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Uncle Phil 13 Sep 08 - 08:43 AM
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GUEST,Al no cookie 12 Sep 08 - 10:16 PM
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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Uncle Phil
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 08:43 AM

John -
Howdy from Winfield where it is raining hard at 6:30 local time on Saturday morning. From what we could see last night about 11 the Walnut Grove was completely flooded and the water was approaching the barns. They had all the doors open so the water could flow through. We're warm and dry at the rel's farm out in Wilmot.

We rolled in from Dallas around supper time yesterday. We've spent the last week and a half trying to reason with hurricane season. Family in Baton Rouge is still without electric, and we evacuated my 92 year old mom to my sister's home in Dallas. She was planning to return to Baton Rouge yesterday, but only managed to fly from Dallas to Dallas when to BR aerodrome closed because weather while she was in the air. Dallas is more-or-less in the path of Hurricane Ike so it should be an interesting few days there. I'm guessing that Houston is already a mess.

The first rain we saw yesterday was in Ark City while crossing the Arkansas River which looked to be a flood stage. We came into Winfield on Hwy 77, saw all the campers in the Walmart parking lot, and figured that something was going on. We met the relatives at Greenbush Merchantile and got the story. Drove past the fairgrounds before heading to the farm to unload after supper. They were still tractoring out a few caravans but it was mostly empty. The lower parts of the Walnut Grove were already flooded.

We unloaded, and then Michelle's cousin and I went off to search the refugee camps to see if we could find you. There was still some room, but conditions varied. The Walmart parking lot was dry , but no water or electric. The livestock barn is a sea of mud. The campgrounds on the Wilmont side of the lake are pretty muddy, and the roads on that side are a muddy disaster. I was glad we drove up in my Jeep instead of Michelle's van. Most of the caravans seem to have electric for the moment, don't know about water. The Winfield side of the lake is better, but still pretty muddy.

We ran into Bill and Deana on that side. They went to the Walmart parking lot earlier, then moved out to the lake to get electric and water. Folks out there got the margarita machine working and we got a pretty good jam session going before the rains came again.
Everyone seemed content to just wait and see what is going to happen about the festival. The locals seem to think the water will go down quickly when the rains stop and that there's a good chance that the festival will happen next weekend. Hope that's not just wishful thinking. We'll keep you posted if I can get messages out over this chancy, dialup connection.
- Phil


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 11:54 PM

Yep, guest Al - I saw the Courier article, and it describes just the kind of info we needed:

"Stone said depending on where campers are located, they will be diverted to one of five locations."

The problem was that that's NOT WHAT HAPPENED.

There were several places "listed" as gathering spots, beginning at first with two, then going to five, then with three omitted, then with one added back:

The city lake is booked months in advance for this festival by people who choose to camp offsite - according to WVA prior information, so it might not be a good spot to go to if it's already full.

The county lake is also booked months in advance by those who choose to camp there while attending the festival, and info said there was a fishing tournament also booked for this weekend, so all the existing camp sites were already full.

Only one of these two lakes was listed, but there was considerable confusion so people went to both. Early arrivals at both lakes phoned back reports of "seas of mud" with no stable sites, no power, and no water. The weather forecast includes up to 5 or 6 inches of additional rain in the next day or two.

The Walmart parking lot (the FIRST SITE GIVEN) lacks both water and electrical hookups. Some big campers carry a lot of water and have generators, but those of us in smaller units have very limited "carry with" supplies of water, and some of us REQUIRE electrical power for medical reasons. It's also incredibly difficult, and not approved practice, to drive tent stakes in an asphalt parking lot.

The "auction barn" location is unknown to most people, and the location was only vaguely described, with NO INFORMATION on what facilities were available there.

Nobody was told where or how to assemble to be ready to go back to the fairgrounds. They were just told to get out, with vague suggestions of some places they might go. There was no indication of when (if) camping might resume, so going to a "remote" campsite with uncertain facilities is not an inviting prospect, especially given the absence of any estimate of how long you might be there.

Instructions from the radio on how to get out were countermanded by police and sheriff deputies directing traffic, so
I wouldn't be surprised if some people are still wandering around on back roads in unfamiliar territory. The roads that the "official" radio told us to take were blocked by police.

Being FM, and essentially line-of-sight reception, the "official" station can't be received by most people even in the places it was suggested we go. A shortest-distance tour of the sites listed, to see if one was "habitable" would appear to be about a 50 mile trip.

