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BS: Send Rove to jail

katlaughing 18 Jul 08 - 11:32 AM
dick greenhaus 18 Jul 08 - 01:22 PM
Ebbie 18 Jul 08 - 02:57 PM
Alice 18 Jul 08 - 03:22 PM
Bobert 18 Jul 08 - 03:32 PM
Don Firth 18 Jul 08 - 03:55 PM
van lingle 18 Jul 08 - 03:55 PM
DougR 18 Jul 08 - 05:02 PM
CarolC 18 Jul 08 - 05:14 PM
Riginslinger 19 Jul 08 - 10:46 AM
Stilly River Sage 19 Jul 08 - 10:49 AM
Tweed 19 Jul 08 - 10:51 AM
Donuel 19 Jul 08 - 12:11 PM
dick greenhaus 19 Jul 08 - 12:35 PM
Riginslinger 19 Jul 08 - 11:12 PM
Stilly River Sage 19 Jul 08 - 11:41 PM
Amos 19 Jul 08 - 11:43 PM
Amos 19 Jul 08 - 11:59 PM
katlaughing 20 Jul 08 - 12:04 AM
Riginslinger 20 Jul 08 - 09:25 AM
Stilly River Sage 20 Jul 08 - 02:29 PM
alanabit 20 Jul 08 - 02:47 PM
Don Firth 20 Jul 08 - 03:53 PM
Riginslinger 20 Jul 08 - 07:10 PM
Don Firth 20 Jul 08 - 08:31 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 20 Jul 08 - 10:24 PM
Riginslinger 20 Jul 08 - 10:28 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 20 Jul 08 - 10:28 PM
alanabit 21 Jul 08 - 08:42 AM
pdq 21 Jul 08 - 10:01 AM
Teribus 21 Jul 08 - 02:19 PM
DougR 21 Jul 08 - 05:16 PM
DougR 21 Jul 08 - 05:20 PM
TIA 21 Jul 08 - 05:33 PM
Don Firth 21 Jul 08 - 08:52 PM
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Subject: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Jul 08 - 11:32 AM

click Here for video and petition


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 18 Jul 08 - 01:22 PM

It won't happen. But it should.


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Jul 08 - 02:57 PM

Well, I signed. And I was happy to forward the video and petition to some of my rigidly-right friends.

If we, as a country, let Rove get away with this, we, as a country, have lost something irretrievable, imo.

Thanks, kat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: Alice
Date: 18 Jul 08 - 03:22 PM

I got this email today, too, wondered if there would be a thread on it.
Bush, Cheney, Rove, round them all up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Jul 08 - 03:32 PM

Well, it probably won't happen but I did hear on NPR today that several people in the Bush administration might find traveling to foriegn countries scarey after Bush is officially out for fear of being nabbed and put before the World Court for war crimes... Them being scared is, at the very least, a good start...

But I'll sign the petition...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Jul 08 - 03:55 PM

Just signed the petition.

There are a lot of people in the Bush administration who seem to think that they are above the law. It's about time to jerk them up short and make examples of them--to forstall any aspiring future slimeballs.

Karl Rove is a disgrace to anything on the evolutionary scale higher that a leech.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: van lingle
Date: 18 Jul 08 - 03:55 PM

I signed the petition but I'm a little worried that Karl might prove to be a bad influence on the other hardened criminals in the joint.


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: DougR
Date: 18 Jul 08 - 05:02 PM

Round 'em all up and slap them with a wet noodle, eh Alice? :>)

Seriously, if the Special Counsel that railroaded Scooter Libby couldn't find anything to charge Karl Rove with, what leads you folks a petition is going to do it?

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: CarolC
Date: 18 Jul 08 - 05:14 PM

He is in contempt of Congress. That's enough right there. After he's testified under oath (if they have the spine to haul him in), they no doubt will have plenty more to charge him with.


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Jul 08 - 10:46 AM

What would happen to Karl Rove in jail?


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Jul 08 - 10:49 AM

Nothing. He'd go to one of those country club prisons and play golf every afternoon.


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: Tweed
Date: 19 Jul 08 - 10:51 AM

I'm thinking that Karl Rove has got something on most of the people in Congress and this has gotta be the only reason they don't go after him. He's too intelligent not to leave himself a way out if things got real sticky. The guy is smart (he managed to make W look good enough to get elected twice....somehow) but unfortunately he sided with the Dark Side.


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jul 08 - 12:11 PM

It could happen but it should happen later rather than sonner or you know who will pardeon him.

Additional charges of his direct involvment in dixcarding the votes of soldiers and other vote tampering charges are also key to restoring justice to our system.


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 19 Jul 08 - 12:35 PM

The purpose of laws (and enforcement of same) is to discourage people from doing things that are contrary to the public good. If you don't enforce them, there are, effectively, no laws.


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Jul 08 - 11:12 PM

"Nothing. He'd go to one of those country club prisons and play golf every afternoon."


                      Why do we have those things? Remember Michael Milkain(sp?), the junk bond king. He bilked thousands of people out of their life savings, went to one of those country club places, and when he got out, a major university (Harvard of someplace) hired him to teach graduate students how to bilk people out of their savings.


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Jul 08 - 11:41 PM

Actually, I wish there were more of them. "Traditional" prisons have such an intense critical mass of people that they make hardened criminals out of a lot of folks who would do better with probation and community service.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: Amos
Date: 19 Jul 08 - 11:43 PM

Well, sure, it's a dirty job, but someone has to teach them how to do it!



