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Subject: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Polite Guest
Date: 11 Jun 08 - 04:29 PM

Do you find your myspace pages have helped sell your music, or not?

Please feel free to put your page links on here.


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 11 Jun 08 - 05:18 PM

Definitely. It sold CDs for me, got me at least a dozen gigs, and more important, made me a number of good friends with whom I keep in touch regularly. http://www.myspace.com/georgepapavgeris


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Def Shepard
Date: 11 Jun 08 - 05:23 PM

I don't have one becauseI don't need one.


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Gene Burton
Date: 11 Jun 08 - 05:24 PM

Yes.

(BTW, if people are curious, keep an eye on the site over the next few weeks. I've just recorded half a dozen trad songs which I plan to trim down into proper tracks and upload, when I get the time.)

--end of plug--


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 11 Jun 08 - 05:28 PM

It DOES give the artist a point to indicate to prospective bookers where to hear what the aretist does !


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: RTim
Date: 11 Jun 08 - 05:51 PM

I think it is helpful because you can very easily put up examples of your music - at NO cost, and change them as often as you wish - as well it is great making so many friends who share similar interests as you.

Tim Radford
http://www.myspace.com/timradford


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jun 08 - 06:15 PM

I want to start a page but I always stop when I get to "genre" of music. I'm uncertain as to my "genre"!
I write country...I write blues....I write folk...I write pop...ballads....
Anyone else have a problem selecting a "genre" for themselves?


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 11 Jun 08 - 06:22 PM

I love it. It's a great way to let potential promoters, venues, prospective new band members, etc have easy access to your music, and to keep updated info available. We found our former fiddle player through Myspace too.

Sue


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: JedMarum
Date: 11 Jun 08 - 06:36 PM

Myspace can be very beneficial to your music business. It has been very helpful to me - and I don't work it very hard. It is not really aimed at long-in-the-tooth folkies like myself - but there you go! It still works even so. Made lots of contacts, use it for promo purposes (it is a sort of on-line promotional package), and it has become a way for "fans" to contact me. I post MP3s and change them once a month or so. I allow downloads. I sell CDs and MP3s at other sites and people tell me they found me at Myspace.

By the way there is already a well established, well responded to thread listing Mudcat Myspace links - Click Here


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Peace
Date: 11 Jun 08 - 06:39 PM

GUEST: List yourself as a 'contemporary songwriter'.


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: GUEST,erinmaidin
Date: 11 Jun 08 - 06:46 PM

Thanks Peace! ...didn't even see that as an option...I'll go back and take a peek


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Jun 08 - 07:25 PM

I like it as a person who likes to buy new CDs. It gives me a chance to hear a good mix of what a CD may have and has helped me make up to mind to purchase or not.


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Polite Guest
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 02:33 AM

Thank you for your comments so far.

Further to my initial question above, a few more thoughts.

For those of you who also have 'main' sites, do you find your Myspace page to be more, less, or equally beneficial for your music as your main sites?

Also, for those people who use Myspace more as potential purchasers, as Katlaughing speaks of above, to 'get the feel' of an artist's music, do you choose Main Sites or Myspace as your first introduction to the music of an artist?

Has there been music you've discovered *purely because* of Myspace?

And lastly, if emailing someone else, about music you've recently bought/discovered, would you use a main site link to that artist, or their myspace page?



Or to put the above into one sentence:


Main Sites or Myspace and Why?


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Blowzabella
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 03:34 AM

One problem with Myspace, though, is that it is blocked from work (I work for a local authority). Bands email us and send a link to their Myspace sites, but we can't go on to listen to them, unfortunately. Demo CDs are still a requirement - depending on who you are trying to get to book you, of course.


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 04:23 AM

I did not book one act cos of their Myspace page - black writing over lotsa' background pictures = unreadable. (other acts put pics in a separate space, but not this one.)


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: mattkeen
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 04:37 AM

How to sell music on the net is a big subject mind, that involves lots of other elements.

I can see why it works for George as he already has a good profile etc.

Other thing about MySpace is its so easy that its not worth not having, if you see what I mean.