After spending three weeks sitting there just to get a space and with no indication that it will be possible to return, or even any indication of whether "there's a plan" it's a little confusing.

John


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: GUEST,Al no cookie
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 10:16 PM

http://www.winfieldcourier.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=26042


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 09:17 PM

Friday, 12 September, 2008

(Thursday was Land Rush, and we all proceeded to our campsites and "pitched tents and circled the wagons" - in an all-day rain/drizzle/rain/drizzle/rain.)

Vague rumors beginning in early morning hours following approximately 5.2 inches of rain overnight indicated that some parts of the campground notoriously subject to flooding were "being moved." Some people were quoting "radio and TV reports" that a crest on the Walnut River at about 18 feet (flood stage is 18 feet) was predicted by Friday afternoon.

The "official" WVA radio station, 105.7 FM, continued to broadcast the information than only selected areas were to be evacuated, but began adding information(?) on "re-assembly areas" people could go to.

By about noon, unofficial rumors were that the USGS hydrological unit had predicted a crest at ~34 feet for the Walnut river at Winfield on Saturday. A few hours later the radio began confirming the USGS estimate, and suggested "some people may need to move."

An official US Meteorological report repeated by the radio station indicated an expected crest on Friday at about 18 feet, to be followed on Saturday by another crest at 34.2 feet.

An "apparently official" announcement by the radio station early in the afternoon stated that the park was ordered closed, and that evacuation by EVERYONE, by midnight, was mandatory.

About the only sign of actual "preparedness" was the sudden appearance of a number of very large tractors who worked their way fairly methodially from low points up to higher ground, extracting rigs that would otherwise be lost in the mud. Utility crews also appeared and proceeded with the "normal" elevation of all the electrical outlet boxes to their "off-season" height (15 or 20 feet above ground level?).

At least five "re-assembly" locations were given by the radio station, but with only vague directions regarding their locations. No information was ever provided suggesting where people from given park locations should reassemble. We were informed that "instructions would be given" at the main entrance as we left the park, however police directing traffic would NOT PERMIT US TO GO TO THE MAIN ENTRANCE. (Academic comment, as at least one who evaded the police and made it to the main entrance was told there were no instructions available. One other, who claims to have "argued vigorously" was finally given a sheet with a bad map on it but with no other information.)

In the absence of useful information, a small group from our camp met at the Walmart parking lot (after a multi-mile detour at the direction of police and sheriff dept officers). This was one of the "re-assembly" locations listed. After some discussion, we all left with a variety of destinations.

The more rational of us seemed inclined to return home (mostly to Wichita - ~50 miles from the park) and await further information.

With the exception of confirmation via the USGS hydro website that the river was at 18.1 feet at 19:00 (7:00 pm Central US Time Zone) no further information has been accessible (to me).

The "official statement" from the WVA website is that the "Festival will proceed as scheduled," but there is as yet no information on when and how people will be permitted to return to the campground (if at all).

A possibly valid rumor is that the USGS "projection" was that the river will return to "at or below flood stage" by "sometime Monday." It is also projected that hurricane Ivan will produce copious rain in the area during the next week or so.

John


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: GUEST,Al no cookie
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 09:09 PM

The official festival site reports flooding. They request nobody show up this weekend. Forecast for later in the week is sunny.
Al


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 11:16 AM

Phil, you got it. See ya soon!

Lin


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Uncle Phil
Date: 30 Aug 08 - 04:45 PM

Put the coffee pot on and ice down some beer, we'll be there as quick as we can.
- Phil


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 30 Aug 08 - 03:01 PM

DONE! Out to Winfield for the duration, except quick trips back (like today) to feed the Brat Cats.

Hope to see a bunch of ya out in the Pecan Grove makin' music. (Or whatever...) There are about 300-400 campers, RVs, invisible blue tarps, fifth wheels, etc. parked out there waiting for Land Rush on Thursday, Sept. 11th.

Lin


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 25 Aug 08 - 04:09 PM

Art, we sure wish you were feeling well enough to come to the Festival again. It would be a treat and an honor to meet you. We will think of you often while raising hell the next three weeks.

Tom, sorry I didn't get back to you sooner! Phil's right; John's been camped out at Winfield for a week already, and though his computer's there, he's got no Internet (withdrawals are imminent).