A


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: Amos
Date: 19 Jul 08 - 11:59 PM

I believe if the truth were known that Rove would make the Watergate conspirators lok like a bunch of Puritan pantywaists. And they did a whole mess of time.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Jul 08 - 12:04 AM

I agree, Amos.


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: Riginslinger
Date: 20 Jul 08 - 09:25 AM

'"Traditional" prisons have such an intense critical mass of people that they make hardened criminals out of a lot of folks who would do better with probation and community service.'



                     We wouldn't want Karl Rove coming out just to run around and rob banks, would we.


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Jul 08 - 02:29 PM

A whole bunch of no-name folks do come out to rob banks, manufacture and sell drugs, rejoin gangs, participate in various sorts of crime they didn't know about until they went away.

Rove is a piece of shit, I wish he wasn't headed to such a posh prison, were he to go. But the facts of life are that a lot of people get sucked into a system and a pattern of recidivism that most of us are in communities that are poorer for it. That we're also poorer because of Rove is a separate issue.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: alanabit
Date: 20 Jul 08 - 02:47 PM

He is obviously a criminal, but I can't think of a criminal justice system in the world, which puts people like that away. Only fairly low to middling level criminals are subject to that sort of punishment.

"Steal a little and they throw you in jail
Steal enough and they call you king..."


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Jul 08 - 03:53 PM

I keep thinking of Karl Rove in relation to the political practices in that brief period in Renaissance Italy when the Borgias were making their bid for power. Maybe I'm weird, but it strikes me that there was something at least straightforward and "honest" about a dagger thrust in a dark hallway or a dose of poison slipped into a goblet of wine compared to the kind of character assassination and sometimes possibly exposing his victims to personal endangerment (Valerie Plame and the agents she worked with) through leaks and lies, as Rove does.

At least the Renaissance assassin exposed himself to discovery and danger in doing his dirty deeds. Rove just sits in his office like a spider in its web and issues his toxic vapors from behind the safety of his desk. Not to mention hiding behind Bush's skirts.

And I'd like to see Dick Cheney in the cell next to Rove's.

In fact, I'm making a list . . . checking it twice. . . .

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: Riginslinger
Date: 20 Jul 08 - 07:10 PM

If you're going to see who's been naughty or nice, I bet there won't be alot of names on the nice side.


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Jul 08 - 08:31 PM

As far as Bush himself is concerned, I'm content to leave him to the judgment of history. That's going to be bad enough, and there are indications that he is aware of it and is worried about it. I wonder if he'll ever realize that, from the start, he's been the patsy, the fall guy, intended to divert attention from those who have been pulling his strings and are profiting hugely from the mess?

He isn't smart enough to be a real villain. As either a president or a major bad guy, he's like a turtle on a fence-post. It's obvious that he doesn't belong there, he certain didn't get there by himself, and the most humane thing one can do is to help him get down, so he can go back to the activities that he is said to be good at:   clearing brush on the Crawford, Texas ranch and presiding over week-end barbeques.

I'd take a good, hard look at all those no-bid contracts.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Jul 08 - 10:24 PM

This is probably the 'least' of the things that he should be charged with!!!!..And really, (as suggested in the video) Do you actually think that swearing an oath on the Bible would matter to him??..or Clinton??..or Bush?? Frankly, all the above(and more) are guilty of treason, and perjury!! Let's not be partisan about this...the corruption to our system of constitutional government has been at work for a long time...under both parties!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: Riginslinger
Date: 20 Jul 08 - 10:28 PM

Will next issue of the New Yorker magazine have Obama swearing his oath on the Koran on the cover?


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Jul 08 - 10:28 PM

....Besides Bush would pardon him, anyway...just like Clinton pardoned a slug of them, just as he was leaving office.........but us??...better pay your parking ticket!


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: alanabit
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 08:42 AM

I don't think that sort of cynicism is any use to most people in the long run. I don't know of an era in history in which all people were really subject to the law equally. The best we can hope for is that most people are subject to most of the law for most of the time. The alternative is to live at the bottom of a food chain in which only gangsters hold any power all the time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: pdq
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 10:01 AM

"...alternative is to live at the bottom of a food chain in which only gangsters hold any power all the time."

That is the way things work in most of the world.

The standard unit of governance on planet Earth is the warlord.


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: Teribus
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 02:19 PM

Rove in jail yet??


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: DougR
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 05:16 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: DougR
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 05:20 PM

Sorry about that. No Teribus, Rove is still a free man. I think he will remain so. All Waxman (Congressman from California)and his committee have done since the Demos gained the majority in the House is hold hearings on one thing or another hoping to jail the top people in the administration. Results? Zilch. How much have the taxpayers invested in those fishing expeditions? Heaven only knows.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: TIA
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 05:33 PM

Far less than the investigations into Clinton by the Republican Congress is my guess.


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Subject: RE: BS: Send Rove to jail
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 08:52 PM

One set of investigations having to do with a bit of personal hanky-panky that had nothing to do with governing the country and the other about getting the country into a totally unnecessary war, revealing confidential information about CIA operatives and possibly endangering their lives as an act of petty vengeance against someone for insisting on adhering to the truth (no purchases of yellow cake by Iraq), not to mention a long string of violations of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. . . .

Yeah, I think there might be a qualitative difference here.

Don Firth


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