I think its also the modern equivalent of a business card


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Polite Guest
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 04:43 AM

"Other thing about MySpace is its so easy that its not worth not having, if you see what I mean."


Could you elaborate on that, please Matt, as I don't quite 'see what you mean'.


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 04:48 AM

I think it is useful but not as useful as putting music up on you tube,partly because I think you are mostly contacting other musicians rather than audience.but any publicity is useful.


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 05:44 AM

"Modern equivalent of the business card" - mattkeen got it right. I find mySpace complimentary to my website, not in competition with it, because it has different aims: quick spreading of the word, snippets etc whereas on my website I can go deeper with biographies, photos, links etc.

There has definitely been music that I would not have heard if it were not for mySpace, loads of excellent stuff.

My autosignature on email shows my website, however.


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Banjiman
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 05:44 AM

OK here we go. We started trying to get gigs for
Wendy Arrowsmith in February 2007.

We have since completed or have booked 72 gigs (mainly paid all "billed", some charity) including some fairly big festivals (Pickering, Dent, Lockerbie). Of these 51 have come through word of mouth/ in the flesh networking/ being been seen at other gigs etc.

20 have come directly through MySpace contacts. (I haven't included various other paid activities like W.I. parties, providing entertainment at sheltered accommodation etc, which provide reasonable music related income but aren't public gigs. Or things like Hiring Fairs/ open mics/ floorspots).

Of the 52 "non MySpace" gigs I estimate that MySpace/ You Tube have had some role in the planning of about 12-15 gigs either through messaging around organisation or as a promotional tool.

Looking at this from a geographical perspective, MySpace/ You Tube have proved useful tools for getting gigs outside of our localish area in particular.

The 1 remaining gig has come through Mudcat.

Having good "product" has also helped of course (bias, me, never!).

We also run
Kirkby Fleetham Folk Club . MySpace has proved pretty useful in promoting this and very useful for hearing possible acts. I'll do the stats on this some time as well!

Interestingly Mudcat has proved the best way of reaching an audience for the club outside our immediate geography though.

So a big thumbs up for MySpace from The Arrowsmiths'.

Paul


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Fidjit
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 06:04 AM

Good for you Wendy

I'm afraid that over here (Sweden)theres not that reaction.

Since December I've had 2864 hit on my myspace site and not one request to come and sing.
Although that might be because of some thing else. I get my gigs by personal contact.

It's a good business card though as 2864 says.
Probably most of the hits are by myspace/mudcat friends.
take a look and listen

Chas


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: evansakes
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 06:33 AM

Yes, very beneficial. At TwickFolk we use our MySpace site to preview music from our upcoming guests.

Easy to update for folks in a hurry (or lacking in technical skills)

One thing I would say though. If musicians are using MySpace as a calling card they'd better make sure they're good enough and that they're targetting the right places. It shouldn't be seen as a swift 'in-door' for the incompetant. It can lead to a lot of slammed doors in faces. I've lost count of the number of time-wasters sending awfully unsubtle and presumptuous messages about gigs along the lines of "How do I book your venue?" or "Please get back to me with a list of your avails" etc. You still need to know how to market yourself effectively if you're going to be successful.

Another thought. This is crucial. Keep your MySpace page simple and uncluttered. A simple backdrop that it's easy to read the print over. Less is more. Don't fill it up with hundreds of angry diatribes, 'YouTube' screens, soapboxes etc some of which you first put on there years ago. Even if you're preaching to a sympathetic audience people simply haven't got the time or inclination to scroll through reams and reams of info to find the one thing that might have been recently added that might be of interest to them. Nor to wait for several minutes while your front page loads up.

MySpace.com/TwickFolk


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: mattkeen
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 06:39 AM

My other point is really even if it is only of minimal benefit you might as well do it anyway as its so easy to set up.

YouTube as well if you have a bit of video footage.


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: evansakes
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 06:46 AM

That link didn't work....trying again

http://www.MySpace.com/TwickFolk


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Polite Guest
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 06:49 AM

Sorry Matt, that was my error. I failed to read the second 'not' in your post, and therefore read 'not worth having', hence my mild confusion. Thanks for clarifying it.