Phil's photo shows Glen, who is from Newton KS, and plays one heck of a set of spoons in addition to his dulcimer. John and I are from Wichita. If you are too, do you know about the Monday night jams at Old Chicago Restaurant on Kellogg East? They play lots of Irish and folk, and Glen is usually there with dulcie and spoons. All listeners and most players are welcome!

Also, don't know if you've ever been to the Festival, but Winfield is a great place to meet players of all kinds of instruments, including cicadas (yes, I mean the bugs).

Sorcha, of course we never did that stuff. That's why we're all old, gray, wrinkled, and tired today!

Phil, looking forward to seeing you and Michele there! John and I BOTH got new cameras this last year, but he still says you cheat and take pictures in the daylight...gotta do something about that weird streak of yours.

Working madly to get my proof job finished so I can go out there and stay,

Lin


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Uncle Phil
Date: 25 Aug 08 - 01:10 AM

Tom -
John's not snubbing you. He's already camped out on the fairgrounds in Winfield, most likely with no internet access.
- Phil

Glen Murphy(left)on Dulcimer


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Tom James
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 02:56 PM

Hi John. I'm new to the cafe, still learning the ropes. Where are you from in Kansas? I don't run into too many other bones and spoons players around Wichita.

Way too long since Mr. Thieme has been around. Please come back sometime.


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Sorcha
Date: 23 Aug 08 - 10:01 PM

Hee hee....Mr has a whole BUNCH of Winfield shirts that say CREW...they lie too. His mom gave them to him. She IS CREW!

Sure wish we were going but I have dogs to take care of. 'Should' be down to just 3 by that weekend but still......

My 'best' camping spot in the early years was my HOME....315 West 14th. Just 3 blocks from the 'dike' and Pecan Grove! Hell, in the early years we could sit on the front porch and listen to the music and get high just from the drifing smoke from the fairgrounds.....Oh, sorry. Right, we didn't 'do' that stuff, did we?????


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Art Thieme
Date: 23 Aug 08 - 07:52 PM

The slides I took at Winfield (the good ones anyway), plus the rest of my folk scene slides, are all now ensconced at the Smithsonian Institution's National Museum of American History.

Once again, I wilkl not to be there with y'all. Have a fine time.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 23 Aug 08 - 03:58 AM

Bill, that's too cool! Treasure that shirt; there likely weren't a whole bunch of them in 1989!

John told me today that he was on his way to a jam with some friends just down the road. I am jealous. Only a couple of weeks and another 100 pages, and I'll be there too. Can't wait.

Lin


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Aug 08 - 06:40 PM

Lin...one outrageous 'lie' is the Winfield Festival tee-shirt a local (Wash DC) friend found for me in a thrift store several years ago. It is from 1989, and above the logo, in red letters, it says 'CREW'.


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 21 Aug 08 - 03:29 PM

Well, John's off to the wilds of Winfield, dragging the camper and half the house with him. He called this morning (hey! the cell phones work there now!) to tell me he's parked, hooked up, and having his first beer, so things are going well. Wow, the house is sure quiet though... I expect to hear from him again in a couple of days, with a list of the rest of the things I'm supposed to bring when I go on Sept. 1st.

He says there are about 300 campers in "line" so far. They're separating the groups into Walnut Grove and Pecan Grove this year, which may help at Land Rush.

Bill D., if you find your ticket, for gosh sakes, frame the thing! And hang it on a wall where people will notice, so you can tell them all your outrageous lies (and some of the truths). Half the fun of wearing a Winfield tee-shirt is having people ask you, "where's Winfield?" so you can tell 'em what they're missing.

Lin


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 01:57 PM

When I dug out my old photos a few years ago, they were starting to fade so badly that I just scanned them all and shredded the originals. A fair percent of them are on our "camp site" at http://waterhole.smugmug.com/.

I believe pics there through 2004 and some of the 2005 were originally film. There are a couple of years when I took fewer pictures, and they apparently got misplaced so there are a couple of "blank" years. (Having nothing to do with my participation in the festivities, of course.)

There were several photos in the early years that looked - and scanned - as blank black rectangles, but that Photoshop Elements pulled fairly decent pictures out of. If I'd know a little bit about how to drive PE back then they migh have looked even better, but even if they didn't look better it would have been a lot easier.

