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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Uncle Phil
Date: 30 Aug 08 - 04:45 PM

Put the coffee pot on and ice down some beer, we'll be there as quick as we can.
- Phil


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 11:16 AM

Phil, you got it. See ya soon!

Lin


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: GUEST,Al no cookie
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 09:09 PM

The official festival site reports flooding. They request nobody show up this weekend. Forecast for later in the week is sunny.
Al


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 09:17 PM

Friday, 12 September, 2008

(Thursday was Land Rush, and we all proceeded to our campsites and "pitched tents and circled the wagons" - in an all-day rain/drizzle/rain/drizzle/rain.)

Vague rumors beginning in early morning hours following approximately 5.2 inches of rain overnight indicated that some parts of the campground notoriously subject to flooding were "being moved." Some people were quoting "radio and TV reports" that a crest on the Walnut River at about 18 feet (flood stage is 18 feet) was predicted by Friday afternoon.

The "official" WVA radio station, 105.7 FM, continued to broadcast the information than only selected areas were to be evacuated, but began adding information(?) on "re-assembly areas" people could go to.

By about noon, unofficial rumors were that the USGS hydrological unit had predicted a crest at ~34 feet for the Walnut river at Winfield on Saturday. A few hours later the radio began confirming the USGS estimate, and suggested "some people may need to move."

An official US Meteorological report repeated by the radio station indicated an expected crest on Friday at about 18 feet, to be followed on Saturday by another crest at 34.2 feet.

An "apparently official" announcement by the radio station early in the afternoon stated that the park was ordered closed, and that evacuation by EVERYONE, by midnight, was mandatory.

About the only sign of actual "preparedness" was the sudden appearance of a number of very large tractors who worked their way fairly methodially from low points up to higher ground, extracting rigs that would otherwise be lost in the mud. Utility crews also appeared and proceeded with the "normal" elevation of all the electrical outlet boxes to their "off-season" height (15 or 20 feet above ground level?).

At least five "re-assembly" locations were given by the radio station, but with only vague directions regarding their locations. No information was ever provided suggesting where people from given park locations should reassemble. We were informed that "instructions would be given" at the main entrance as we left the park, however police directing traffic would NOT PERMIT US TO GO TO THE MAIN ENTRANCE. (Academic comment, as at least one who evaded the police and made it to the main entrance was told there were no instructions available. One other, who claims to have "argued vigorously" was finally given a sheet with a bad map on it but with no other information.)

In the absence of useful information, a small group from our camp met at the Walmart parking lot (after a multi-mile detour at the direction of police and sheriff dept officers). This was one of the "re-assembly" locations listed. After some discussion, we all left with a variety of destinations.

The more rational of us seemed inclined to return home (mostly to Wichita - ~50 miles from the park) and await further information.

With the exception of confirmation via the USGS hydro website that the river was at 18.1 feet at 19:00 (7:00 pm Central US Time Zone) no further information has been accessible (to me).

The "official statement" from the WVA website is that the "Festival will proceed as scheduled," but there is as yet no information on when and how people will be permitted to return to the campground (if at all).

A possibly valid rumor is that the USGS "projection" was that the river will return to "at or below flood stage" by "sometime Monday." It is also projected that hurricane Ivan will produce copious rain in the area during the next week or so.

John


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: GUEST,Al no cookie
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 10:16 PM

http://www.winfieldcourier.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=26042


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 11:54 PM

Yep, guest Al - I saw the Courier article, and it describes just the kind of info we needed:

"Stone said depending on where campers are located, they will be diverted to one of five locations."

The problem was that that's NOT WHAT HAPPENED.

There were several places "listed" as gathering spots, beginning at first with two, then going to five, then with three omitted, then with one added back:

The city lake is booked months in advance for this festival by people who choose to camp offsite - according to WVA prior information, so it might not be a good spot to go to if it's already full.

The county lake is also booked months in advance by those who choose to camp there while attending the festival, and info said there was a fishing tournament also booked for this weekend, so all the existing camp sites were already full.

Only one of these two lakes was listed, but there was considerable confusion so people went to both. Early arrivals at both lakes phoned back reports of "seas of mud" with no stable sites, no power, and no water. The weather forecast includes up to 5 or 6 inches of additional rain in the next day or two.