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: greg stephens
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 06:58 AM

It's cheap. it's cheerful, it's fun. The Boat Band has only had one for three weeks, I can't report any particular gig enquiries coming directly from it, but a few hundred people have had a look already, we've signed up a hundred or so friends. Some people have thousands of friends, seems a bit excessive as you can't glance quickly at their list.
I am trying to change the tunes now and again, seems sensible as people who are interested might come back more often if there are new things to hear from time to time. Makes it like a newsletter. I haven't cracked the video clip tecnology yet, but as soon as I've got a few spare hours I shasll try to get that sort of thing going via youtube as well.
Please have a look anyway, in case anybody could offer any helpful criticism.
www.myspace.com/boatbanduk


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Judy Dyble
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 07:05 AM

My myspace page has been brilliant, I have made a lot of new friends, found a lot of old friends and have discovered some fantastic music and musicians with whom I am collaborating on my next album.

Part of the trick is to listen to the music of anyone that wants to be a friend (if they have any music of course, some don't!) and open your ears to music that you might not otherwise consider..

I do also have my website, but it's much easier to update through myspace.

Judy
(hope these work)

http://myspace.com/judydyble

http://myspace.com/traderhorne


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: greg stephens
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 08:24 AM

Sorry, my previous link didn't work
Boat Band Myspace


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: bankley
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 08:26 AM

it's a virtual tool...."Ruppert's Land"
how it is used is up to the individual..
This free platform is esp. worthwhile to the Indie artist...
I've hooked up with people that I used to know long ago... and was pleased to find that they are still around and active.. vice versa
It's a convenient way to hear what others are doing.... and there are literally tens of millions of 'others'


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: mattkeen
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 09:36 AM

I have been really lazy with mine but here it is:

How do you do a link on here?
I can't work it out.


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: mattkeen
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 09:43 AM

OK idiot features, I've found it


My MySpace has been greatly reglegted, but there is a demo of a John Clare poem that I put to a tune of my own based on Turtle Dove, if any body wants to here's the link
MySpace Matt Keen


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Polite Guest
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 09:51 AM

I was going to post this, in answer to your question, Matt, but you've worked it out. Well done. Rather than wipe it out though, I'll post it anyway, just in case others aren't too sure of how to do links.

How To Make A Link

1. Click on the 'blue clicky' link, bottom of the page. It takes you to another page.

2. Once there, 'copy and paste' your Myspace address into the 'Link URL' box.

3. If you want to give your link a 'title' such as 'Matt Keen's Myspace Page' write that in the box directly below.

4. Press 'Create Link' and go to the next page.

5. Press 'Test Link' to ensure it takes you to the page you intended, then look for this bit, at the top,, "Cut and paste this into your post, copy the bit directly underneath it.

6. Paste it into your message.

7. Press 'preview', then 'Submit Message' and that will let you test the link, one last time.

8. Hit 'Submit' whilst crossing fingers tight.

9. Make cup of tea and treat yourself to some chocolate for finally figuring it out.


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 10:20 AM

http://www.myspace.com/dickmiles


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 11:17 AM

Hi Kids!: My thoughts on this have been written in other threads so I'll try to repeat as little as possible.

If you want to know if myspace pages are beneficial, ask yourself this question: "Why doesn't COKE stop advertising?" They are everywhere. T.V., Billboards, P.O.P. ...Why blow a billion dollars in advertising dollars for a product that is known by nearly everybody on the planet?

As a musician, I suggest you take every opportunity to keep your name in the public eye.
Aw, myspace is for musicians. I don't want competiton, I want to sell my CD's. I want AUDIENCE. Sure, don't we all? But if you remain myopic, and refuse to expand your vision, you are limiting yourself and your music from being seen and heard by whole new audiences you would never have DREAMED would be interested...

My stats? Approximately 35, 000 emails sent, 10,200+/- MySpace friends, (and may God Bless each and every one of them.) YouTube: 3200+/- plays. That's in 2 MONTHS! Video seen in over 51 countries and counting. #4 in Modern Electric Blues on NMC New Music Canada(CBC)....