Growth of the WVA festival was pretty slow in the early years, since it was known almost exclusively by the local college/juco students (and a few of their boyfriends at other nearby schools). They had to graduate, spread out, and form clusters of drunken/drinkin' buddies** to drag into it. They didn't reach critical mass and start to grow rapidly until ca 1985 - '90(?) or so - based on how hard it suddenly became to snag the good camp spots (personal observation, FWIW).

** Someone once tried to bet that more than half of the first-timers in the early years "came with a nurse" on their first trip. My first group had four nurses, one drug dealer (really - a legit professional) and a couple of bartenders. The local Winfield college did train (or at least start) lots of RNs and LPNs.

John


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 01:17 PM

Yep...I have a few of those, too!( and a few outrageous truths!)

Some where, I 'think' I have a ticket from the first one, where they issued tickets for individual days. I taped mine to my autoharp case, and removed the previous....so the one I had saved was from Sunday. It finally came loose, and I stashed it away with the one I posted...I thought.

I think there were only a couple thousand that 1st year, and I had #900 or so.

The 2nd year, I talked it up and several friends came down with me. I gotta find the slides of those years and get them converted to JPEGs.


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 08:59 PM

Bill D - I'll admit it's the oldest one I've seen.

The problem with it being a collectible is that the only people much interested in those kinds of collections are the ones who've been there, and they've all got their own collections. (Scars, rashes, and huge stashes of outrageous lies, mostly?)

John


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 07:17 PM

If anyone loses their ticket, they can have mine. Who knows, it might be a collectors item!


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 06:55 PM

leenia -

Glenn's a big boy, and he's got the number to call if he wants to. He's almost as old as I am and maybe at least half as cute. He may be even better than me at the sweet talkin' - but I don't know if he intends to ask to be excused from the jury.

One thing in favor of him not having quite the usual difficulty, if he wants to try to opt out, is that he's apparently in a "standby pool." If he doesn't try to make arrangements to be excused, he has to call in, sometimes several days in a row, to see if they've used up the primary pool and then has a day to make arrangements to go in if his pool ( I think there may be more than one of "standbys") is needed.

Since he doesn't actually wait in line for the festival - just dumps his trailer and goes home until the fest actually starts - he has a couple of weeks to argue with them and could still make it to the festival when he needs to be there unless he's assigned to a jury that starts trial soon and runs more than a few days.

If he gets his trailer in line on 21 August, he doesn't need to be back there until 06 Sept to get his official "lineup position," and then has to be there 11 Sept to get his camping spot in the Landrush. Then the actual festival starts 17 Sept and runs through the weekend.

John


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 03:27 PM

Surely it's worth one phone call. It certainly was in my case. I was excused even before setting foot in the courtroom.

In any event, I was going to face whatever penalties they dished out rather than cancel my trip.


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 11:54 AM

Leenia -

In most places in the US the rumors are pretty much true. It's impossible to generalize, since the real situation is different for each court, and may vary from county to county, or even city precinct to precinct.

Here, where Murphy is affected, there are a very few statutory "excuses," that can be applied simply by presenting authoritative and credible statements that the specific causes apply - such as that you are "medically unsuited to perform jury service" as my doctor affirmed.

The judge here may excuse anyone else, but is not required to do so for any reason not listed in the jury rules of the specific court's jurisdiction. "Vacation plans" would not typically qualify for quick consideration and a rapid excusing of the victim potential juror here, although there is a mechanism for asking.

Even to present a reason for wanting to be excused often requires an appearance when the jury pool is assembled, where the judge may consider excuses. In a worst case, regardless of "excuse," the potential juror may have to wait "until called for examination" when a plausible argument may cause one of the attorneys to request that the judge excuse the juror "for cause." It's not uncommon for a potential juror to be required to sit in the "jury pool" area for a week, and never be called to serve on a jury - and never get an opportunity to ask to be excused. It's also not extremely rare for a prospective juror who offers an "unacceptable" objection to be threatened with contempt of court and a night or two in jail.

Your experience really is no cause for optimism here. What matters more here is which judge presides and what kind of day(s) (s)he's been having - - - and how many others have offered "lame excuses" before yours gets viewed.

John


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 10:31 AM

'Murph said that he intends to "dump his trailer" in the pre-lineup Wednesday, but will make "occasional visits" the keep an eye on things - if the jury summons he got a couple of days ago doesn't upset things.'