The Walmart parking lot (the FIRST SITE GIVEN) lacks both water and electrical hookups. Some big campers carry a lot of water and have generators, but those of us in smaller units have very limited "carry with" supplies of water, and some of us REQUIRE electrical power for medical reasons. It's also incredibly difficult, and not approved practice, to drive tent stakes in an asphalt parking lot.

The "auction barn" location is unknown to most people, and the location was only vaguely described, with NO INFORMATION on what facilities were available there.

Nobody was told where or how to assemble to be ready to go back to the fairgrounds. They were just told to get out, with vague suggestions of some places they might go. There was no indication of when (if) camping might resume, so going to a "remote" campsite with uncertain facilities is not an inviting prospect, especially given the absence of any estimate of how long you might be there.

Instructions from the radio on how to get out were countermanded by police and sheriff deputies directing traffic, so
I wouldn't be surprised if some people are still wandering around on back roads in unfamiliar territory. The roads that the "official" radio told us to take were blocked by police.

Being FM, and essentially line-of-sight reception, the "official" station can't be received by most people even in the places it was suggested we go. A shortest-distance tour of the sites listed, to see if one was "habitable" would appear to be about a 50 mile trip.

After spending three weeks sitting there just to get a space and with no indication that it will be possible to return, or even any indication of whether "there's a plan" it's a little confusing.

John


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Uncle Phil
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 08:43 AM

John -
Howdy from Winfield where it is raining hard at 6:30 local time on Saturday morning. From what we could see last night about 11 the Walnut Grove was completely flooded and the water was approaching the barns. They had all the doors open so the water could flow through. We're warm and dry at the rel's farm out in Wilmot.

We rolled in from Dallas around supper time yesterday. We've spent the last week and a half trying to reason with hurricane season. Family in Baton Rouge is still without electric, and we evacuated my 92 year old mom to my sister's home in Dallas. She was planning to return to Baton Rouge yesterday, but only managed to fly from Dallas to Dallas when to BR aerodrome closed because weather while she was in the air. Dallas is more-or-less in the path of Hurricane Ike so it should be an interesting few days there. I'm guessing that Houston is already a mess.

The first rain we saw yesterday was in Ark City while crossing the Arkansas River which looked to be a flood stage. We came into Winfield on Hwy 77, saw all the campers in the Walmart parking lot, and figured that something was going on. We met the relatives at Greenbush Merchantile and got the story. Drove past the fairgrounds before heading to the farm to unload after supper. They were still tractoring out a few caravans but it was mostly empty. The lower parts of the Walnut Grove were already flooded.

We unloaded, and then Michelle's cousin and I went off to search the refugee camps to see if we could find you. There was still some room, but conditions varied. The Walmart parking lot was dry , but no water or electric. The livestock barn is a sea of mud. The campgrounds on the Wilmont side of the lake are pretty muddy, and the roads on that side are a muddy disaster. I was glad we drove up in my Jeep instead of Michelle's van. Most of the caravans seem to have electric for the moment, don't know about water. The Winfield side of the lake is better, but still pretty muddy.

We ran into Bill and Deana on that side. They went to the Walmart parking lot earlier, then moved out to the lake to get electric and water. Folks out there got the margarita machine working and we got a pretty good jam session going before the rains came again.
Everyone seemed content to just wait and see what is going to happen about the festival. The locals seem to think the water will go down quickly when the rains stop and that there's a good chance that the festival will happen next weekend. Hope that's not just wishful thinking. We'll keep you posted if I can get messages out over this chancy, dialup connection.
- Phil


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Sorcha
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 09:11 AM

I've seen the Walnut within a foot of the top of the dike/levee on West 14th Street. I'll leave it to your imagination just how much of the Fairgrounds was under water then.

This happens every few years, it has just never happened DURING the Festival before.

If someone is TRULY desperate, contact me by PM. I have relatives there who MIGHT be induced to open their homes, or provide camper space with water and electric.


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: JedMarum
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 11:23 AM

It only looks like more weather headed your way tonight. I hope y'all can stay dry and free of mud! The good news is, it ought to clear over the next few days.


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 11:42 AM

Hi y'all--

Uncle Phil, glad you and Michelle made it all right and had a safe trip. Not such a great welcome to the Festival, though, huh? Glad you guys have shelter and can stay warm and dry.

