, (which seem to disappear after they are elected, btw)..the problem here, is the never ending corruption of the process, and the concealment of the string pullers, who, in a real world of integrity, would be brought to trial, for treason, among other things. While everybody is worried about Palin vs Obama, nobody is asking, or even talking about the deliberate efforts to dissolve and change our borders, uninspected trucks coming 'across' with God only knows what, inside, and the deliberate, calculated drive to wedge Americans against each other, leading to an attempt, to cause major civil uprisings, so your pals in government can 'step in', (read: move toward fulfilling their agenda) by force, here is what used to be America!
You think, (because you were supposed to, btw) that their is a big gap between the Bush's and the Clintons,..like there is a big difference between the Clintons and Obama!..Get fucking serious!!! The Clintons and Bush's go back, decades, as partners in crime, treason for one, and violation of American neutrality, and drugs and arms dealing, and other things, that actually made the news! And for all of you trigger happy arguers, all you have to do is look up Mena, Arkansas, when Bush 41, was VP, (and former head of the CIA, and Billy Boy Clinton was Governor of Arkansas). Even in this 'election' it has been brought out how between Bush and McCain, there is little difference, so I don't need to go on about that, (I hope), and its also been brought out, how very little difference there is between Obama, and Hillarity, WAKE UP!!!!!!! AND WHO IS IT THAT DOESN'T KNOW THIS STUFF??..The Russians? The Chinese??(to whom Clinton sold us out to, both in technology, and in trade, after grand pappa Bush opened up the way) The Iraqis??, The Iranians?(remember Iran-Contra?? read above!), and btw, the present, leader of ran, was one of the hostage taker organizers, back in the Carter years...You think these people, don't know us in a different light, than we think of ourselves??? We have been lied to for so long, we've just gotten used to it, and quite frankly, enjoy the entertainment of it....and why is it we are lied to??..because, it is the American people who these liars fear!!!!~ This has gotten so obvious, that we have become the laughing stock of the international community,who they also fear, because it is quite clear, that our power has been and still is, in the hands of some very corrupt and evil people....And the notion that this race isn't about race and gender, (now being used to divide us further), is just another example of exploiting shit that everyone is so damned 'political correct' to admit!! Oh yeah, the term 'politically correct' is another term from the Clinton term, that is just used to water down the truth, and to in effect police our very speach...which all of you musicians and writers should be outraged at...but you're not...you're too far duped!!!!!WAKE THE FUCK UP!


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 10:51 AM

The Iranians?(remember Iran-Contra?? read above!), and btw, the present, leader of ran,
Sorry for the typo, make that IRAN, not 'ran'


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 11:45 AM

Well, Sanity, I agree with a number of your observations. There are no major differences between the canidates we are left with after the nominating process has concluded. Frankly, there wasn't all that much difference before the nominating process begain. So we are stuck trying to correct the course of the country by making very minor changes.

                   I think it helps to look at it this way: if a ship is sailing across the Pacific from, say, San Francisco and heading on a general course to Asia, and somebody sneaks on board and changes the rudder just one degree, the ship will end up in a very different place than if that person hadn't snuck on board to begin with.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 11:54 AM

Last night I watched the rockumentary film "Gimme Shelter" on cable TV. When the Jefferson Airplane took the stage at Altamont, I was horrified at myself when I saw the young Gracie Slick and was reminded of Madame Pitbull.

Sorry, y'all!


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 12:01 PM

"But if you continue to assault me, I'll go back and find the source."

Please do. Consider yourself assaulted.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 12:11 PM

Whatever you do, don't think about lipstick on a pig or a Pork Queen.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 12:22 PM

What's the difference between Sarah Palin and an extremist Muslim fundamentalist?

Says Juan Cole:..................lipstick.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 12:57 PM

Correct you are, this time Rig!...Nobody cares though


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: pdq
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 01:05 PM

"...that most politicians these are LAWYERS!!...of course they lie!"

Hard to argue the point, but please note who the lawyers are: Bill Clinton, John Edwards, Michael Dukakis, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Barack Obama, Walter Mondale, Jerry Brown, Gary Hart, Al Gore, Ted Kennedy, etc ad nauseum.

Dan Quayle was a lawyer, but I think you have to go clear back 31 years to find another Republican involved serious preidential politics: Gerald Ford and Richard Nixon both had law degrees. Ronald Reagan and Nelson Rockefeller both had degrees in Economics.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 01:38 PM

Hey, great post at 13 Sep 08 - 10:43 AM , GfS. You summed it up quite well. Divide and Conquer is the name of the game that the $ySStem plays so effectively on the American people to rule them. Divide them on the basis of...

race
gender
party affiliation
phony "liberal/conservative" dichotomy (which is mostly illusory)
sexual choices
abortion and birth control choices
religion and atheism
evolution and creationism
culture (Anglo/Black/Hispanic/Muslim/Christian)
age
financial status
dirty presidential campaign tactics and innuendo

Really, anything will do. The main thing is that the people be incited to fear one another and to divide up into mutually competitive groups constantly jockeying against each other and heightening each other's paranoia and fortress mentality. If this leads to some domestic violence, so much the better. That will allow a greater extension of police and military powers on the domestic front, and that suits the $ySStem to a "T".

What do you get? Illegal wars abroad. The gradual establishment of a police state at home (much aided by the bogus creation wrongfully called "Homeland Security").

There is going to be even more good business for mercenary soldiers in the future, I'm thinking, both at home and abroad. Outfits like Blackwater must view the situation with much optimism.

To me it very much resembles the rise of militaristic fascism in Italy and Germany in the 30's...only with this difference: the American version of fascism is built around a phony 2-party Duopoly rather than a single official party that dominates the scene.

That's clever. It creates the illusion of always providing a democratic "choice" to the mesmerized masses who are ruled by the Duopoly.

At the same time, the masses are kept sedated, distracted, and entertained by the most all-pervasive consumer marketing and advertising systems in the history of the world. You have to go somewhere where it isn't happening (or just not watch TV for a year or two) to realize just how insane it is. The public's behavioural physical and mental addictions are constantly fed on a daily basis by providing...

fast food plus total and absolute junk food
a flood of consumer products (made in China)
lots of easily available porno, plus soft sex messages in ads
sports events
an election frenzy that lasts almost forever
drugs, drugs, drugs...legal or illegal, who cares?
frequent celebrity scandals
dumb TV shows, the final limit of which is the "reality" TV show
dumb radio shows (chock to the brim with inane advertising)
dumb youth crazes, mostly marketed through MTV and other TV shows

And it all makes MONEY! (which is the central axle around which the entire damn wheel rotates)

Therefore it's unstoppable within its own closed loop of reality, because nothing else talks as loudly inside that loop as money does.

The only thing that can defeat this kind of $ySStem is its own corruption and irrationality eventually bringing it to destruction. That takes awhile. It took quite a while, for example, for Rome to fall...not so long for Mussolini or the Nazis.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 02:03 PM

"'But if you continue to assault me, I'll go back and find the source."   
"Please do. Consider yourself assaulted."



                   Here it is:


         New York Times piece for 9/13/08 entitled: "Rantings of a PTA Mom."
http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/09/the-rantings-of-a-pta-mom/index.html?ref=opinion&8ty&emc=ty


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 03:11 PM

Thank you Little Hawk, for both the 'flowers', and a great post, yourself!! You seem to be one of the very few that 'get it'. so many of the others(not all) are just so caught up in debating the 'illusion' and becoming the illusion, and casting stones,...well at every one, in every direction they can!....The real law is 'Do unto others, as you'd have them do unto you'--Jesus. Of course the idiots will minimumize him too...but forget we mark time from his birth......(some will agrue that too)...(the potatoE heads)


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 03:49 PM

If you mean our present yearly calendar system, GfS...yeah...that is dated according to the life of Jesus. I guess the Romans made that decision after Constantine converted to Christianity, did they? And the Romans got to call the shots, and we're still going by their system. I would think that's how it happened.