Is myspace worth it? YES. Here's the formula: Take how much time and effort you put into
PROMOTION of your music, and subtract that from the amount of time you spend doing NOTHING, and it will give you some form of ratio as to your success. LOL

Friends: The digital revolution is upon us...100,000,000+iPods sold.(And, if you don't know what an iPod is...O Boy!) I want to be part of that. Remember, the best minds in the world are working on where all this is going, and especially the mix on how music will be distributed... Again, I suggest you read, "The Long Tail", by Chris Anderson, Editor-in-Chief of WIRED magazine...

It's like that Lemonade stand you talked your mother into helping you with during some summer long ago...Lemonade was sold. Money was made...
Or maybe you just went out in the back yard and played...

bob


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Marion
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 01:49 PM

Polite Guest said: "Also, for those people who use Myspace more as potential purchasers, as Katlaughing speaks of above, to 'get the feel' of an artist's music, do you choose Main Sites or Myspace as your first introduction to the music of an artist?"

I'd rather go to myspace because the MP3s there always work for me with no hassle. When people put their audio samples on their own websites, often I don't end up hearing the samples - something would have to be installed first, or things start loading and never finish...

Jed said: "and it has become a way for "fans" to contact me."

Why the quotation marks? You can just call us fans, or Jedheads. Or you implying that myspace is good way to meet stalkers or groupies? :)

Guest Bob R. said: "10,200+/- MySpace friends, (and may God Bless each and every one of them.)"

As a relative newcomer to myspace, I don't quite understand what the point is of building up a huge friend list ... what is the benefit to you or to them? I'm not trying to criticize, just trying to understand. At first I just linked to people that I know in real life or Mudcat, then I started getting friend invitations from strangers... I approved them as long as their sites were music-related, but I'm not sure why they asked me.

Marion
www.myspace.com/marionparsons


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 02:48 PM

Marion: The spirit of MysSpace is a bit difficult for some folks to understand. I have met people who want to confine their friends lists to local/regional contacts and to people they know. Others, like myself, took the global view. For me, all would be welcome. I do screen out the occasional network marketer, people with political/religious agendas, and the out and out freakoid...

There was a time about a year ago, if you had a lot of friends, that spammers might try to hijack your site to send illicit emails...

But all in all, Myspace has been good for me, friend req's come in all the time...Now if you check out my friends, you will find a lot of fashion people, vintage clothiers who run their own small businesses, film people, booking agencies, promo people, at least 1000+ radio stations, internet, satellite, college, mainstream...Since I'm a Marketing guy, I think this is a good thing.

If you are concerned about the bad guys, you have near limitless control of who gets in, who gets blocked, spammers. All can be eliminated with a click...

I hope your myspace experience will be a pleasant one, and remember to read all the info MySpace has provided on the site. It should ease any fears...
bob


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: GUEST,Willy Nilly
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 02:54 PM

Myspace, a marketers dream come true, and that, for me, is the sum total of it, and it's ilk (Facebook etc.)


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Marion
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 03:11 PM

Hi Bob, and thanks for getting back to me.

But I still don't understand. I'm not really concerned about the safety aspects of a friends list - I just don't get what the purpose of the big friend list is.

As a comparison, I know that on Facebook (not a member myself) you have to be friends with somebody to see the material they put up... but that's not the case with Myspace. So what benefits or privileges does friendship confer?

I know that friendship allows you to send private messages, but surely you're not having ongoing dialogues with thousands of people, or are you?

I suppose the friends list might be a form of recommendation, i.e. "if you like my music you might also like these folks...". But if that were the intention, again I'd want to keep the list small... aren't people more likely to check out your top 10 recommendations than to pick randomly from thousands of names?

Take care, Marion


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 03:42 PM

Marion:
The purpose of the big friend list is exposure. While I may not be in continual contact with all of these people, a lot of people in the business know who I am. It opens the door to the one Nashville producer looking for the song that will complete an artist's album. Or, It could be
a Los Angeles Music Supervisor looking for material to complete a film.
I built this huge MySpace base because I know I can fulfill those kinds of needs.