Once I had a trip to Scotland planned and the airline tickets bought. Then I got a jury summons for the same time. I called the office and they said, 'No problem. We'll take your name out and call you some other time. Thanks for calling!'

So much for all those rumors that you absolutely can't get out of jury service.


Have fun at the festival.


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 04:41 PM

Bill--The tickets have been packed since the day we got 'em--John just has to remember to give me mine from wherever he's got them stashed...along with some cash so I can buy groceries while he's gone, I hope.

And I could make lists till the cows come home (and do) but they don't mean a thing unless they contain something that John believes is essential. So usually I just make lists for MY stuff and try to remember to bring all that. And maybe some extra clothes for the man (he isn't kidding about the one pair of pants until I get there).

Getting downright antsy to get there, I am. See y'all soon!

Lin


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: wlisk
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 02:48 PM

Don't forget your tickets - hope there is room for them!


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 11:29 AM

Uncle Phil -

She plans ahead and you don't have to start packing in March?

Lin only makes lists so she can tell me what I forgot to pack after she gets there. Documentary evidence and all that. (But I think sometimes she makes stuff up and back-dates the lists. I certainly don't remember anything I've forgot.)

I don't think "incontinent" was a word that the doc used. Winfield's only about 55 miles from the house so I don't have to leave the country, let alone the continent, even if it is a different world there.

The interesting thing was that the doc told the judge I've got problems she hadn't told me I have - and that I didn't think she'd noticed.

She explained later that "we didn't want to worry you 'till we got the serious stuff under control." Now I'm really worried. What if they're not telling me about something serious just 'cause they can't do anything about it? (There is a cure for decrepitus celeritus isn't there?)

John


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Uncle Phil
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 09:34 AM

I think the word you were looking for is incontinent. I'll be thinking about all the fun ya'll'll be having 'in line' for the next few weeks while I'm toiling away at the day job. We still plan to drive up on the 12th so no serious packing yet, though I'd be willing to bet real American money that Michelle is already making lists.
- Phil


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 04:21 AM

Time to panic at our house.

The camper is partly loaded, moved to the back drive where it's more accessible than at the "storage" spot in the back yard. Except for the requirement to mow the two-foot high weeds to get to the camper, and hack a hole in the wisteria that was blocking the back door to the house, the movement was "uneventful."

The tow van, as usually, is bursting at the seams and sagging in the a** with my usual overload of "essentials." Left to load, or to organize for Lin to truck down later:

- - Her sewing table (she can take care of the sewing machine, material, threads, needles and other girly stuff).
- - Camp decorations (mostly lights we're in the habit of stringing).
- - The rumble seat for her "mobility" scooter. - necessary because tail lights are required at night in the campground, and the rear basket that I added is the only place to put them.

- - Oh yeah ... maybe an instrument or two, and I haven't picked out the pair of britches to wear for the next month.

Refrigerator turned on to cool down about an hour ago. It takes several hours to "stabilize" at safe temp when it runs off electric, and will do much better when I get parked and turn on the gas. Due to the slope in the driveway, and the necessity to "level" the camper to operate the reefer safely, the rear of the van is jacked up about two feet, so neighbors giggle when they jog past, but it should work.

Since I got such a late start packing up (almost nothing done before May 15 this year) I've got most of the repair parts to restore life to "defective and marginal" trailer systems after last year's outing; so I'll have something to do in the pre-lineup.

Some shopping to do tomorrow, largely for "perishable food" basics.

I've also barely started organizing the stuff that Lin will need to load when she comes down. The main problem is finding a place to "organize" where she won't be tripping over things before she's ready to come down, but where she absolutely will trip over them when it's time for her to load up.

Target TOA is 07:00 or slightly before, Wednesday morning for me. Lin is guessing she'll come down (to stay) about 01 Sept.

Lin suggests a warning for Bill and Deanna that Glenn (Murph/Murphy) dropped by and said he's anxious to play with them (he mentioned "in lineup"). He didn't comment on whether it's his dulcimer or his spoons he has in mind. If that merits special camouflage for the egg, let the rest of us know how to recognize it, or if you hide it from us let him know. (Plastic flamingos are still available, but does anybody make a plastic ostrich. A large bird would be a perfect and appropriate addition to the Lisk campsite, I'd think.)