I wonder what people were basing the calendar on prior to that? For instance, there was clearly a time when the year 53 B.C. wasn't called 53 B.C.   ;-) I wonder what it was called then?

People mostly get caught up in the illusion, as you say.

For instance, Kat is (I think) mistaking Riginslinger's dislike of Obama for "racism" when it's simply his dislike for Obama's whole candidacy, period, because he is convinced that Obama can't win the election and he thought that Hillary could win it. He was for Hillary, and he remains for Hillary. It's not unusual for people to maintain such loyalties. I was for Kucinich and/or Ron Paul, and I remain for Kucinich and/or Ron Paul (but they never had a chance against the Duopoly because they wouldn't be its compliant puppets).

Thus Riginslinger has been opposed to Obama from the start, not because Obama is Black, but because he honestly thinks that a Black man such as Obama simply can't win the election in the present context of America as America exists today...and he probably thinks that Obama lacks substance and experience.

But what if Obama AND McCain AND Palin AND Biden would all end up being compliant pawns of the same controlling forces anyway once they were elected?

Then what?

In Rome, the imperial order rules. The leaders' faces change. Some leaders are definitely worse than others, but the Empire rules until it falls.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Hollowfox
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 04:28 PM

My first impression was of an attack dog. Before she was put on the ticket I said that anything would be better in the White House than what we've got. Now, if (Heaven forfend) the Republicans win, I'll pray for McCain's health every day.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 04:43 PM

Little Hawk, I just re-read your post to a friend of mine(From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 01:38 PM) You are DEAD ON TARGET(to quote you, from another post of mine weeks ago!!!!..and the beat goes on....right here, in Mudville!


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 07:41 PM

You choose to focus on the Obamas, Rig, but from your link the writer says that only Palin sends her children to public school. (She may not know that Wasilla is a small town that has several parochial (Christian) schools but is definitely limited educationally.)

How does it happen that you neglect to mention McCain? He not only sends his kids to private schools but supports those schools heavily. This, from a man feeding from the public trough. Using he money we pay him! gasp! What both you and the writer seem to overlook is that a private school not only costs a whole heck of a lot more but one still continue to pay toward public school for others.

So the writer's outrage at some private-school children being allowed to use the public school bus system is misplaced.

But you still have not come up with documentation for the $100,000 per year grade school. That would be MUCH more impressive, don't ya think?


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Emma B
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 07:57 PM

The Rantings of a P.T.A. Mom

From Riginslinger's link

'So it is with huge grief-filled disappointment that I discovered that the Obamas send their children to the University of Chicago Laboratory School (by 5th grade, tuition equals $20,286 a year).
The school's Web site quotes all that ridiculous John Dewey nonsense about developing character while, of course, isolating your children from the poor.
A pox on them and, while we're at it, a pox on John Dewey! I'm sick to death of those inspirational Dewey quotes littering the Web sites of $20,000-plus-a-year private schools, all those gentle duo-tone-photographed murmurings about "building critical thinking and fostering democratic citizenship" in their cherished students, living large on their $20,000-a-year island.
Meanwhile, Joseph Biden, the Amtrak senator, standing up boldly for the right to be a Roman Catholic, appears to have sent all three children to the lovely looking Archmere Academy in Delaware. Archmere's Web site notes some public school districts allow Archmere students to use public school buses. Well, isn't that great — your tax dollars at work in the great state of Delaware because with $18,000 a year in tuition, they can't afford their own buses.

Then again, a spot of happy news for the Democrats: not only did John McCain's four children attend elite private schools in Arizona, but collective donations to their children's private schools between 2001 and 2006, totaled $500,000'


'How does it happen that you neglect to mention McCain?'

D'oh?


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 08:15 PM

Wake up??? How curious...

Yeah, the strongest PR that the Repubs have this year from keeping an exceptional man from ***perhaps*** being the Trojan Horse that is the only way that America can be saved from itself is to spread the "twiddle-dee-twiddlw-dum" story...

Excuse me, but I've heard it... Preached it for years... No matter how elequent it is laid out it is still the same old song... And this year the candidate who has most to gain from it is John McCain...

So, for you folks who want to rearrange the words but tell that same old story, just know that in doing so you, knowingly or unknowingly, are doing John McCain and his corporate sponsors work...

Tell ya' what... This "Twiddle-dee-Twiddle-dum" reminds me of every Southern Rock band playing "Free Bird"...

To me it ain't independent thought anymore... Not this time... Yeah, its been that way for the last 30 years but not this time...

But ya'll have fun rewriting it to sound more interesting... To me, it's a cop out so count me out this election... And this from a guy who last worked for Bobby Kennedy and the last Dem I voted for was Jimmy Carter...

But ya'll have fun and when in 10 years you look back at what could have been go check out yer weary faces in the mirror and think to yerselves, "Yeah, I really sounded cool back in '08.."

Know what I mean??? Probably not... All fucking peasants as far as I can see...

B~


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 08:21 PM

Well, I can't vote in your election, Bobert, but if I could, I'd vote for Obama. (regardless of my opinion about the Duopoly)


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 08:31 PM

I know that, LH...

Not too sure about a few of the other "classless and free" "Twiddle-dee-Twiddle-dum" peddlers who, unlike you, have not said that they would vote for Obama but just stay strapped like the horses in "Animal Farm" to the same old worn out story...

But I know your heart and I know that, like me, underneath it all you have hope... Not too sure about these others... Most sound as if they have just kicked life into neutal and thrown in the towell...

B~


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 08:43 PM

Well, yeah...maybe.

I always look at life on two levels, Bobert:

1. the ideal - what I wish for
2. the practical - what is actually possible right now

On the ideal level I am very pissed off at the Duopoly and the whole present ruling system in the USA, and I dream of a society where political parties have ceased to exist altogether, so that the public is not artificially divided into two (or more) lots of partisan arguers. I also dream of elections where all election funding to all candidates is equal and comes out of a public purse, and where the election campaign is relatively short (say 6 weeks).

On the practical level, right now in 2008 in the USA, I would vote for Obama.

That's the difference between ideal and practical.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 08:55 PM

Well, yeah, LH...

But think about it this way... There is one guy who is running for president who, inspite of the McCain PR machine trying to make out as yet another politican running the same old campiagn, until very recently took 6 weeks of daily pounding in the spirit of actaully being a "uniter"... "Unity" is the same as no parties... Obama has done everything concievable to take US beyond party...

This scares that carp outta the $y$tem becasue if this could occur then everything thats works to keep the rich rich would have to be redrawn...

I read that some Obama supporters are wringing their hands becasue Obama just doesn't have this appitite to "fight back"... To those folks I would just say that that is a good thing... It speaks volumes about his core message... I hate it that the Dem movers 'n shakers have pushed so hard and now he is "fighting back"... In a way, my thinking is that it would be better to plant a seed than to win an election... Oh sure, both would be nice but...

I just hope that he sticks to defense and holds off those who would have him do things which don't present the American people with a template for the future in terms of parties, or lack thereof...

B~


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 09:13 PM

The thing I like best about Obama, Bobert, is precisely what you have alluded to, his often stated desire to rise about divisiveness and to seek unity. It's very hard for someone to take that line and succeed with it in a system based on maintaining cutthroat divisions on every hand.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Amos
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 09:16 PM

He's doing a mighty hard job, playing the system against the system's own corrupt nature, and I wish him complete success at it.