I was in contact with the guy that does the music for Sesame Street a while back, a Conductor for film music in the U.K., and one of the writers from the Godfather & Gladiator and his nephew...If that alone is not worth all the work, I don't know what is. I also have been emailing back and forth to the Re-Mixer for Diddy & Christina Aguilera. Just to be able to talk recording techniques with somebody like that is invaluable...

Clearer?
bob


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: JedMarum
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 03:43 PM

yep - Myspace is just one piece of several on-line tools. I use it for more then a business card - it is actually a press pack for me.

My home page is more generic. It has news and a calendar - contact page - bio and publicity stuff, etc. I also use Youtube - and Youtube uses me. I have posted a number of videos on Youtube - and other people have posted some of my shows or recordings too. Both Myspace and Youtube have sold CDs and MP3s for me.

Please be sure you post your Myspace link info to the Mudcatters on Myspace thread too.

We'd like to keep us all in one place!


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Polite Guest
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 05:36 PM

Marion, I have a fair number of people on my page too, 'friends' that is, although not as many as Bob, but I may get there yet. :-)

Why do I have my page?   

Well, I'm not a musician, but my page is there to highlight and support those who are. It's there in defiance of a media who have shut so many doors in the faces of so many talented musicians, by the narrowing down of music played on radio and tv. It's my way of 'fighting back' and any help I can give to artists, by playing their music on my page or having them in my top 40, or within my other pages, I'll do.

I've musicians from all over the world, found some incredible, beautiful music, I've 'spoken' to people from all over the world too. During the Israel/Lebanon crisis I wrote to people from either side, just to wish them well, let them know they were being thought of on the other side of the world. They said it gave them comfort, made them feel 'less alone' It's a whole world, with no dictators in it, just people, finally without barriers.

Just the other week I went to Shakespeare's Globe Theatre, and sat beside a man who has now become a dear friend, purely because of Myspace. He came all the way over from New Jersey, not just to see me, but to visit other friends he's made in England too, also from Myspace. His lovely wife, sadly, is worried about flying, so wasn't able to come, but one day, we'll visit her. I found them because of a lovely man in China, whose page I just 'happened to find' one day - an American, who uses his page as a bridge for the world to meet upon.

Myspace Magic


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Marion
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 05:50 PM


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 05:51 PM

Polite Guest: It's good that you've made a statement, for I too have had similar dialogues with people from around the world. When things like this happen between people in a one on one, very human way, it makes me feel like we can get past the politicians and the media, and that we have a chance to keep this planet together a little while longer...

It gives people time to think, and to realize, "hey, their not so bad over there after all..."

Because of one of my songs, "The Ghost of Elvis", I've had several mother's whose children have died contact me, asking to be friends...

Peace & Blessings...
bob


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Marion
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 05:52 PM

Very interesting - thanks for your responses.

Marion


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: reggie miles
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 06:02 PM

MySpace is beneficial to me. The single best paying show I was ever hired to play happened via a contact made at MySpace. They found me, I didn't chase them. They liked what they saw at my page and offered me more $ than I've ever been offered to do the event. I provided them with what they wanted for the event. It was a match made in MySpace heaven.

My only wish was that it was more effective to gather local interest and attention. I've had rabid responses from fans on the other side of the globe and had little or no response locally for the same. Well, maybe it's true what they say about hometown prophets.

It's difficult to say exactly how much of an impact the site has but as some have already mentioned it's there, it's a free tool. So, you might as well use it. It doesn't cost you anything but time. If you've got the time, what could it hurt? And, it might just do you a world of good.

As musical artists we never know what will come of our pursuits. Putting our messages and music out there on a site like MySpace might influence someone else's life in profound ways that we never intended. There are, perhaps, those that wouldn't want that kind of exposure for their musical endeavors but I think that the vast majority of those who enjoy writing and sharing their music, songs and stories are happy to see what kind of an impact their efforts might reap by exposing their music to a global listening environment like the WWW and on sites like MySpace. That is at least part of the reason it has become such a popular site and it is one of the very reasons why the site was created.


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: muppitz
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 06:15 PM

My myspace page is useful as I have no idea about building my own web site so until I do, this serves as an adequate substitute!

muppitz
x
Tina Taylor


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 06:29 PM

Hasn't this been started just to get everyone to put up myspace pages again?

