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Joe Offer 30 May 99 - 01:03 AM
bseed(charleskratz) 30 May 99 - 02:31 AM
Bill D 30 May 99 - 06:29 PM
GUEST,sarah b 18 Jul 04 - 01:29 PM
GUEST,SHANNON LEDFORD 19 Jul 04 - 05:07 AM
Scabby Douglas 19 Jul 04 - 07:27 AM
GUEST,Laura James 01 Apr 07 - 01:03 PM
Chip2447 01 Apr 07 - 06:00 PM
Jack Campin 01 Apr 07 - 07:10 PM
Giant Folk Eyeball (inactive) 01 Feb 08 - 12:35 PM
Jack Campin 01 Feb 08 - 05:05 PM
NormanD 01 Feb 08 - 06:18 PM
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Subject: Ocarina Lessons?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 May 99 - 01:03 AM

Catspaw's possum ocarina brings up a question I meant to ask:
I have a round, clay ocarina. It has six holes on the top, and two plus what appears to be an output hole on the bottom, plus a blow hole on the end. I guess that makes it a ten-hole ocarina, but is it?
Can anybody give me an idea how to finger this thing. The six holes on top start out big, and get smaller.
I found this four-hold ocarina fingering guide along with this, which is also for a four-holer.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Ocarina Lessons?
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 30 May 99 - 02:31 AM

Joe, if any of the holes looks like a possum's ass, blow through it and try blocking various of the other holes. You oughta be able to find a tune in it after a while: That's essentially the way I learned to play harmonica.

--seed


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Subject: RE: Ocarina Lessons?
From: Bill D
Date: 30 May 99 - 06:29 PM

Joe...I posted on the OTHER thread...yes..I have those...and maybe a chart...been playing ocarinas like that for years....will see what I can do....


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Subject: RE: Ocarina Lessons?
From: GUEST,sarah b
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 01:29 PM

I have an ocarin ajust like that and I also can not find any fingering charts. but there was a paper that came with it calling it a six holed ocarina. I also found a website with a similair ocarina on it which they were calling an aztec ocarina. Is it a ten holed ocarina, an aztec ocarina, or a six holed ocarina? please tell me if u can because it would help a lot in my search for a fingering chart.


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Subject: RE: Ocarina Lessons?
From: GUEST,SHANNON LEDFORD
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 05:07 AM

Ocarina Workshop Complete Kits of Ocarina and Book


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Subject: RE: Ocarina Lessons?
From: Scabby Douglas
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 07:27 AM

Are there any moves afoot (from the UN, or from the Geneva Convention or something) to make it compulsory to attend lessons when you buy an ocarina?

I have someone specific in mind.

It's not just a speculative enquiry.

If this were instituted, it could save a needless death (his), and a lengthy prison term (mine).   

Although I might just escape with probation, on grounds of severe provocation, and self-defence.


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Subject: RE: Ocarina Lessons?
From: GUEST,Laura James
Date: 01 Apr 07 - 01:03 PM

i have just purchased an orcarina actually just yesterday.
it is made of clay and has six holes on the top and mouth hole and outhole and two holes on the bottom like the six on the top
i've been looking for fingering charts but i've yet to find one sutable for mine
if you have any clues for me u may email me at redjaguar721@yahoo.com


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Subject: RE: Ocarina Lessons?
From: Chip2447
Date: 01 Apr 07 - 06:00 PM

This fine folks here can and will be of agreaat assistance to you

ocarina group

I'm certain you can find what you need here.

Chip (aself proclaimed ocarina geek)


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Subject: RE: Ocarina Lessons?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 01 Apr 07 - 07:10 PM

You have a Langley-type ocarina. They are shite. The only stupider design in wind instruments is a swannee whistle.

Hit it with a large hammer and get a real one:

http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/Music/Ocarina/ocarina.html

Italian-type ocarinas can play real music.


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Subject: RE: Ocarina Lessons?
From: Giant Folk Eyeball (inactive)
Date: 01 Feb 08 - 12:35 PM

Why oh why oh why?

I just downloaded Ewan McColl and Peggy Seeger's Bothy Ballads album from the Smithsonian.

It's an album I'm glad to have. Except... for annoying, chirpy, skiffle-like counter-melodies played on something that sounds like a cross between a bird caller and a gift out of a cheap christmas cracker. Do some people actually like these things? It was all over a couple of the tracks like a bad rash. Ugh!

Here's a challenge. Can someone point me in the direction of a recording were it adds rather than detracts?

Cheers

Nigel


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Subject: RE: Ocarina Lessons?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 01 Feb 08 - 05:05 PM

Just a note that my ocarina page is now at

http://www.campin.me.uk/Music/Ocarina/

I mention a couple of recordings there. You could also listen to some of the 1970s Syntagma Musicum recordings of mediaeval and Renaissance music - they used the gemshorn, which is basically the same thing.

I don't particularly like playing countermelodies on it as it's rather too intrusive. Better as a solo instrument.