A


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 09:23 PM

"But you still have not come up with documentation for the $100,000 per year grade school."

                      Yes, Ebbie, I seem to have gotten myself into a bad spot here. Originally I mentioned that I saw Michelle Obama talking on television, making the statement that she paid $10,000.00 a month for child care--I took that to be a nannie service. But when I looked for it on the web, I couldn't find any reference. Then it occurred to me that it must have been private school she was talking about, and I found some things on that, so I made the correction. Then, somebody jumped in--it's in this thread someplace--with tuition fees, that if added together for both students, would come into the ballpark of the original quoted amount.
                      At that point, you challenged my resources, so I looked again, and found figures that were somewhat short of the original estimate, but in the same order of magnitude, so I posted that.
                      After all of that, I went into the office this morning and told a lady at work what had happened. Immediately, she said, "No, the $10,000.00 a month was for child care. I saw her say it."
                      At that point we both looked and neither one of us could find the quote. I don't know if we were sharing the same dream, or if it just didn't get picked up by anybody in the media, or...
                      Subsequently, I feel like one of those people who claim to have been abducted by a flying saucer. We both think we saw it and heard it, but we can't find it. So, like O. J. Simpson, I'll keep looking for the real killer.
                      As far as not mentioning McCain, his name never came up in the discussion. It's all right with me if you want to include him and/or Sarah Palin. It was just that they were never a part of the original equation, the way I understood it.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: heric
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 10:07 PM

she reminds me of W in some ways:

Interviews show that Ms. Palin runs an administration that puts a premium on loyalty and secrecy. The governor and her top officials sometimes use personal e-mail accounts for state business; dozens of e-mail messages obtained by The New York Times show that her staff members studied whether that could allow them to circumvent subpoenas seeking public records.

Rick Steiner, a University of Alaska professor, sought the e-mail messages of state scientists who had examined the effect of global warming on polar bears. (Ms. Palin said the scientists had found no ill effects, and she has sued the federal government to block the listing of the bears as endangered.) An administration official told Mr. Steiner that his request would cost $468,784 to process.

When Mr. Steiner finally obtained the e-mail messages — through a federal records request — he discovered that state scientists had in fact agreed that the bears were in danger, records show.

"Their secrecy is off the charts," Mr. Steiner said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/politics/14palin.html?bl&ex=1221451200&en=46ea589c255511cb&ei=5087%0A


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 12:19 AM

RiginSimpson, zeroes ain't nothin' anyway, right? *g*

(I must question your math, though, in saying that the two children's tuition taken together is in the ballpark of $100,000. $40,000 leaves a little fundraising to go.)


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 12:26 AM

Rigin ... If any of you guys were watching the Democratic primary debates ... on one of the debates the candidates where aseked who sent their kids to public schools ... Obama admitted to sending his kids to the University of Chicago Lab private school, but the reason he gave (and a resonable one at that) was that the faculty members such as himself were not charged tuition.

All the mainstream candidates at that debate did not send their kids to public schools.

biLL


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Razr
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 03:22 AM

I am sick sore and tired of listening to such utter tripe vomited up here about the combination of McCain & Palin. They are two hard working patriotic Americans who will see us through the current economic downturn and bring peace to the middle east.

George Bush was one of our finest presidents and a little more honor and respect would not go amiss here.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 03:41 AM

Gee, Razr, for somebody who's posted here only twice, you sure get sick and tired quickly. One might think you're trying to pick a fight.

Can't say I agree with you about George Bush, but I have to agree that there IS a lot of "utter tripe vomited up here about the combination of McCain & Palin" - almost as much tripe as the talk shows vomit up about Obama. I think it's high time for an intelligent, logical, factual, unbiased discussion, don't you?

Do remember that you are a guest here, and are expected to conduct yourself in a noncombative manner.

-Joe Offer, Forum Moderator-


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Razr
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 04:42 AM

Dear Forum Moderator

Read all the above posts and tell me what it has achieved besides silly childlike insults about McCain & Palin.

I repeat I am sick,sore and tired reading tripe. So am I not allowed to visit the thread, not post and just read it ? must I post each time I visit ?


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 05:58 AM

The thread wasn't initiated for people who are so dumb they believe in our political figureheads. It presupposes a certain level of sophistication and intelligence.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 07:21 AM

Yo, Razr,

Your comments remind me of a Woody Allen line that goes domething like this: "Don't go to Sam's Grill... The food is terrible and the portions are small"...

I mean, here you are reading this stuff when you could be doing anything else??? Unless, of course, someone is there holding a gun to yer head making you not only read this stuff but to post to it???

B~


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Emma B
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 08:11 AM

According to today's Times on line -

'Xena, the warrior princess' :)

full article - The Sunday TimesSeptember 14, 2008


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 09:28 AM

"Obama admitted to sending his kids to the University of Chicago Lab private school, but the reason he gave (and a resonable one at that) was that the faculty members such as himself were not charged tuition."


                     And all I'm saying is, when the audit his taxes, the ought to make sure that he's paying income taxes on this perk.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Emma B
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 09:37 AM

and from Alamogordo, NM

- 'Mount St. Helens in heels' :)

Alamogordo Daily News 09/14/2008


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Alice
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 10:18 AM

Interesting comment on that Sunday Times link:

"Palin is just to good for them she has a vision of what she wants. She says what she means, she is in the Thatcher mould.
I wish we had someone like her in Britain.

Johnny Norfolk, Mileham Norfolk, England"


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: pdq
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 10:31 AM

Before Bill Clinton, no presidential candidate arrived at his "core beliefs" by reading the polls and adjusting his opinions to match.

Since 1992, this has become standard practice. The death of American statesmanship occurred when then the public accepetd Bill Clinton's style of non-leadership as being normal.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Emma B
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 10:53 AM

quoted from a comment to the Sunday Times

'Palin is just to good for them she has a vision of what she wants. She says what she means, she is in the Thatcher mould.
I wish we had someone like her in Britain.'

As was pointed out by one member who requested the closure of the recent critical thread

'many people **chose** to live by her values'


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 11:52 AM

One would think you would vote for her if you lived over here, Emma.

From the Alamagordo opinion piece: Her appeal is universal... maybe in the writer's neighbourhood, but certainly not across the nation.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Emma B
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 12:22 PM

No I would never vote for Sarah Palin as I never voted for Margaret Thatcher - both their views are anathema to me, although for different reasons.

By the same token I never voted either for the plausible orator Tony Blair who campaigned on vague slogans and pop songs like 'Things can only get better' and then sold out the values and hopes of the party members who had thrown all their support behind him.

What I dislike intensely Kat are the sort of demeaning, sexist personal insults that this politician,(whatever you think of her views) has been subjected to on this forum not to mention the constant repetition of debunked viral emails etc.

It's my belief that they give a very unwholesome impression of her detractors (and yes, someone did unapologetically dismiss her as the 'RNC's token c**t here!) and ultimately of the campaign they support.
I anticipate these tactics will backfire as other peple, not so blindly partisan, will share the same revulsion as me.

rasmussenreports.com

'Over half of U.S. voters (51%) think reporters are trying to hurt Sarah Palin with their news coverage, and 24% say those stories make them more likely to vote for Republican presidential candidate John McCain in November'

not just my opinion.......


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: pdq
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 12:31 PM

Yes, Emma B, that is not just one person's opinion. Most Americans are revolted by the neo-psychotic reaction to this reasonably normal lady, and will not vote for those who started it.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Emma B
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 12:46 PM

btw I think you will find, if you look back over the threads, that I was equally condemnatory of the despicable attempts to align Barack Obama with 'Muslim terrorism' etc.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 01:04 PM

well can you blame them trying to hurt her - she's weird. seriously weird.

a post sexual male's wet dream.

that's why Tootsie works as a piece of theatre. Everybody in the audience is going, why can't the people see that she is not what she claims to be? When is dustin Hoffman going to come unstuck? How CAN that man think of wanting to marry her?