LOL

Sal


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Amergin
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 06:30 PM

Myspace to me is a great way to expose your music, I have used it on many occasions to get a feel for performers to see whether or not I may like their cds...if so I buy them (if I can afford it). It is in many ways more beneficial than just having a single webpage, because the only ones who tend to go to your site are people who are already exposed to your talents. That is just my feeling anyway.

I have some of my poetry on there, but I keep my page private. Also I am not posting anything that has not been posted before. Anything written after the first of this year, are no longer being posted online, unless it is a magazine wanting to publish it. They consider anything that has appeared online in any form to have been previously published.


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: kimsky
Date: 13 Jun 08 - 05:14 AM

I'm all in favour! I've got to hear music I never would have heard, corresponded with people I never would have otherwise met, and most thrilling of all, got my first solo gig at the opening night of a new folk club (BIG thanks to Paul and Wendy Arrowsmith and the KFFC)and I will be played on the radio in Australia next week! It's as an egalitarian way of getting music out there - you've got the 'big studio' produced professional sounds, the home-studio sounds (mine is all home recorded, without added software)- the whole gamut of genres...
www.myspace.com/wyrdguy


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Banjiman
Date: 13 Jun 08 - 05:21 AM

Kimsky said "got my first solo gig at the opening night of a new folk club (BIG thanks to Paul and Wendy Arrowsmith and the KFFC)"

I say, if you heard her (please take a listen on her MySpace page), you'd book her too!

The beauty is that Kimsky is in Cornwall, KFFC is in North Yorkshire, we would never have met her or heard her music without MySpace. One of quite a few friendships that have started for us via MySpace.

Miss Lemon said "Hasn't this been started just to get everyone to put up myspace pages again?" ......and the problem is?

Paul


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 13 Jun 08 - 05:54 AM

A rather old article, no longer up at the original MSNBC page:

quoting from my notes:

Recent data finds that an artist's 'wiki' chosen 2-to-1 over MySpace page

Billboard
updated 10:35 a.m. CT, Mon., March. 24, 2008

DENVER - Search for an artist on any of the popular search engines, and the top three results are practically guaranteed: the artist's official Web site, Wikipedia entry and MySpace page — often in that order.

But while artists and their handlers devote massive attention to the Web site and MySpace, the Wikipedia page is often overlooked. Recent data suggests they may want to reconsider their priorities.

According to data provided to Billboard from Yahoo — the second-most popular search engine on the Web after Google — those searching for artist information are selecting the Wikipedia entry link over artists' MySpace pages by a factor of more than 2-to-1. The Wikipedia entries are also more popular than artists' Web sites.

"The interest that people had to go to MySpace to find out more about their favorite band is waning in favor of going to Wikipedia," Yahoo head of programming and label relations John Lenac says. "In the last six months, it's surpassed it."

Yet when compared with the number of artist profiles on MySpace, Wikipedia entries are noticeably fewer. MySpace claims 3 million artist profiles. Wikipedia does not have an exact count of artist entries, but estimates that it's in the "tens of thousands," according to Wikipedia Foundation head of communications Jay Walsh.
Missed opportunity

What's more, because of Wikipedia's low profile relative to the MySpace hype machine, many artists and their managers remain ignorant of the resources available to them.

"There's been many people I've talked to that didn't even know they could upload a Wikipedia page," Lenac says. "There's been some managers that didn't even know what it was."

John


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Marion
Date: 13 Jun 08 - 11:33 AM

I'm a Wikipedia reader rather than a participant, but the impression I've gotten is that the Wikipedia community frowns on self-promotion (unlike myspace, where self-promotion is understood to be a major purpose of the site). I may be wrong, but I think Wikipedia etiquette expects you to modestly wait until somebody else finds you "notable" enough to write an entry about.

Marion


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: henryclem
Date: 13 Jun 08 - 11:44 AM

No question Myspace has been beneficial to me - it has been an enriching experience to hear so much good music and originality from people I would otherwise have known nothing of; and to extend beyond just the virtual acquaintanceships and meet (for the first time in person) people I already know. Just like Paul and Wendy I came across Kimski in this way and would add my recommendation to give her a listen.