Murph said that he intends to "dump his trailer" in the pre-lineup Wednesday, but will make "occasional visits" the keep an eye on things - if the jury summons he got a couple of days ago doesn't upset things. I got a similar one at about this time last year, but my doctor happily certified that I was incontipent, incontinept, inepticant. %#$@^@!! not healthy enough to participate.

John


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 13 Aug 08 - 05:12 AM

Refresh, as I've got just a week to finish packing and won't see comments after that.

Lin will probably go down about 1 to 2 weeks after I go, and may bring me later updates.

We'll likely also make "spot visits" back home to look in on the critters, so may be able to check in briefly at random times during the festival.

John


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Uncle Phil
Date: 12 Aug 08 - 01:15 AM

Sorcha and Wyo Woman, hope to see you next year. But, hey, if you do manage to catch a ride this year I think I know where we can score us some beers.
- Phil


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Aug 08 - 04:38 PM

Wow! Thanks for the quick answer and all the info. Everyone Ive met who has been there says how awesome it is.


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 11 Aug 08 - 03:10 PM

All that said, people are usually friendly and helpful to those who just want to pitch a tent. It's a huge place and upward of 18,000 (yes, eighteen THOUSAND) people camp there on the weekend of the Festival, so as John says, no matter where you find a spot, be prepared to do some walking to get to the grandstand and all the shows.

It's still the funnest thing we do all year long. [smile] Hope you make it there and enjoy the Greencards and other performers--there are some really good ones, on all four stages, not to mention some darned good pickers in the campgrounds. Go to the official website for a list and short biographies of those performing.

Lin


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 11 Aug 08 - 02:44 PM

Guest

Motels really close are frequently booked a year in advance. The closest you can be reasonably sure of getting into may be in Wichita, about 40 or 50 miles northwest of Winfield. (Distance varies depending on whether you believe the publicists, the maps, or the odometer. Wichita is sprawled out about 20 miles wide, so location in Wichita can add some clicks on the odometer.)

At the first post in this thread, the 5th link: Official WVA website, I believe in the "Camping" section, theres a list of some "Alternatives to Camping" that some some possibles where you might find a closer one, but I'd recommend calling ahead as soon as possible to try to get a confirmed reservation if you want a hotel/motel. The list includes "alternative camping" at the County Lake about 15 miles north, but it's almost certain to be full by the time you arrive.

Camping is NOT ASSIGNED. It's first come, first planted, with the "Land Rush" to prevent anyone from getting in ahead of the crowd. A "Lineup for Landrush" starts a week earlier to decide who gets in first on Landrush morning, and you can "camp out" for up to two weeks ahead of that to try to be "early into Lineup."

If you have a tent and are reasonably self-sufficient, you can find a place to pitch a tent almost anytime, but you may have to poke about a bit and squeeze in.

There's a crude map at a subpage of Picker's Paradise that may give some idea of how things are spread out. There's no scale shown on the map; but you'll enter at the ticket booth off Highway 106 which is 7th Avenue out of Winfield. 14th Avenue is shown down toward the bottom of the map, so you can apply "seven small-town city blocks" as a dimension for the distance between those two.

The "purple" patch in the middle is the grandstand area. No vehicles (and no booze or other contraband) allowed there. Walk-in only and all persons entering will be "inspected," which may include looking in purses and any "carried items."

The green and yellow areas at top left are the regular park campground, which is equipped with numerous electrical hookups and pletiful water taps; but you're unlikely even to find a place to pitch a tent there if you arrive at the final weekend. The two "trails" that run under the bridge are "overflow" camping areas, and might have space left, technically in the "green" area.

The blue and peach areas near the bottom are in what is normally a "day park" where camping is "only during the Festival." A few electrical hookups are added and removed in the small oval, but they will be long gone. There are three water taps inside the oval, but outside it there's no immediately accessible water. You can probably carry enough water to get you through a couple of days, but bringing a good bucket (water can) is recommended.

The white area on the right (East) between Highway 106 (7th Ave) and 14th Ave isn't shown as a camp area on the map, but is being used in recent years. There is no electricity, no water, no shade, and campfires are banned there; but it's not too bad once it begins to fill up and a few RVs spread their canopies. Quite a few who were forced there in recent past years now just go there by choice.

You'll need a "camping permit" for each tent pitched. There's been an attempt to require an additional "camping permit" for each shade shelter people set up, but enforcement is "variable." Each camping permit gets you a "parking sticker" that allows one vehicle in the area for which you get the camping permit. The parking sticker does not assure you of finding a place to park in the campground, but "local arrangements" can usually squeeze in most of the people who need a vehicle close to camp. Lots of campers park in the "Day Parking" area, north of the grandstand, and walk in, or back in after they get setup, due to parking congestion in the camp areas.