I think the journalists are just doing their job before America waltzes up the aisle with 'god alone knows what, but certainly something that is not what the label on the box says it is.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Razr
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 02:39 PM

Above, are you on a substance ? Nothing you said there makes sense.

Have you been playing "White Rabbit" again ?

Again I ask can we stop posting tripe and insults. American WILL NOT be embracing the Democrat fairytale pie in the sky crap accompanied by Stevie Wonder songs. Sarah is a perfect Christian lady. Her values and morals are a breath of fresh air in today's sodden society.

I happen to think she is very attractive and I would love to slip her one.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Don Firth (computer, etc.)
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 03:05 PM

"Sarah is a perfect Christian lady. Her values and morals are a breath of fresh air in today's sodden society."

God forbid that people should assume that Sarah Palin's beliefs are representative of what all Christians believe. She most certainly does not reflect the beliefs of all Christians, only those in her particular somewhat off-the-wall fundamentalist sect (Assembly of God--Pentacostal, speaking in tongues, etc.). In fact, I know a number of good mainstream Christians (Episcopalian, Lutheran, Catholic, Methodist, Baptist), who are appalled by some of the things she says and the religious beliefs she has expressed.

And "a perfect Christian lady?" I think not. It has been solidly established that she has used her position as mayor of Wasilla and governor of Alaska to carry out a number of personal vendettas. And this is not information from blogs. It comes from several former associates, and she is, indeed, under investigation because of it.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 03:08 PM

Heh! This thread is a perfect example of what politics does to ordinary human beings. It's the Great Divider. It might even be termed the Great Destroyer.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 04:19 PM

Pretend this is the zoo, then read the sign:

Please don't feed the trolls!


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Gervase
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 05:00 PM

Amen, kat.
Remeber peeps, this is only the internet. Anyone can post anything - it doesn't make it right. Or even sane. And trolls love nothing more than getting a rise out of befuddled liberals with too much time on their hands. For them the end result, in terms of angst expended and sheer sweat in an attempt to be non-judgemental and oh-so-decent. is so much more satisfying that then abrupt and misspelled stream of filth that the average right-winger belches forth when trolled.
So piss off a troll and don't respond. Or get your own back and troll some redneck backwater. I find ripping the piss out of 'creation science' usually gets em foaming. Oo-er - Palin actually believes in that crap, doesn't she?


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 05:04 PM

editorial cartoons are often trollish, thats what makes them funny.

The trolls here are perfect parodies of themselves but only about half of them know it.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 05:57 PM

Most people thoroughly enjoy trolling...as long as they are the perpetrator of it, and not the recipient.

Then there are the really twisted ones. They enjoy it going either way.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 07:53 PM

From the thread list just now

What does Sarah Palin remind you of?         
BS: Mortimer country -North Herefordshire


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 04:44 AM

WORTH POSTING, AGAIN!!


From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 03:08 PM

Heh! This thread is a perfect example of what politics does to ordinary human beings. It's the Great Divider. It might even be termed the Great Destroyer.

WHO ARE WE TO JUDGE THEM, WHEN THEY HAVE US WALLOWING IN THEIR FILTH??? RISE HIGHER...Clean up our OWN filters, that obstruct information to be processed in our minds, without pre-conditioning and bias...get clear, see it how it is....and share the truth that binds us together. To that, the politicos are powerless!!


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: John J
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 12:01 PM

Although I'm in the U.K. where we're not exposed to quite as much of the presidential campaign as Americans, we do get our fill.

I'm not sure who she reminds me of - but she gives me the impression of being more blinkered than Margaret Thatcher and a lot more gobby. I find it very worrying that she is a potential leader of the 'free' world.

I wonder how she would cope with being interviewed by Jeremy Paxman or John Humphrys. It could be quite entertaining and very revealing. Those guys don't take prisoners!

JJ


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 02:14 PM

Little Hawk,
    While re-reading various posts, I re-read the one I just previously sent to you(or at least copied ans pasted....and in re-reading it, I saw that my response, may have been taken as an exhortation, and rebuttal. I assure you that it was meant as a supportive assertion, to whom ever may have ears...wink


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 02:48 PM

Yeah, I got that.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Don Firth (computer, etc.)
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 02:59 PM

"I find it very worrying that she is a potential leader of the 'free' world."

I have to agree with John J. This is not a bleedin' game, folks. There are some real issues at stake.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 03:21 PM

Just one word only.

EVITA !

(Don't cry for me America!)

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 09:50 PM

The good news is, she's only running for vice-president. On the other ticket, with about the same level of experience, Obama is actually running for president.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 10:28 PM

Riginslinger, you have to hold the record for the most posts making the same tired point.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Emma B
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 10:45 PM

Just how far are folks willing to go to smear Sarah Palin?
read on

Randi Rhodes seems determined to sink to new depths.

'She's the woman who shows up at the kid's birthday party and starts opining about everything from politics to lawn care. This is the woman that knows it all. Will shout you down, will get revenge on you. That's who she is.

She's friends with all the teenage boys. You have to say no when your kids say, 'can we sleep over at the Palin's? No! NO!' '

'Sarah Palin Likes To Sleep With Teenage Boys' - you tube

Mind you she seems 'even handed' ......

She made derogatory references to U.S. Senator and presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and former Congresswoman and Democratic Vice Presidential candidate Geraldine Ferraro, specifically calling both "Fucking Whores"


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 11:00 PM

"Riginslinger, you have to hold the record for the most posts making the same tired point."


                   It needs to be driven home!


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 11:29 PM

Ah ha!


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 09:37 AM

From: Emma B
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 10:45 PM

"She made derogatory references to U.S. Senator and presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and former Congresswoman and Democratic Vice Presidential candidate Geraldine Ferraro, specifically calling both "Fucking Whores"........So???...what's the argument or untruth there????

From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 10:28 PM
Riginslinger, you have to hold the record for the most posts making the same tired point. ....Hey Jack, You may hold the record for having to repeat things to, because of a certain denseness.......


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 10:15 AM

Funny, Stilly, very funny!


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Amos
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 10:22 AM

An Arctic blast of action has swept into the 2008 race, making thinking passé. We don't really need to hurt our brains studying the world; we just need the world to know we're capable of bringing a world of hurt to the world if the world continues to be hell-bent on misbehaving.

Two weeks after being thrown onto a national ticket, and moments after being speed-briefed by McCain foreign-policy advisers, our new Napoleon in bunny boots (not the Pamela Anderson kind, but the knock-offs of the U.S. Army Extreme Cold Weather Vapor Barrier Boots) is ready to face down the Russkies and start a land war over Georgia, and, holy cow, what business is it of ours if Israel attacks Iran?

The trigger-happy John McCain has indeed found a soul mate. Trigger squared. In Fairbanks on Thursday, at a deployment ceremony for her son who is going to Iraq, Governor Palin followed the lead of McCain and W. in fusing Osama bin Laden's diabolical work on 9/11 and the mission in Iraq. She told the departing troops, "You'll be there to defend the innocent from the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the deaths of thousands of Americans."