Sorcha, I think all the townspeople have probably barricaded their doors and windows to keep out the riff-raff, as no one was allowed even to exit 14th street since they "didn't want the traffic through town." So instead the cops routed us all the way out to 33rd, then to Hwy. 77, so we could drive ALL the way down the main drag to get out south...

Jed, as one camper I spoke with told me, "I've been wet and muddy for three days now." Poor guy looked it, too. Hope Ike leaves us out of its left-overs!

Watching NOAA and the WVF web site closely, and hoping for the best,

Lin and John


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Sorcha
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 01:57 PM

Well, Lin, yes, sadly that is probably true....has always been that way. And what a HORRIBLE route to have to take! Since I lived in the 300 block of W. 14th, I'd have said, "**** YOU, buddy, I'm going HOME!" LOL.


I'm just a little ray of sunshine today, aren't I?

On a serious note, tho, the Fairgrounds DOES dry out pretty fast once the water recedes. If you know of any place to get wheat straw, get it NOW! The price is just about to go UP. It's great for filling in mud holes and stuff.


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 05:05 PM

USGS Hydrological Data for Winfield KS gives apparently accurate information on the measured depth of the Walnut River at Winfield, updated about twice daily. At the present time (09-13-2008 15:30) the river depth is shown as 27.20 feet. This site gives good information on current conditions, but makes no predictions.

US Weather Service for Winfield KS shows the same measured information at "fuzzy" resolution, up to the dotted vertical "current time" line, with a predicted extrapolation for the next few days. The "actual value" is updated more frequently than the "prediction" so there frequently is some mismatch – a break at the current time – between actual and predicted. They erase the "predictions before now" information so you won't notice how accurately(?) they predicted what has happened in the recent past. Since this site is maintained by the Weather Service office in Wichita (a fairly big city) where they appear to have only a vague notion of where Winfield (a tiny town) actually is, and Winfield is only one of many sites reported by this office, the "predictions" have about the same accuracy as the local TV weather reports for "surrounding areas."

A useful bit of information at this site is the section on "Flood Impacts" a little way down the page, where the "depths" are translated into what areas water will invade.

At the time of our expulsion from the park, it was reported that a crest at 34.2 feet was being predicted, about 4 feet above the level that probably would close US 77 north of Winfield – the only way many people know of for getting in and out of town.

When we arrived back at Wichita where I could access the site, the prediction was still for a crest of 34.2 feet, but the actual current value was about 4 feet below the value predicted for that time, and appeared to be "leveling off." The predicted maximum was dropped to 29.9 feet, but the last current value then was almost 2 feet above what was predicted, and rising fairly rapidly. The latest prediction has changed three times while I've been previewing this post, from 29.4 to 31 plus, and is now 31.6 ft (if I post quickly), close to crossing US 77 highway north of Winfield.

The earlier prediction was that water would recede to "flood stage" (18 feet) by early Monday morning. The current prediction indicates late Monday before that depth is obtained. It will be necessary for the river to fall below "action level" (16 feet – now predicted for Tuesday afternoon) before any natural drainage (including seepage) of most affected park areas can occur, and even with efficient pumping out of low spots some "drying" time – probably one or two days under good conditions – will be needed before "wheels" of any kind can be permitted in most of the camping areas at the park.

Those who found adequate alternate camping spots quite probably should expect to remain there for the duration of the festival. IF THEY HAVE TRANSPORTATION that permits it, "commuting" to the festival may be an option; but several people we know who were "going to the lake" (either one) had "hitched in" and had no transport of their own. I suspect most in that circumstance will simply hold "alternative festivals" in the camps where they've settled, for the most part – assuming a sufficient "picker density" to keep the jam sessions going.

While "commuting" from Wichita would involve only about 100 miles per day, neither Lin nor I are able to walk the distances required to get from day parking to any worthwhile centers of activity, or to remain "on our feet" for extended times. The nutritional qualities of vendor food at the festival are also mostly incompatible with recommendations by our medical advisors, so personal food preparation facilities are needed.

We are awaiting further information, but prospects are not good.

John


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Uncle Phil
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 05:12 PM

4:00 PM Rain slacking off. The river was not in the buildings at lunch time, but I don't know if it has crested yet. Cold front tomorrow is supposed to push the rain off to the east.