How far it is to the grandstand and stages depends entirely on where you find your camping site, but do plan on doing some walking.

If you get "inside" one of the major camp areas, do watch which road you follow getting to the grandstand or to other camps. The camping area really isn't all that big, but it's "unorganized" and people have been known to get lost going back to camp, especially after dark.

John


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Aug 08 - 01:43 PM

What advice do you old timers have for a first timer? Im driving up from Texas for the festival weekend mostly to see the Greencards My wife thinks we should get a motel room since its only a couple days, but I say bring the Boy Scout gear and camp out. I have not checked on motels yet, but would be surprised if we could find one on that weekend. Are there lots of camping places? How are camping spots assigned? How far is the camping from the stages? Thank you.
    Please note that anonymous posting is no longer allowed at Mudcat. Use a consistent name [in the 'from' box] when you post, or your messages risk being deleted.
    Thanks.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 11 Aug 08 - 06:12 AM

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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 09 Aug 08 - 06:54 AM

Al, Barbara, and Gary:

YAY! The crew is gathering! I hunted up Camp Nowhere last year, but y'all weren't home--I'll try it again this year, and listen close for dulcet strains of old-timey songs.

Gary, we'll (hopefully) be in the same place; as always, you're welcome anytime. Will try to find you on one of my "roll-abouts" in my little red scooter...or failing that, give you a call.

And BTW, y'all, don't miss going to hear Buddy Greene, the only (to my knowledge) guy to ever play harmonica in Carnegie Hall. See on You Tube.

Also highly recommended: the David Munnelly Band, The Wiyos, The Old 78s. See here for a full listing.

Lin


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Gary T
Date: 09 Aug 08 - 12:10 AM

I plan to get there sometime during the weekend preceding the festival proper. Most likely camping spot is on 14th St. between the Pecan Grove central oval and the re-entry gate, on the high-ground (south) side, but we'll see what I find when I arrive. My cell phone # is 816-812-1405.

I sure am looking forward to seeing all of you. I might enjoy the festival, too. :-)


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Al
Date: 08 Aug 08 - 04:01 PM

Al and Barbara will be there playing old time music at CAMP NOWHERE.


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: WyoWoman
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 10:09 PM

Aw, man. I wish I could meet you folks there.

Next year in Jerusalem, for sure ...

No, really...

--WW


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: wlisk
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 09:28 AM

Uncle Phil
We usually camp across the street and north a little from the Front Porch Radio tent, come by anytime for that beer. Well anytime after 10am and before 3am! We're in a little Casita trailer that looks like a small plastic egg with Arkansas plates. We'll see Lin and John in the preline and have that beer/wine.

Bill


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 06 Aug 08 - 11:35 PM

Uncle Phil--

I can probably wrest your beer from Bill somewhere along the line...however, that does leave you the problem of getting it away from me. Bring wine and I'll trade ya.

Michelle, me too. I have plans for setting up a mini-sewing room under the canopy again and several projects I'm bringing along, just to make sure I keep busy, you know. As if . And who needs all those clothes anyway??

Looking forward to seeing you two again.

Lin


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Uncle Phil
Date: 06 Aug 08 - 09:07 PM

Hey, Lin. When you see Bill get his license plate number. He owes me a beer from NTIF this might be a good chance to collect without him having to come back to Texas or me go to Arkansas.

Michelle says howdy and to tell you she is still planning to bring her sewing machine this year -- even if she has to Fed Ex her clothes to make room.
- Phil


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 06 Aug 08 - 07:32 PM

Bill--

So that's whose dog was singing last year! I thought I recognized the tune!

We sure enjoyed being near the Casita in lineup last year; hope we're close enough to hear y'all again this year. See you soon!

Lin


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: GUEST,wlisk
Date: 06 Aug 08 - 10:00 AM

Deanna and I enjoy "The Line-up". We meet lots of new people as you camp in line in the order that you get there. We can bring our dog too (he likes to sing Old Blue). We just took the cover off of the Casita and opened it up and it smelled like Winfield.
See you in a few weeks John.