Asked by Charlie Gibson what insight into Russian actions her Alaskan proximity gave her, Sarah blithely replied: "They're our next-door neighbors. And you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska."
...
(Maureen Dowd, NYT)


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 10:47 AM

Rig, that was me, not Stilly


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 11:57 AM

The thing is, why the Barrage O' Blah-Blah's supporters, are so adamant, is because they are coasting on, and feeding their enthusiasm on mere hope, hope in his words. Hope that what he is 'saying' might give them more hope. Unfortunately, these people will wear themselves out, hoping on something based on just words, with absolutely no track record. 'Words'?..yes, 'words'. I used to believe in 'words'. Even by his own admission, from his 'memoirs' (his book), he said that after his 'community organizer days, he went back to Kenya, for a while, returned to Chicago, and found all his efforts were a failure!!! Read it yourself!...So, dear friends of O-bowel-ma, what is all the excitement about?? Free heath care, with a tax on it so high, that you'll need it, after working your ass off, just to pay for it??? I'd rather have a focus on cleaning up the insurance/medical corruption to make heath care more affordable to those who need it, wouldn't you?..instead of having the government, WITH ALL ITS KNOWN EFFICIENCY, running one more thing!!!!!(And you want to trust your health to a government run program?????)


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 12:16 PM

What the h***! I like Medicare.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 01:27 PM

"What the h***! I like Medicare.".........yeah, I guess it doesn't get any better than that, does it????


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Amos
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 01:35 PM

GfS:

Keep a civil tongue, and be not a shrew. Mister Obama has done nothing to merit your random acts of antagonism whether you like his policiey proposals or not.

IS it your assumption that the un-affordability of health care at present is attributable to waste and corruption, primarily? If so, what do you base this assessment on?

I suppose I coudl also ask what these has to do with Palin-drone the Magnificent Spear Carrier, but why waste mt breath?


A


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 02:15 PM

"Keep a civil tongue, and be not a shrew. Mister Obama has done nothing to merit your random acts of antagonism whether you like his policiey proposals or not.
"


Amos,

Perhaps you would like to be honest enough to admit you have failed in this yourself ( re Palin and McCain) and provide the slack you have demanded of us for yourself?


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 02:39 PM

Be fair Bruce, Amos's posts aren't full of silly name calling. They're pretty literate. Sanity Claus brings the tone of the place down - its like a fourteen year old has got hold of the computer.

OhBlahblah and Ohbowelma.

I still think the woman looks and sounds a bit strange. I wouldn't put her in charge of a whelk stall. Anyway - you'll only have yourselves to blame if the wicked witch of the north gets elected.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 02:41 PM

My point, GtS, if you fail to grasp it, is that Medicare is a socialized form of health care and it works quite well.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 02:43 PM

"the wicked witch of the north "

Boy, are YOU illiterate!

Glinda was the witch of the North, and a Good Witch.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Amos
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 02:48 PM

Nowhere near, Bruce. The quality of horseshit I put out is refined, free from extraneous inclusions, grain-fed and contentedly pastured. Hers is lumpy with exaggeration, green with bile, falls loosely on the ground in unpleasant disarray, and is accompanied by greate and unpleasing wyndes.


A


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 02:49 PM

OK, I blew it:

mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.


Baum's 1900 children's novel The Wonderful Wizard of Oz refers to Glinda as the Good Witch of the South. Later books call her a "sorceress" rather than a "witch".[1] Baum's writings make clear that he did not view witches as inherently wicked or in league with the Devil, so this change was probably meant[original research?] to signal that Glinda was even more powerful than a witch.

Another explanation may be that he decided to avoid the negative connotations of "witch"; in Queen Zixi of Ix, he had made Zixi a witch, for which she is shunned by fairies.[2] Again, at the end of The Marvelous Land of Oz, Glinda distinguishes between "respectable sorceresses" who do not perform shapeshifting magic because it is not honest, and "unscrupulous witches" such as Mombi who will do it; this is why Mombi, rather than Glinda, turns Tip back into the form of Ozma.[3]

Glinda is usually described as the most powerful magician in Oz. In The Patchwork Girl of Oz, neither Ozma nor the Wizard can break a spell, but later it is revealed that Glinda can do so.[4] In The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, the Soldier with the Green Whiskers describes Glinda as "the most powerful of all the Witches".

In the books, Glinda is depicted as a beautiful young woman with rich red hair and blue eyes, wearing a pure white dress. However, it is suggested that she is actually much older than her appearance would suggest, and uses magic to maintain a youthful exteriour (a trait which she shares with Zixi, the witch-queen of the Kingdom of Ix). This fact is first alluded to in The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, when the Soldier with the Green Whiskers mentions that Glinda "knows how to keep young in spite of the many years she has lived". In a later book, Glinda herself states that she has ruled the Quadling Country ever since she overthrew the Wicked Witch of the South during the period when Ozma's grandfather was king of Oz, a statement which provides further support for this theory.
......................................................

I was fooled by the movie version.


"In the original novel The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, the Good Witch of the North is an elderly sorceress from Gillikin Country who is summoned to Munchkin Country when Dorothy Gale's falling house kills the Wicked Witch of the East. She arrives at the site of the Wicked Witch's death with three Munckins, and alone of the party is brave enough to speak to Dorothy, who, having killed the Witch of the East, is believed to be a powerful sorceress. She welcomes Dorothy to the land of the Munchkins, points out the body of the dead Witch and then introduces herself as the Witch of the North. Having been told that all witches are evil, Dorothy is initially frightened of her, but she assures the girl that she is a good witch who is loved by her people. She also mentions that she is not as powerful as the Witch of the East had been, or she would have liberated the Munchkins from slavery herself. Using a magic slate formed from her hat, she advises Dorothy to travel to the Emerald City to seek the aid of The Wizard in returning to Kansas. She kisses Dorothy on the forehead, so as to protect her from harm on the journey, because "no one will dare injure a person who has been kissed by the Witch of the North". This statement is proven to be correct later in the book, when the sight of the shining mark left by the kiss prevents Dorothy from being harmed by the Winged Monkeys or the Wicked Witch of the West. The sight of this mark is also one of the factors which convinces the Wizard to admit Dorothy to his presence.

At the beginning of The Marvelous Land of Oz, it is revealed that the Good Witch of the North had banned the practice of magic by any other witch in Gilliken Country. In Baum's fifth Oz book, The Road to Oz, the Witch of the North is one of the many guests who attend Ozma's birthday party.

The name of the Good Witch of the North in Baum's own stage version of The Wizard of Oz is Locasta. However, in Ruth Plumly Thompson's Oz novel The Giant Horse of Oz, the Witch is named Tattypoo."

''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''


But I stand on the fact that the Witch of the North was a Good Witch.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 02:51 PM

"In the classic 1939 movie The Wizard of Oz, the Good Witch of the North is called Glinda, which is the name of the Good Witch of the South in the Oz novels. In the movie, the Good Witch of the North, portrayed by Billie Burke, is relatively young and beautiful, but also a bit scatterbrained, and in addition to meeting Dorothy on her arrival in Oz, she also supervises her progress on her journey to the Wizard and helps her find her way back to Kansas at the end of the story. The movie makes no reference to the Good Witch of the South.

The two witches were combined for the sake of the film to save time. This was often done in many movie versions - combining the elements of two popular book characters to shorten lengthy novels."


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 02:55 PM

It was a figure of speech, not a literary allusion.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 02:56 PM

Thanks for the information, bb. lol


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 04:11 PM

All I was saying is, that I have had both in my life, and 'Medi-care' was vastly inferior.....perhaps it was the best you've had...and you don't think it could be better.....even if the bill for implementing such a program would cause us(the public to be extremely over taxed, broke, and die or get sick trying to make ends meet...no matter how long and hard we worked!..Being as the government is so corrupt anyway, I don't think any 'efficiency' is going to be wasted on us!! As I pointed out, to clean up the medical PROFESSION' and the link to the Insurance INDUSTRY, would very adequately provide better health care for affordable prices. For instance, if you went to a private medical provider, and before your visit, tell them you are going to pay cash, and want to get a break, for it, you will find they usually knock off about 1/3 price off...did you know that??   Try it. Also the insurance INDUSTRY has a pricing schedule for certain services, ..way higher than really necessary( this is done to compete, with what medical firm accepts who's insurance program......thanks for you kind consideration..