No point in heading back south until things improve here because of the remnants of hurricane Ike, so spent a productive afternoon coloring with cousin's great grand-daughter. More family stuff tonight including a birthday party.
- Phil


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Art Thieme
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 12:47 AM

I used to enjoy either coming or going from Winfield on a 2-lane road----#16 I think it was; it ran parallel to Hwy 77---along the Chisholm Trail. I know it went through Wellington where Art & Leota Coats were living---and it swung left at one point to pass the Chisholm Trail Drive-In Theater.. The late Art Coats ran the festival---along with Bob Redford in those days. I do hope that Bob is feeling better of late. I'm still in touch with Leota once in a while. --- More good memories of festivals past.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 02:23 AM

The hydro station reports about another 5 foot rise since Uncle Phil's 4:00 pm report. 30.90 feet, 09-14-2008 at 00:30. That likely will put it into several of the park buildings.

According to the predicting site, 30.5 feet will be across the road on Hwy 77 north of Winfield, so the highway may have about 0.4 feet (4 inches) of water running across it now. Predicted crest remains at 32.7 feet in the next few hours, which could put it 2 feet deep across the highway.

According to the official prediction, it will take about a day before the highway is clear again, assuming no washout damage.

The description says only "north of Winfield." Since some friends are intending to visit the city lake later today, it would be of interest whether the low spot is north or south of the exit to the lake (?). (The lake road is reported as "8 miles north of Winfield.")

John


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: GUEST,al no cookie
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 10:37 AM

John, thanks very much for the updates. Please keep them coming. We're up in Ottawa, still deciding when and if to come down. Your reports are much appreciated.
Al


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Uncle Phil
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 11:03 AM

10:00 Sunday, Winfield Lake. Sunny, windy, and pleasantly cool out by the lake this morning. The park roads are drying out and are easily passable this morning. Small band scramble last night at the marina; we are headed for a hymn sing at one of the refugee camps in a few minutes. Nice to see the festival proceding without benefit of organizers, tickets, etc.

We'll be in town in another hour or two. I'll look and see what the deal is with the river. It was on the road behind the concert barn yesterday PM and in part of the vendor barn. No offical communiques from the festival office yet today.
- Phil


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 12:28 PM

Uncle Phil, bless you. You're saving us a 100-mile round trip with your "notes from the field." We're thinking of making a move to the lake if our friends who are headed there can let us know about availability (or not) of electricity.

The other worrisome thing is the "water over the roadway" report--is the roadway water between the lake and Winfield, or between Wichita and the lake? Hopefully, someone can let us know the answer to that also.

All the WVF website says is "the show will go on." No word on where, what, or who yet, Al. I think Uncle Phil has it right: the festival is going on at the refugee camps right now without benefit of any outside interf--uh, help.

Lin


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: GUEST,Al no cookie
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 02:48 PM

Our current plan is to go to the stockyards monday or tuesday. Any reports from there?
Is there space available at the lake?
Al


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Uncle Phil
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 04:35 PM

3:30 Sunday. I haven't heard anything about 77 being closed. In know the bridge over the Walnut on 160 between Winfield and I35 is open because I was standing on it 30 minutes ago.

The fairgrounds are completely flooded since this morning, apparently because they had to open the floodgates up stream at El Dorado. I wish I had the bandwidth to post some pictures. The Pecan and Walnut Groves are both completely submerged. There's water in stage areas all the way up to the base of the 14th Street levee. As of about 3:00 the water has fallen a couple inches judging from the watermark on utility poles. Locals say it should go down rapidly unless they open the floodgates upstream again.

The plan is to bring a fire engine in to wash everything down once the river falls and go on with the stage shows. There seems to be no chance of camping on the fairgrounds again this year.

The campgrounds on the lake continue to fill up as more folks arrive from out of town. There is still plenty of space at the lake, but, Lin, I imagine all the hookups are long since gone. Your best shot is someone with a hookup with whom you can camp.

One plan being discussed for the shows is to use the high school for parking and shuttle people to and from the fair grounds on school buses.
- Phil


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Sorcha
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 05:13 PM

The Winfield Courier has at least one new pic up, even on a Sunday morning. Water is up to the Box seats in the grand stand. Here is a link to the article.... Courier


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Sorcha
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 05:16 PM

It's not looking good for the Home Team Campers anywhere. PM me if you really NEED a place to park a camper or sleep. My relatives are Finns Electric (do all the electric for the festival) and other 'stewards'.