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Subject: RE: Ocarina Lessons?
From: NormanD
Date: 01 Feb 08 - 06:18 PM

Nigel Spencer wrote:
"Here's a challenge. Can someone point me in the direction of a recording were it adds rather than detracts?"

1. "Wild Thing" - The Troggs
2. "Tonight Will Be Fine" - Leonard Cohen
3. There's a third one??

Norman


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Subject: RE: Ocarina Lessons?
From: Giant Folk Eyeball (inactive)
Date: 01 Feb 08 - 07:09 PM

"I don't particularly like playing countermelodies on it as it's rather too intrusive. Better as a solo instrument."

You know, that makes perfect sense. I'm going to check that link. Thanks, Jack.

Norman - Wild Thing! Now we're talking... except for that bloomin' ocarina solo!

Cheers

Nigel


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Subject: RE: Ocarina Lessons?
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Apr 08 - 04:32 PM

I just bought my 11 year old son an ocarina and it has 6 holes on it.but we cann't find a website to teach him how to play it.he really wants to learn


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Subject: RE: Ocarina Lessons?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 23 Apr 08 - 06:39 PM

Hit it with a hammer and get him an Italian type. The repertoire for six-hole English ocarinas is inane crap and their fingering system is tortuously bizarre. The Italian ones can play the entire bagpipe repertoire and then some (as they are more chromatic than a bagpipe with a range up to a major third wider), with fingering principles that transfer to or from other woodwinds.

I have a (rough) fingering chart for those on my website:

http://www.campin.me.uk/Music/Ocarina/

But as I point out there it makes no sense as a first instrument - it's far too difficult to play accurately in tune.


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Subject: RE: Ocarina Lessons?
From: Tootler
Date: 23 Apr 08 - 06:59 PM

Blue Clicky for link to Jack Campin's website

http://www.campin.me.uk/Music/Ocarina/


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Subject: RE: Ocarina Lessons?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Apr 08 - 08:08 PM

Ocarinas are Helmholtz Resonators.

QUOTE

An ocarina is essentially a Helmholtz resonator where the area of the neck can be easily varied to produce different tones.

UNQUOTE


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Subject: RE: Ocarina Lessons?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 04:30 AM

Do they come in fixed keys like tin whistles or are they chromatic?


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Subject: RE: Ocarina Lessons?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 04:41 AM

I've just read this article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocarina but it doesn't say if they're keyed or not.

Anyone know?


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Subject: RE: Ocarina Lessons?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 05:03 AM

Look at the page on my site.

They are in fixed keys (what woodwind isn't?) but they're easy to crossfinger - in fact they're probably the most flexible of all woodwinds from that viewpoint. Not just semitones, you can find fingerings for Middle Eastern microtonal scales.

They have been made with keys but that's to get extra range rather than in-between notes - picture on my site.


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Subject: RE: Ocarina Lessons?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 07:56 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmholtz_resonance


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Subject: RE: Ocarina Lessons?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 07:57 AM

http://www.campin.me.uk/Music/Ocarina/


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Subject: RE: Ocarina Lessons?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jul 08 - 06:41 AM

sturggling to find fingering chart for six hole ocarina. i only wanna know the notes and im finding it impossible to find a site that can help. some one please help me. thanks kirsty


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Subject: RE: Ocarina Lessons?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 01 Jul 08 - 11:09 PM

Basically - it's a Helmholtz resonator, so it's not like a whistle or other woodwind - where the length of the resonating tube is important. Basically, the principle is just that the more holes opened, the lower the resonant pitch.

So this may help your thinking till you find more useful instructions.

Now the actual size of each of the holes affects things too, so unless you have perfect pitch or use a tuner, then the order of opening/closing the holes will be important.


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Subject: RE: Ocarina Lessons?
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 02 Jul 08 - 06:00 AM

If you want to see some fingering on ocarina...just go onto Youtube and put 'Ocarina' in the SEARCH...watch and learn. Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: Ocarina Lessons?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 02 Jul 08 - 08:03 AM

The only listenable music for ocarina you'll find on YouTube is for the Italian type (nine to twelve holes, usually ten).

The Langley six-hole ones are musically useless. Just face up the fact that you made a mistake and buy a different instrument. You can get ten-holers in Chinese plastic or Bulgarian clay models just as cheaply as the Langleys. They don't look as cool but they work as real instruments.

Remember to wear eye protection or to cover it with a cloth when smashing that six-holer. I recommend a two-pound hammer or a brick.


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Subject: RE: Ocarina Lessons?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Jul 08 - 09:02 AM

I've seen really nasty translucent flourescent plastic Chinese ones for less than AUD$5 in the 'Cheapariams'.


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Subject: RE: Ocarina Lessons?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 02 Jul 08 - 02:18 PM

I've looked on EBay shops for them, and for some reason those transparent plastic ones are only available via Australia. I've never seen one in the UK. I'd rather like one (to match the transparent green recorder you can see me playing in pictures on my website) but the shipping would cost as much as it's worth.


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Subject: RE: Ocarina Lessons?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Jul 08 - 07:52 PM

Maybe you will be Secret Santa'd in future Jack - just put it on your list for this year.... :-)


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