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Alice
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 04:14 PM

GfS, when I didn't have health insurance, the only way I could get care was to pay cash, and they charged me a higher rate than if I had insurance. There was NO discount in my experience.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 04:18 PM

I don't suppose anyone here knows that the Wizard of Oz was a parody about the Economic Foibles of the early 20th century.
Much had to do with he gold standard. It was written as a childs book and you know the rest.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 04:18 PM

You are either a poor negotiator, or got a crappy doctor


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 04:20 PM

quick and dirty


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 07:57 PM

when you're ill, it isn't really the optimum time for being ready to negotiate. You just want treatment. ASAP. If possible in time to save your life.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 12:26 AM

"when you're ill, it isn't really the optimum time for being ready to negotiate. You just want treatment. ASAP. If possible in time to save your life."

Well, true, depending on how ill you are....but I have found that doctors, if you have a rapport with them, (not the receptionist, or a nurse), you can work something out.....if not, find one to whom you can, they're out there...besides, if you pay cash, it is now, and doesn't suck up the paperwork time, and time lag insurance companies pay the doctors at..which they(the doctors) claim is about 30%.

Besides that subject: Remember a little while back, I told you all, that the dollar was going to depreciate, just after the elections, no matter who won....well the AIG, Merrill Lynch, Leymann Bros., mess,and the 'Fed' bailing them out, well that's just the beginning...When the 'Fed' pumps 85 billion dollars into a private company, what happens when you just 'print up' more money???...it devalues the existing money...and more and more becomes federalized. Just what this idiot told you, in one of my 'drivels'(I think it was)...so....eat crow!

Your Loving Driveler,
Guest from Sanity


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 12:45 AM

From: Alice
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 04:14 PM

GfS, when I didn't have health insurance, the only way I could get care was to pay cash, and they charged me a higher rate than if I had insurance. There was NO discount in my experience

He must have seen you comin'! It cost them money and time, and have to wait longer for the insurance companies to fund him...etc etc(I have this on a different post, so read that one, so I don't have to explain it again....)


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 12:56 AM

"All I was saying is, that I have had both in my life, and 'Medi-care' was vastly inferior....."GtS

Sounds to me like you are referring to Medicaid. I have no experience with Medicaid.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 01:08 AM

From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 12:56 AM

"All I was saying is, that I have had both in my life, and 'Medi-care' was vastly inferior....."GtS

Sounds to me like you are referring to Medicaid. I have no experience with Medicaid.

Hmmm, Have to check.....but All I know, is that whatever swiched, I was treated far better, on the private.(btw, I was in one time under private insurance, from another party, and I was treated VERY thoroughly!!) Other times, the doc was perfectly easy to talk with.
P.S. weather still holding out up there?..or is it cooling off a bit?


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 07:08 AM

what you sayabout inflation and printing money - of course is not drivel.

however theres such thing as priming the pump. In England we had a leader in mrs. thatcher who wouldn't prime the pump - if she didn't like the cut of your jib - weren't her sort of people. there was money for any number of daft right wing 'initiatives' - but anybody with dirty fingernails was personna non grata.

it cost us nearly all our manufacturing and heavy industry. In the short term the social problems that came in its wake were devastating- we had never had beggars on the street before, or a major hard drugs problem, or really much in the way of organised crime before that.

Now we've got the lot. Plus the chickens are starting to come home to roost. So far we have been lucky. People come to England and see it is a nice place to live. And the value of our houses has provided a lot of collateral that has kept the country afloat - albeit in debt.

We are about to discover the penalty for stopping producing items of worth to our fellow inhabitants of the globe.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: WyoWoman
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 07:40 AM

The mean cheerleaders who run every high school in the nation.

--WW


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 08:33 AM

"In England we had a leader in mrs. thatcher who wouldn't prime the pump..."

                   Yes, we had a buffoon named Ronald Reagan at the same time. It was a sad period for honest people.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 09:33 AM

Sarah had a 10 point swing downwards in her favor/disfavor polls this week.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Amos
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 09:40 AM

R. D. Levno, a retired school principal, flew in from Fairbanks. "She's a child, inexperienced and simplistic," she said of Sarah. "It's taking us back to junior high school. She's one of the popular girls, but one of the mean girls. She is seductive, but she is invented."

(From Maureen Dowd's column today)


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 01:07 PM

From: weelittledrummer
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 07:08 AM
what you sayabout inflation and printing money - of course is not drivel.
however theres such thing as priming the pump.

I guess the problem is, there's more water priming the pump, than the pump is pumping.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Alice
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 02:34 PM

I put this on the McCain choice thread, but it looks like no one is reading that one any more.

For her former mentor who got her started in Wasilla politics, Palin was not what he and the other Republicans thought she would be.
Here is what he had to say about her irresponsible spending as mayor:

By David Talbot

Sep. 17, 2008 | Sarah Palin has been touting herself as fiscal watchdog throughout her political career. But Palin's tenure as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, was characterized by waste, cronyism and incompetence, according to government officials in the Matanuska Valley, where she began her fairy-tale political rise.

"Executive abilities? She doesn't have any," said former Wasilla City Council member Nick Carney, who selected and groomed Palin for her first political race in 1992 and served with her after her election to the City Council.

Four years later, the ambitious Palin won the Wasilla mayor's office -- after scorching the "tax and spend mentality" of her incumbent opponent. But Carney, Palin's estranged former mentor, and others in city hall were astounded when they found out about a lavish expenditure of Palin's own after her 1996 election. According to Carney, the newly elected mayor spent more than $50,000 in city funds to redecorate her office, without the council's authorization.

"I thought it was an outrageous expense, especially for someone who had run as a budget cutter," said Carney. "It was also illegal, because Sarah had not received the council's approval."

According to Carney, Palin's office makeover included flocked, red wallpaper. "It looked like a bordello."

Although Carney says he no longer has documentation of the expenditures, in his recollection Palin paid for the office face-lift with money from a city highway fund that was used to plow snow, grade roads and fill potholes -- essential municipal services, particularly in weather-battered Alaska.

Carney confronted Mayor Palin at a City Council hearing, and was shocked by her response.

"I braced her about it," he said. "I told her it was against the law to make such a large expenditure without the council taking a vote. She said, 'I'm the mayor, I can do whatever I want until the courts tell me I can't.'"

"I'll never forget it -- it's one of the few times in my life I've been speechless," Carney added. "It would have been easier for her to finesse it. She had the votes on the council by then, she controlled it. But she just pushed forward. That's Sarah. She just has no respect for rules and regulations."

the rest of the article can be read HERE
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/17/palin_mayor/print.html


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 02:49 PM

The idea that one can afford medical care if one learns how to negotiate is a fiction. It's possible that one might be able to afford a visit to their doctor's office if they negotiate with him or her, but hospital stays and most medical procedures and treatments are out reach for anyone who isn't fairly well off.

And people who don't have health insurance are forgoing preventative medical care because they can't afford it. They can't afford to treat their high blood pressure and their diabetes, either, because of the cost of the prescriptions and supplies. Pharmacies don't negotiate prices.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 02:59 PM

One can afford health care if one gets a job with government. Sarah Palin realized that and is applying for the job.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 03:03 PM

I guess that makes Palin a socialist.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Don Firth (computer, etc.)
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 03:32 PM

Comparing private medical insurance with Medicaid or Medicare within the same system doesn't tell you much. Whether you pay several thousand dollars a year in premiums or are in an economic bracket that qualifies you for Medicaid or Medicare, you should get comparable medical care. The best medical care the system has to offer in either case.