Pretty sure that my mother in law would let someone put a camper in her yard, use the electric and hose. She had her camper parked in her yard for years. Also, a cousin is half way between Winfield and Ark City. HUGE yard with lots of parking, electric outlets, etc. Just PM me for more info.


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 05:40 PM

The Courier also has a pic of the Auction Barn parking lot, that doesn't look too inviting.

The Ranger station said (by phone) about an hour ago that there is still space available at city lake, and there are some hookups. A phone call from one of our friends who has been there implies that all (available) hookups are 30 amp, so make sure you've got a plug converter before getting there if you're carrying only "ordinary" cords.

Still no indication of where the water might be across highway 77. The ranger said she had no idea, but friends going in a little before it would have encroached didn't see any likely places coming from the north.

All attempts to locate a decent topo map of the area lead to FEMA websites, none of which "answer" or have phony (non-existing) URLs listed by Google.

John


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Uncle Phil
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 05:54 PM

Another option for a group is the Quail Valley Fun Barn (great name)south of town. They've got 52 spaces with water and electric, but, as of yesterday evening, they only had 11 campers. I don't have a phone number, and you can Google them faster than I can from out here on the farm.
- Phil


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Uncle Phil
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 06:21 PM

I can't see the picture, but covering the box seats sounds about right, with some white water where the water drops from the midway to the track. Speaking of pictures, there was a picture showing me cooking at last years Main Street Assn hamburger dinner in this morning's paper which was a little startling before the first cup of coffee.

Al, the stockyards are west of thr fairgrounds on 160. I still haven't heard anything about 77 being closed. I know it's open from Winfield to Ks Hwy 8 having driven it today, so if there's a closure it is north of there. The river is continuing to fall so, hopefully, it won't be a concern by morning.
- Phil


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Uncle Phil
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 06:50 PM

One of the rels just stopped by the farm on his way back from the lake. Stage 5 and Stage 7 are set up by the lake. His anecdotal report is that there may be hookups still available near the marina. He's all excited because he will be able to listen to all the campground music without springing for a fairground ticket. Howdyed with Dave Firestine a while ago so I expect Carp Camp will spring up somewhere soon.
- Phil


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: GUEST,Bill
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 12:12 AM

I have been in Winfield for a week. First time. I have a motorhome sitting in the ball field complex east of walmart.
I think this is a very good place to be. There is room for tents and motorhomes and campers. Lotssa grass . No electric left available. Water is available .The waste truck and ice guy drive thru.
folks here are making the best of the situation and there is a full moon and howlin music in the air !

Bill


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Uncle Phil
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 07:56 AM

The river was down by a foot by last night at sunset when we drove past the fairgrounds. There was plenty of camping room at the livestock barn and at Walmart. Several people I talked to last night moved from there to the lake. In spite of the hassles a lot of familar "camps" now set up around the lake and festival amenities, like port-a-johns, keep appearing out there. Most camps are centered around the stone bathrooms and showers.
- Phil


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Uncle Phil
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 10:19 PM

John and Lin arrived in the middle of the night last night and are camped with the Water Hole Gang on the north side of the lake. They had no problems with water on 77. Bill and Deana are camped on the south shore with a congenial group from Texas. Beaucoup electric hookups have been added out at the lake. Lots of good campground music in Kansas tonight.

The water is falling rapidly; the midway was above water by early afternoon and they have hosed out the buildings that were flooded. There won't be any camping on the fairgrounds, but the stage shows, contests, workshops, and vendor areas should operate more or less normally.
- Phil


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Sorcha
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 10:27 PM

The show MUST go on!


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 11:10 PM

I believe that a week after the 1st or 2nd festival WAY back when, the campgrounds were under 2 ft. or water. It's amazing they have gone so many years without this happening festival weekend.


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Sorcha
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 11:22 PM

Yes, Bill, it really is. Happens every few years, but never this close to the festival. And WAY back when, 1st or 2nd festival, the campgrounds weren't used like they are now! Not even close!

Me, I usually just walked (read staggered) home. And hoped my parents were already asleep.....LOL. Those were the days, my friend...


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: GUEST,Steve Bell at KCUR
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 01:34 AM

Hey, Al... or anybody! My sister and I are still planning on coming down. Leaving KC Thursday before noon. Where IS the Camp Nowhere gang? At the lake? If so, did you all cluster together at the lake? Is Nowhere anywhere or is it everywhere? In other words, we'd like to find you guys if we can because we enjoyed you so much last year (and for me in the past three years). I'm even ready to play some old time.

stevebell1@swbell.net


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: astro
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 01:42 AM

Carp camp will be very appropriate this year it seems....Dave may not need to wear his Carp hat for a carp to land on his head....