And without Myspace I wouldn't be off up to KFFC next week : I wouldn't even have had a radar for it to be on!

Henry


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Marion
Date: 13 Jun 08 - 11:54 AM

Here's a link to Wikipedia's standards for including an article about a musician. The footnote near the bottom states that submitting a page about yourself is unwelcome.

Marion


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 13 Jun 08 - 12:03 PM

Marion -

Wikipedia expects the original posting to be done by someone who knows something about the subject. They do expect accurate and confirmable information, and you do open the door for others to make comments/corrections to what is posted, so a page needs to be monitored - especially at the beginning - to mke sure that you don't have inappropriate "additional information" posted by people who might not be helpful.

If you're the one who knows most about your "business" and history, then you're the one who needs to make the first post. If they believe it's inappropriate, they'll tell you before it appears and/or will ask for corrections or additional information.

You'd need to consult the Wiki FAQs on posting for the details; but numerous articles I've seen - especially on fairly specific tech subjects - are quite obviously written by corporate advertising hacks or "company bloggers." Most "politicians" of any note, and quite a few "journalists," have Wiki pages that they, or their lackeys, wrote themselves.

John


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Marion
Date: 13 Jun 08 - 12:34 PM

Hi John. Did you read footnote 1 in my link above? I looked deeper and found a more detailed guideline here: Wikipedia: Autobiography.

Marion


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Def Shepard
Date: 13 Jun 08 - 12:35 PM

"Hasn't this been started just to get everyone to put up myspace pages again?"

It seems so.


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: dwditty
Date: 13 Jun 08 - 03:51 PM

MySpace takes vitually no effort to set up. It cost nothing. You do not have to maintain it unless you wish to. If you make music, I don't see a downside to setting one up whether it works or not.

Withour trying to be a wise-ass, why is there so much discussion (at times heated) about matters of little consequence one way or another? Just curious.

dw


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Def Shepard
Date: 13 Jun 08 - 03:57 PM

What doesn't matter to you perhaps matters to someone else, it's that simple. You seem to be making more fuss about setting up a page on myspace, than others are. All I said I was, I have no need of a myspace page, therefore why would I want to set one up, end of story.


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 13 Jun 08 - 09:09 PM

Kimski's link doesn't work...


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: greg stephens
Date: 14 Jun 08 - 06:28 AM

Muppitz' remark that Myspace is good practise for doing a website sems good sense. You can fool around easily with your Myspace site, changing the look and contact, and hopefully get a bit of feedback to let you know if you are getting whart you want out of it. Then it would be time to invest time and/or money in a fulkly-fledged website. That's the state we are in at the Boat Band Myspace    site: playing around for a few weeks, then we will go for a website as well.
    Picking up on what Marion said earlier: I'm not convinced that having loads of friends is a good idea. I find having a flip through a band's friends can indicate the mileu they operate in, what sort of people they are etc. This is not possible if they have 5000 friends, including Bob Dylan, Amy Winehouse, Marylin Monroe and a host of scantily clad young ladies.


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jun 08 - 07:42 AM

http://www.myspace.com/jalisherrifokonteh
http://www.myspace.com/thesussexpistols
http://www.myspace.com/royaloakfolklewes


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: kimsky
Date: 14 Jun 08 - 01:51 PM

http://www.myspace.com/wyrdguy

Suegorgeous - sorry! I hadn't 'tested' it - this one does!


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: greg stephens
Date: 22 Jun 08 - 04:11 PM

Myspace changed its format in various ways four or five days ago. I've noticed that since that happened the number of people turning up on my Boat Band site has rapidly dropped to a tiny handfull. Has anybody else experienced this. It may be that we are experiencing a catastrophic drop in popularity, but I can't help feeling that there must be a connection.


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Rockhen
Date: 22 Jun 08 - 04:13 PM

My site has been playing up a bit, too. Maybe it is a temporary glitch? I hope so.


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Gene Burton
Date: 22 Jun 08 - 05:02 PM

I just assumed it was because my name's on a blacklist.


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 22 Jun 08 - 05:27 PM

"Hasn't this been started just to get everyone to put up myspace pages again?"