It would be much more revealing to compare the cost to the individual in premiums in the American system with the cost in taxes paid by the individual in, say, France, Denmark, Norway, or Sweden. And then compare the quality of health care.

In terms of health statistics, we are way to hell and gone behind most other industrialized countries in the world, where the individual gets better health care at much lower cost. Hell, we're even behind Thailand!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 04:12 PM

"Whether you pay several thousand dollars a year in premiums or are in an economic bracket that qualifies you for Medicaid or Medicare, you should get comparable medical care." Don Firth

Don, I'm sure this is only unfortunate phrasing, that you are aware that Medicare goes to everyone including billionaires.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Don Firth (I get MY computer back this week)
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 04:59 PM

True indeed, Ebbie. I should not have included Medicare in my comment about economic bracket. Every American citizen qualifies for it when they reach a certain age. The ravages of writing too fast. . . .

I am well above that "certain age," and although I have the benefit of my wife's health insurance at work, I am sometimes able to use my Medicare coverage as a "secondary." My wife's insurance, as much as they deduct from her paycheck, covers only a percentage of medical bills, and some things it doesn't cover at all.

In the countries I mentioned above, I wouldn't have to be concerned about what's covered or who doesn't want to pay for what.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 05:12 PM

Good post, Don. I personally got lowered by paying cash. Still prices can vary from Doctor to Doctor, and most I've dealt with, will go lower for cash. Also, I know that other countries health care is now superior. I believe it is Taiwan, that is considered the best(I guess from what perspective you're looking through, but I hear it's the best)

As for the Sarah posts...,remember, a crush of investigative reporters went up there to dig up anything and everything they could. It will all come out in the wash....hopefully whatever comes out, is based solely on 'historical' fact, and not spun one way or the other, to play on anyone's political agenda.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 05:51 AM

Gratuitous refresh


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 07:15 AM

"I guess that makes Palin a socialist."


                      And it makes her smart!


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: CarolC
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 07:38 AM

My sister likes Palin a lot. She says she doesn't like Obama because he's too socialist. Boy, is she going to be in for a surprise.

(I suspect Palin is one of the many people who call themselves "conservative" who are phobic about anything that sounds the slightest bit socialist, but who are perfectly happy to adopt socialist practices when it's either politically expedient or financially profitable for them to do so. And for this reason, her brand of socialism won't be of the sort that helps the people who really need it, like those who need universal health care, but only her cronies and those who are already fat from feeding at the public trough.)


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 04:35 PM

For what its worth....Conservatives believe Bush has moved to far to the left, as well. ....Still no discussion about the borders....


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 05:09 PM

Yeah, you'd think they'd be really excited about illegals working here now, and sending money out of the country.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Amos
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 07:50 PM

Yeah, them derned ileee-gulls are prolly what caused the banks fallin' apart. Damn commyewnists.


A


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 09:56 PM

How could they be Communists if their addicted to Roman Catholicism?


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Amos
Date: 19 Sep 08 - 01:25 AM

They must be Catholick Communists, then, like them Eytalians we read about.


A


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Sep 08 - 02:50 AM

'From: weelittledrummer
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 07:08 AM
what you sayabout inflation and printing money - of course is not drivel.
however theres such thing as priming the pump.

I guess the problem is, there's more water priming the pump, than the pump is pumping.'

Yep....and theres the monetarist/thatcherite alternative, you blow the pump up, let the drawer of water become an urban casualty of unemployment and hard drugs and daytime television - and import cheap water from China .....

as a long term policy, I think it leaves a lot to be desired.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Sep 08 - 02:52 AM

Amos, it looks like you're making as much sense as the politicos are, trying to twist history, to suit their 'facts'. Keep it up...one of the parties will hire you!


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Amos
Date: 19 Sep 08 - 10:06 AM

Geeze, GfS, turn your sense of humotr back on, wouldja?? Damn pinko faggot commie hippies, I swear, man, they're gonna ruin the world.
IF they'da had Lill League they woulda turned out better Murkins, I just know it.


A


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Sep 08 - 02:43 AM

From: Amos
Date: 19 Sep 08 - 10:06 AM

Geeze, GfS, turn your sense of humotr back on, wouldja?? Damn pinko faggot commie hippies, I swear, man, they're gonna ruin the world.
IF they'da had Lill League they woulda turned out better Murkins, I just know it.

Huh????


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Sep 08 - 10:22 AM

And fooball, Amos. Don't forget fooball. My neffyew played fooball in grade skool and he turned out grate.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 20 Sep 08 - 12:31 PM

In what regard Charlie?

She became governor because the pastor of her church laid hands on her. Thomas Muphee, the Wasilla Pastor chased after an old lady in Kenya because she was a "witch" and had
according to him caused auto accidents there.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Alice
Date: 20 Sep 08 - 12:55 PM

Here's a little something about Sarah Palin's pastor, who goes to Africa in order to fight witches:

<<"As I was mayor and Pastor Muthee was here and he was praying over me, and you know how he speaks and he's so bold. And he was praying 'Lord make a way, Lord make a way,'" Palin remarked.

"And I'm thinking, this guy's really bold, he doesn't even know what I'm going to do, he doesn't know what my plans are," she continued. "And he's praying not 'oh Lord if it be your will may she become governor,' no, he just prayed for it. He said, 'Lord make a way and let her do this next step. And that's exactly what happened.'"

"So, again, very very powerful, coming from this church," she added.

In 1988, Pastor Muthee and his wife traveled to Kenya after being "called by God." Setting up shop in the basement of a grocery store, they claim to have brought 200 people "to God" and away from the town's "spiritual oppression."

The source of the oppression? Witchcraft, Muthee says. When researching the community, they found that a woman named "Mama Jane" ran a divination clinic that drew a large following in the town.

"We prayed, we fasted, the Lord showed us a spirit of witchcraft resting over the place," Pastor Muthee said.

...

"According to accounts of the witchhunt circulated on evangelical websites such as Prayer Links Ministries, after Pastor Muthee declared Mama Jane a witch, the townspeople became suspicious and began to turn on her, demanding that she be stoned," the London Times noted Tuesday. "Public outrage eventually led the police to raid her home, where they fired gunshots, killing a pet python which they believed to be a demon.">>

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Palin_credits_electoral_success_to_witchhunter_0917.html


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Alice
Date: 20 Sep 08 - 12:59 PM

also from that link:

"Palin's speech accompanied the Wasilla Assembly of God's Masters' Commission, which the church's pastor said will allow Alaska to become a refuge for American evangelicals during the coming "end of days" -- or Armageddon."


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Alice
Date: 20 Sep 08 - 01:05 PM

From an article in Christian Science Monitor,

headline
Targeting cities with 'spiritual mapping,' prayer

Can the 'spiritual DNA' of a community be altered?" That's the question posed in a Christian video called "Transformations."

Kenyan pastor Thomas Muthee is convinced that it can be.
read the rest of the article


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Amos
Date: 20 Sep 08 - 01:06 PM

Ya know, compared to Obama's trials by Pastor association, this is really ridiculous!! I'd rather have "America's chickens have come home to roost" over witch-hunting and religious king-making any day of the year.


A


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Pete Sumner
Date: 20 Sep 08 - 01:24 PM

Oh joy......haven't laughed so much in years...thank you....