Astro in Tucson and LA....


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 05:12 PM

Hi all--I'm home to feed the cats again. Here's a small update on the camping situation:

SOUTH side of Winfield Lake:
    Nowhere Camp (I'm pretty sure I saw a sign for them yesterday)
    Bill and Deanna ("Scamp Camp") and friends
    Comfortable Shoes
    Rainbow Camp
    Terry and the Pirates

NORTH Side of Winfield lake:
    Watering Hole
    remnants of the Metaphysical Camp--they had an old-fashioned hillbilly hoedown last night ("free your inner hillbilly")
    Gary T. and some more of the K.C. crew
    At last knowledge, there were still some electrical hookups, and campers are sharing the water hookups, no problem. City of Winfield put in THREE NEW ELECTRIC POLES on the North Side yesterday; the CSSI trucks are making regular runs to suck s*(^t for the campers and set up more Port-A-Pots; and I think I heard the Ice Truck yesterday, too.

Oxford City Park in Oxford:
    Carp Camp (at a large pavillion) and many of their followers
    Haven't heard who else, but could assume lots of Irish music there. The Oxford Mayor is treating them all like royalty, from rumors cast abroad! Also heard, although can't vouch for truth, that the Giant Carp was left floating in their big tree in the Fairgrounds, on the lookout for its mate cruising down the Walnut River. I think Dave DID get his hat, though I don't think he's been trolling with it for any new carp. Rumor also says the traditional Carp Camp Parade will be held in Oxford this year...bring your weird hats and join in. Don't know where the Rat Camp wound up, so their band scramble may not be interrupted this year with "Harmonium."

Haven't heard any camp names for Wal-Mart or for the Auction Barn, sorry. The Wednesday Workshops are being held in town--check with the entry gate at the Fairgrounds or call the Headquarters (620-221-3250)to find out where. The Weds. evening concert with Bill Barwick and the Diamond W Wranglers is being planned for Stage 4 (where the contests are held) instead of Stage 3, so it will be inside tonight, starting at 7:30.

That's just a sniff, of course--people are scattered all over the place. City of Winfield is being very helpful, everyone is cooperating, and the groups at the Lake are having a wonderful time with absolutely no one in charge! It's been quite an adventure, but I think folks are settling in now and EVERYONE is ready to party.

Vendors are supposed to be setting up under the grandstands as usual, and entertainers are poised to do what they do best. Yes, Sorcha, the Show Must Go On!!

Here's a link to the main WVF page, with updates: click here

Lin


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 05:45 PM

Short additional note:

Front Porch Radio is apparently out at Oxford City Park also.

Here's a link to Don Shorock's photos. He's linked some other folks (Joe Tholan in particular has nice pics), too. Pretty impressive, old Mama Nature is.

Click to view

And you bet, Bill D. and Sorcha, it's a wonder it hasn't happened many times before. It usually does, just not at Festival time!

I'll post photos to our Smugmug site AFTER the Festival, as usual, and will give y'all a link then. I've got the critters fed and am heading back to camp. Anyone who isn't here yet is missing a lot of fun and great music!

Lin


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Sorcha
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 09:12 PM

Well, honestly, City of Winfield SHOULD be very helpful considering the MONEY this festival has brought in over the years!

(and you can bet yer bottom dollar that they didn't USED to be helpful at all...riff raff you know)

I 'assume' (we all know what THAT really means) that the yard sales on W. 9th and W. 14th are still as usual? :)


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: WyoWoman
Date: 17 Sep 08 - 10:42 PM

So glad to hear that you're all going to be able to get SOME Winfield fix at least. Takes more than a few feet of water to keep that spirit down.

Besides, my K.C. friends and band mates would be unbearable if they had to go for an entire year with no WVA. My motives for hoping the show goes on are at least half unselfish.

ww


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Uncle Phil
Date: 18 Sep 08 - 11:04 PM

Thurs PM. We are one day into the actual festival. Everything is up and running. So far it looks like numbers are down some. All the workshops went on as scheduled Wednesday, albeit with fewer students than expected. We fed 350 at the hamburger dinner after planning for 500. The cowboy concert Wednesday night had a good crowd that filled the Stage 4 barn.