Bill & Deanna


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 06 Aug 08 - 04:26 AM

Uncle Phil and the Beutiful Girl You Bring Along--

Looking forward to seeing you again this year. I'm planning to be there by Land Rush day, but as you probably know, John's vacation starts when he leaves me at home all alone (sob) and goes off into the wilds of the fairground to "mark our space," usually the end of August.

Bring cool clothes this year; we've had several days over 100 degrees in the last couple of weeks. Of course, September may be a whole different story, too. John always tells me to pack for all four seasons, and most times he's right. We're bound to get rained on at least once...

Sorcha and Wyo, sorry you can't be there this year. We'll keep an eye out for the band members--names or nicknames, please?

LEJ, are you coming this year? Please stop in for a howdy and a beer.

Getting restless already,
Lin


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Uncle Phil
Date: 06 Aug 08 - 12:25 AM

Probably some of both since I don't remember it too clearly.
- Phil


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 06 Aug 08 - 12:13 AM

Phil -

We enjoyed your pics from the downtown activities recently, but there was an argument here about whether you were pourin' or guzzlin'.

Maybe we'll look for some clarification this year.

John


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: Uncle Phil
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 11:33 PM

Put the coffee pot on. We'll get to Winfield sometime on the 12th, the Friday before the Festival, so we can go to the Great Plains Dulcimer Alliance picnic on Saturday.

We'll have to split time between the fairgrounds and family stuff, but it's nice having family in Winfield so we can roll into town without a lot of gear. I expect we'll pay the rent by spneding a day helping with the Downtown Association's fund raiser as usual.
- Phil


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Subject: RE: WVA 2008 - Winfield Festival
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 12:54 AM

The Land Rush and all the lineups aren't really a problem if you're young and healthy enough to get by without 1.) an electrical hookup, and 2.) easy access to water.

A secondary reason for going through the miseries would be if you are part of an "established camp." If a group wants/needs to camp together, and especially if they have a preferred place, a sufficient percentage of their people have to "get there first" to stake out the site.

I find it "astonishing" (in lieu of more appropriate but possibly offensive words?) that WVA awards "best campsite" trophies, but 35 years into doing this offers NO WAY that a camp can be assured of being able to setup their campsite in any appropriate place. Some (a couple of dozen) of the camps have very elaborate "setups" involving multi-K$ in "community" equipment, and can find themselves with no appropriate place to set up.

In our case, an electrical hookup is mandatory if we are to be at the festival. Lin requires insulin (3 or 4 different kinds) that must be refrigerated. When it's >$100 per bottle, and when undetected spoilage can be fatal, relying on ice chests is NOT AN OPTION. She also requires a mobility scooter if she's to be able to get more than about 100' from our site, which means frequent recharging of batteries. I'm supposed to use an oxygen concentrator while sleeping, which requires electrical power for four or five hours per day, at least. (I should be using a scooter to get around the campground, according to my doctors, but I can't figure out how to get another one in the van.)

If I'm not one of the first 40 through the gate at landrush - to the Pecan Grove - we will NOT (legally) have a hookup and will not be able to stay. This means, usually, being in about the first 250 total in the lineup, and there will be at least that many rocks, tarps, tree limbs, inoperable utility trailers, etc., unattended but with "camping permits" in the pre-pre-lineup on the first "legal" day when you can enter for the "Pre-lineup."

If you are part of a group that can secure their area, you probably - if you camp light and don't need electricity - can come in and be "squeezed in" at almost any time, without doing the lineup and landrush. That depends largely on how friendly your camp is, and how many "rules" the group is willing to break.

If you don't need the electrical hookup, you can bring a (small-to-medium) tent in at anytime, and can find a place to camp.

Water connections, via "community" garden hoses, frequently are extended far beyond where the electricity goes, although the pressure may be almost undetectable at the down-end; and (if we're there) I can probably loan you a garden cart if you need to "lug it" from a more remote water tap - if you can supply the bucket. (I do need the cart back, during the festival, since I use it to portage my blackwater to the dump - but I don't usually spill much on the cart.)

There are on-site "public showers" if you feel the urge to smell less bad.

There are on-site "fast food" vendors of a sort during "business hours," and the town has several "acceptable" restaurants. The Wally converted to a "super store" a year ago, so you can get some groceries there, and they seem to have an unusually good stock of camping and RV gear not carried by most WMs. It's next door to a Dillons market, and back down a different road there's another small market.

John


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