My take on it....
A composite of....
Margaret Thatcher and John Cleese or Graham Chapman in drag...but with less brains....


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Alice
Date: 20 Sep 08 - 01:25 PM

Some truth checking on Governor Palin.

Watch to the end.
Sunday Show Roundup


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: BK Lick
Date: 20 Sep 08 - 03:56 PM

Palin-Cheney morphing


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 02:47 PM

A loud-mouth Bush in drag or a woman suffering from an extreme case of evangelitus.

The Queen of Pork on a Bridge to Nowhere.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 12:06 AM

You all fell for the bait!! Let's ask the important questions from these candidates..not this shit!..how about the borders?..How about lowering America's standard of living to match that of Mexico and Canada..so we can be one big fat 'happy' family?..how about all those jobs Americans aren't willing to do?..You know the bullshit excuse they've been handing us for the illegal aliens?? How about the illegal Fed, printing worthless money to bail out the very scoundrels who illegally defrauded the American public?,,How about something of real substance, instead of the media driver distractions???? How about what color Britney Spears underwear?...if you want to spend your time on this crap???


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 01:11 PM

Palin is a symbol for the misguided Religulous Right. It's not about issues. It's about personality distractions. The problem is with the American public, this works.

They can wrap their brains around Bristol but not foreign policy, derivatives, bail-outs
or any other issues. To deny this is to court more disaster.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Amos
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 04:52 PM

IN an amusing coincidence, this thread appeared right above the one named "Post Turtle"/

A good answer--you know he don't belong up there, you can't imagine how he got there, and you know he has no idea what to do while he's up there.


A


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 05:27 PM

Look sanity - you're going to vote for a party whose vice presidential candidate gives every appearance of being barking mad.

We have established over many posts that this doesn't bother you one tiny bit.

The rest of the world - not just Americans - have every reason to voice their concern. We will obviously not persuade you. We understand - there are people like you in every country - my party right or wrong. You are entitled to your view.

We are entitled to our growing sense of something terrible about to unfold. We are entitled to discuss our feelings and thoughts.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 06:37 PM

". . . you can't imagine how he got there. . . ." except that you know it couldn't have got there without help . . . and the kindest think you can do is to help it get down.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 08:12 PM

"What does Sarah Palin remind you of?"


                   Intelligence, integrity, and brilliance!


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 08:30 PM

She just oozes Intelligence, integrity, and brilliance

Her tone of voice sounds like "Tommy just pinched me, and you need to punish him NOW! whine ..."


She looks like a tv commercial housewife dressed up and using the Swiffer Duster.

,,,of an actor for one of those dating services.

But most of all she rminds me of a sit-com next door mom who has a job at the Mall.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 09:14 PM

She's being deceptive, so she can sneak up on the Democrats.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 09:16 PM

I was reeling in spiritual delight so much....I forgot to sign in......

From: weelittledrummer
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 05:27 PM

Look sanity - you're going to vote for a party whose vice presidential candidate gives every appearance of being barking mad.

We have established over many posts that this doesn't bother you one tiny bit.

A spiritual word.......
It doesn't bother me, at all, about either one...they're both full of shit!..You aren't too perceptive, yourself! I don't get where you think, that I think, Sarah Palin, is the next Messiah, after Obama.....
You'd know this too, if you'd go outside and take a big breath, and the revelation might bonk you on the head....choirs in heaven would sing a celestial song, in the heavens, and rays of light streaking through the silver lined clouds..and your inner voice would declare, to your whole being..." My Dearest child of God, there IS life outside the computer!'


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 10:06 PM

All the while knowing, of course, that a child of god would simple be a figment of the computer operator's imagination.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Amos
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 10:16 PM

Mayhap a slightly less reliable life-form..


A


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 12:12 AM

From: Amos
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 10:16 PM

Mayhap a slightly less reliable life-form..

..and what is that??...Obama?, McCain? Weelittledrummer?, God?.The computer? you? Palin? Biden?...or all of the above??...or, of course, none of the above??


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 06:20 AM

Bill Clinton says Dems shouldn't attack Palin
Posted: 10:36 PM ET

From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney


Bill Clinton said Dems shouldn't attack Palin.
(CNN) — Bill Clinton said Monday the Democratic ticket should steer clear of launching personal attacks on Sarah Palin over her relatively thin resume, and instead acknowledge she was a "good choice" for the No. 2 spot on the GOP ticket.

"Why say, ever, anything bad about a person? Why don't we like them and celebrate them and be happy for her elevation to the ticket? And just say that she was a good choice for him and we disagree with them?" said Clinton, who faced repeated charges during the primary season he was overly negative toward Obama on the campaign trail.

Clinton's comments appear to echo advice Karl Rove gave to Barack Obama in his regular Wall Street Journal column last week, when the former Bush strategist noted attacking the VP candidate has rarely proven to be an effective strategy.

In one of the former president's few extended comments to date on Palin's surprise VP candidacy, Clinton also told reporters in New York Monday he knows why the Alaska governor is attracting massive crowds on the campaign trail.

"I come from Arkansas, I get why she's hot out there," Clinton told reporters in New York, according to the Associated Press. "Why she's doing well."

"People look at her, and they say, 'All those kids. Something that happens in everybody's family I'm glad she loves her daughter and she's not ashamed of her. Glad that girl's going around with her boyfriend. Glad they're going to get married,'" he said.

Referencing Palin's 5-month old child who has Down Syndrome, Clinton also said voters will think, "I like that little Down syndrome kid — one of them lives down the street, they're wonderful children."

Earlier Monday, Clinton suggested his wife, Sen. Hillary Clinton, would have been a better political choice for the Democratic VP spot than Joe Biden.

"She would have been the best politically, at least in the short run, because of her enormous support of the country," he said on the daytime talk show The View.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: CarolC
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 06:26 AM

He said we shouldn't make personal attacks (and I agree with that). Attacking her record, on the other hand, is appropriate and necessary.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 06:39 AM

"we shouldn't make personal attacks"


Like this entire thread???


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: CarolC
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 06:45 AM

Those of us who have posted to this thread are not interchangeable. We are actually separate individuals. I have said that I agree with Clinton about not making personal attacks on Palin, and I have not made any personal attacks on her. Why someone would want to hold me responsible for what others in the thread have said and/or done is a mystery to me, unless, rather than seeing us as human beings, that person sees us as some sort of Borg entity or something.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 06:48 AM

I think you take it as read that what you see is never what you get with politicians, Sanity. Obama looks pretty normal to me - as does McCain. What we are talking about here is 'weird' - unfathomable!

After she'd pissed off everybody at every level as Education Minister - I don't think anyone (particularly in her own party) had Margaret Thatcher pegged as a bit of a genius. Albeit crazy as an owl.

However, unless you were completely unobservant of human nature - you did realise that she was a thoroughly nauseating bitch and that you were in for some unpleasant surprises when she got to be PM.


We had a lot of union leaders, people in every party etc., and every part of industry and culture that totally underestimated her, and she had their scalps dangling from her belt very soon.

The worse thing you can do with 'weird' is underestimate it, think it doesn't matter, can't hurt you. It can.


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 08:37 AM

You are right, the mean streak they brag about, like a loveable pit bull, goes all the way to the bone. The mean streak is the source of all their power, intimidation and fear.

Clinton's advice is to not attack the dog but let it show all its inate behavior on its own. Give a dog enough leash and...


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Emma B
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 08:41 AM

better watch it wld - last thread that said anything nasty about the Blessed Maggie got shut down by the rose tinted glasses cat chapter :)


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 10:34 PM

The what?


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Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Sep 08 - 05:54 PM

They've lost making sense!! ..and 'wee'littledrummer..you must be very 'wee'


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