There are shuttle buses running from the fairgrounds to places like the lake and they are parking cars where the infield camping has been in other years. Fairground crowds were OK today on Thursday. The lake is rocking with, as Lin says, absolutely no one in charge. Mudcatters Bill and Deana Lisk (wlisk) were on front porch radio this afternoon.

Off to the lake...
- Phil


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 19 Sep 08 - 12:36 AM

Mandolin Cafe has a link to some lovely pictures of the moisture... also, today's "spotlight MP3" was a track featuring Dave Firestine and Round the House, from their latest cd.

~ Becky in Sunny Tucson


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Uncle Phil
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 08:19 AM

Back home in Texas, here are weather pictures that I couldn't post last week.
- Phil


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: GUEST,wlisk
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 01:39 PM

Well it could have been a disaster but ended up being the best one yet! We spent alot of time with Phil & Michelle, saw John and Lin at the Lake, and ran into Gary at the festival. The jam sessions were great. The grand finale for us was Saturday night at our campsite (Scamp Camp) with the David Munnely Band, the Old 78's and the Wiyos-what fun! Posted some pics on www.myspace.com/wlisk
We really enjoyed Phil & Michelle, seems like we saw them at every performance that Deanna and I went to! And Phil makes a great wood fairy. Thanks again Phil see you at NTIF.
Bill & Deanna


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 10:03 PM

Bill, what a fantastic lineup for your Saturday night jam! We were pickin' on the other side of the lake, but wish we could have been at your place too--where are those cloning facilities when you need 'em?

Gary T. stopped by to serenade us with a wonderful parody of Ragtime Cowboy Joe that we think needs posted on the DT. Thanks, Gary! And we got to see Phil several timees (he says Michele was sewing and resting at the rels' house) and enjoyed talking with him.

As Bill says, it was a terrific Festival, flood and all. Certainly one we'll remember long after some of the others are forgotten! Signing off until next year...

Lin


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Uncle Phil
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 09:26 AM

Finally got non-flood pics off the camera and posted here.

It should be interesting to see what happens next year. I missed being able to stroll from camp to camp with everyone jumbled up together on the fairgrounds, and missed the variety of music that we've enjoyed in past years. We're planning to be back on the fairgrounds next year.

Winfield Lake and the park in Oxford, however, weren't bad, especially when you consider that you didn't have to buy pricey festival tickets to camp there. I wonder how many folks, especially those who never go to the main stage shows anyway, will elect to camp away from the fairgrounds next year?

Not to be crass, but I also wonder how the artists and vendors, who did not do as well as expected financially, will feel about next year. We bought enough food to feed hamburgers to 500 at the Wed night music crawl, but only fed 350 (leftovers to the firefighters, etc like every year). I expect that the other vendors were down by at least that much and CD sales were off as well.
- Phil


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 01:05 PM

Uncle Phil -

The upset in the routine was substantial, but in my case it wasn't (perhaps) entirely the fault of mother nature (the b**ch) and WVA.

Our usual trip there runs about $1K for the two of us, with

Tickets $160
Camping fees, ~32 days with hookup for one $320
Camping fees ~32 days without hookup for one $160
Food, repairs, maintenance/repairs for stuff busted in landrush, etc., the rest of about a thousand.

Extra expenses of in-and-out for the evacuation and relocation ran the bill up this year to about $1,800 before we got back to the lake (fees all paid by then), and by the time we got back home our grand total was somewhere around $21,600** for the whole trip. (With a few hundred $ of "cleanup" fixes remaining.)

** There was the minor added expense of replacing both Lin's scooter, which she killed by trying to drive it through a swamp, and replacing our tow vehicle, which suffered near total failure getting in and out of the lake and had to be replaced on the way home. The latter was a "totally unexpected" expense, since the old puller had less than 100,000 miles on it (although it was 14 years old). The radio went out about 6 years ago, the air conditioning died three years back, and the ABS module crapped out (for the second time) about a year ago; but aside from those minor blemishes it was in great shape.

The usual good fun was had by all. (???)

See y'all next year.

John


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Uncle Phil
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 07:56 PM

Hanging out in Winfield picking parlor in a sharp-looking new hat – priceless.