It seems so


To echo Paul... and once again, the problem is?...



I love Myspace. It's better than any record shop I've ever been in. It's a magical world of fab new music. With no pressure to buy.


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Subject: MySpace value for Musicians/Bands?
From: Fortunato
Date: 28 Sep 08 - 08:56 AM

Seeing Greg Stephens thread about his MySpace has me wondering.

Have you folk who use it found that it was of value? Do you feel it has helped to increase awareness of your music? Increase CD sales? Obtain bookings? Improve bookings?

Other benefits?

regards,
chance


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Fortunato
Date: 28 Sep 08 - 10:46 AM

Thanks, Joe for combining the thread.


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 28 Sep 08 - 10:53 AM

Hi Kids: If you are a musician and you're not on MySpace, it's like not having a phone. You could be a local hero at the Pub, but as far as being on the world stage...You are nowhere...

It's called ADVERTISING & PROMOTION...

And why anyone in this business would not take EVERY opportunity to promote themselves is just beyond me...BR


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: Dave (Bridge)
Date: 28 Sep 08 - 12:14 PM

I have a ceilidh band and since we have been on Myspace, getting bookings are much easier. Most people want to see/hear us before taking the plunge. It is so much easier to deirect them to the videos on myspace. 9 times out of ten they confirm the booking. Like wise for those who do not know much about ceilidhs.


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: GUEST,Peace
Date: 28 Sep 08 - 01:08 PM

What Dave said. Otherwise, I think it's a waste of time.


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: GUEST,a pro musician guest
Date: 28 Sep 08 - 02:52 PM

Questions on recent page visit counts ... Myspace had a note up saying the "play count" for visits to the new jukebox software were way off and the problem would be fixed soon; they hoped. My play counts were in the thousads per day - and I know that's not right.

I think the site in general is a good thing. Very beneficial to folks making music, and it seems almost a requirement for folks making a living or at least some income from music.

It's easy to use, interesting to browse and pretty open as to what you want to do with it. They have worked hard to make the spammers go away and have also worked hard to help you avoid the hackers.

I also use Youtube and have benefited from my vdieso there and from other people putting up videos of my shows. Both Youtube and Myspace have helped me sell music (CDs and gigs). I am not a facebook user or at least not much of a user. I couldn't figure it out and didn't want to take the time to learn it. It didn't seem aimed at the professional "networking" sort of activities I am interested in. It seemed more social focused. I could be wrong about that, but that is my initial judgement.

Myspace can be annoying sometimes, in the way new software rolls out - they have bumps and hiccups for a while with the way things run after software upgrades, but on the whole, it's a pretty good product. And you can't beat the price.

Myspace functions as my on-line promo kit.


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Sep 08 - 04:18 PM

as a punter rather than an artist if I am browsing for a song, performer or type of music YouTube is infinitely better - I've made many discoveries on YouTube and none that I didn't already know of on MySpace

if I find an artist with a MySpace site and not one of their own I presume they are a lightweight

unless it is a very poor one an artists own site is always better

that said you've got to have a MySpace site because it's expected and someone is going to ask

Norcsalordie MySpace

Norcsalordie own site

my latest discovery on YouTube

Ed Mulrooney - Botany Bay

and another

Stella Art Wars - Blackleg Miner


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: GUEST,Rafflesbear
Date: 28 Sep 08 - 04:19 PM

sorry - last post was me


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Subject: RE: Myspace pages - Beneficial Or Not?
From: GUEST,Jeff
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 02:13 AM

Yes, very beneficial. We set up links to 3 different myspace pages by going to www.jonesongs.com first and our respective visits and plays have gone up dramatically w/t links. I've been ecouraged to release a collection of trad songs and my wife's scored co-write agreements/appoinments w/several top name Nashville writers as a result of publisher reps listening to her tracks on myspace. We're going to release a sampler of the Jonesongs catalog commercially and what you hear on the Catalog-Listen section are some of the songs were considering. I've been contacted by a major label liason(whatever the fuck THAT is) as someone from their office reviewed my songs on myspace and they want to set up a meetinng w/me. W/o the internet presence the chances of that happening are slim and none.


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