Sorry to hear about the van. I hope you gave it a decent burial. We saved on camping fees because we never actually camped, but we spent a fortune on gas traveling between the house/camps and the main stages at the fairgrounds. Our own fault, I suppose, for going to Winfield and actually going to shows.

Howdy to Lin and John son of John. Michelle has started a list of the stuff we used and didn't use on this trip to use when planning next year's trip.
- Phil


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 10:11 PM

Uncle Phil -

John son of John has been to WVA a couple of times, but came in late and pretended to be a "virgin."1 He lugged his banjo around the lakeside for several hours and then collapsed in his car and spent most of the night2 with his head hanging out of the dooor so he wouldn't mess up the upholstery. Of course he claimed it was "that slop he ate at the last truck stop." (?)

The old truck actually got us home, with the trailer parked in the back yard; but I skipped the dump station due to the marginal capabilities. The replacement was on the lot at the Winfield dealer where I had the last emergency repairs done, so I made preliminary arrangements Monday and had to nurse the old hunk back on Thursday after the Seattle bank cut the check and got it to them for the new one. The worst part was that I had to unload the old one in only two days - including removing all the stuff like the brake control, CB, and other "add-ons," and putting the 5 seats back in (removed and stored for about 12 years). Two weeks is a more normal time for getting all the camping stuff out.

The old one had factory installed heavy trailer equipment, so it was actually quite adequate for our little trailer with a rated trailer capacity at 6,000 lb - and the dealer did all the hitch work when we bought the trailer. All the "new" Chevy trucks have "trailer wiring" pre-installed, but this one is a "farm truck" without fancy factory stuff, so I still have to get a hitch on it and get the brake control wiring done. It's rated to tow a paltry 4,300 lb, so it's "adequate" for our trailer if we don't go out often; but it was something of a puzzle as to how much I'll be able to put in the truck while towing our 3,600 lb (<4,200 lb loaded, I think) house.

I managed to measure an accurate "tongue load" with a bathroom scale and some blocks and boards yesterday, and found (after much searching) a "public scale3" where I got "curb weight" and axle loads measured on the new truck today, and it all looks workable. Truck payload (in the bed) with the trailer on will only be about 790 lb if I observe the axle load ratings (to keep the warranties good) but I could go 1,850 lb and be within GCWR to keep the ICC and NTHSC guys happy. It's the smallest "full-size" pick'emup Chevy sold for 2008, I think - 1500 Silverado WT. With the same little 6-banger engine as in the old truck, even with 14 years of "evolutionary improvements" I will not be "towing briskly."

Once I get the hitch on the truck, I'll intend to go back to the scale and get an accurate trailer weight, so if there are no unexpected delays in hitching up I'll leave it loaded until then. I've never bothered to do that, since the old van had fairly safe margins; but will feel guilty if I don't since the new truck is closer to limits. If my estimates turn out to be less accurate than I think they are, I suppose I'll just claim I don't know any better like most of the rest of the people who pull something.

The real point though is that I can't unload from Winfield until I get hitched up and in motion, and I'm already into the "loading" stage for next year.

1 For those who haven't been there, "Winfield Virgins" - those there for the first time - are a sort of special tradition of the campgrounds. They are treated with very special (dis)respect, and are the victims beneficiaries of every lie bit of historical fact and advice more seasoned campers can invent. Lin says that "virginity grows back if you don't use it for six years." (She claimed to be one when I met her.) John s. o. John hadn't gone quite six years without a Winfield, but maybe that form grows back quicker.

2 In the Winfield campgrounds, "night" usually begins sometime after 2 am, for those there to "enjoy." I think he made it to about 03:00.

3 Interestingly, the instructions at the public scale were to drive on the scale and push the "red button" to notify the people inside that you needed weighed. The "red button" was about 11 feet above ground level (window height on most semi tractors, I guess?) and far above what I could jump to from scale level. I had to find a three foot long board to whack the button in order to get weighed. Next time I'll be sure I take a ladder or at least a long walkin' stick.

John


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: GUEST,East Texas Red
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 10:19 PM

I didn't go for the first time in years because of the weather and have been kicking myself ever since. It sounds like a missed a good one.


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Art Thieme
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 10:27 PM

Red, a few years back I recorded Woody's song about you! I'd thought you had died!? From all I hears, the weather never would've stopped you...

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: GUEST,mn
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 10:46 AM

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