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BS: Which is finest Cyrano De Bergerac film?

Little Hawk 26 Mar 08 - 02:22 PM
GUEST,lox 26 Mar 08 - 02:28 PM
GUEST,meself 26 Mar 08 - 02:40 PM
GUEST,Jim Dixon 26 Mar 08 - 02:53 PM
Little Hawk 26 Mar 08 - 02:56 PM
autolycus 26 Mar 08 - 03:04 PM
M.Ted 26 Mar 08 - 06:41 PM
Stilly River Sage 26 Mar 08 - 06:54 PM
The Walrus 26 Mar 08 - 10:15 PM
Don Firth 26 Mar 08 - 10:50 PM
Little Hawk 27 Mar 08 - 01:19 AM
Stilly River Sage 27 Mar 08 - 01:57 AM
autolycus 27 Mar 08 - 02:41 AM
Big Al Whittle 27 Mar 08 - 06:10 AM
Don Firth 27 Mar 08 - 03:18 PM
Stilly River Sage 27 Mar 08 - 03:38 PM
Desert Dancer 27 Mar 08 - 05:11 PM
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Big Al Whittle 27 Mar 08 - 07:27 PM
Stilly River Sage 28 Mar 08 - 02:15 AM
Big Al Whittle 28 Mar 08 - 05:20 AM
Anne Lister 28 Mar 08 - 05:58 AM
Peter T. 28 Mar 08 - 11:57 AM
GUEST,Neil D 28 Mar 08 - 12:14 PM
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Subject: BS: Which is finest Cyrano De Bergerac film?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Mar 08 - 02:22 PM

Just wondering on people's opinions about this.

Some may mention "Roxanne" with Steve Martin, and I agree that it's a great movie, but I am asking about those movies which do the original story in the original setting in France, with the original Cyrano De Bergerac character.


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Subject: RE: BS: Which is finest Cyrano De Bergerac film?
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 26 Mar 08 - 02:28 PM

That's easy!

"Jean de florettes"

Without any shadow of a doubt!


Hey I've just realised that you didn't say Gaerard Depardieu, you said Cyrano de Bergerac.

Well tough!

I will stick with my answer however as I think it remains a strong competitor in even the most irrelevant category.


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Subject: RE: BS: Which is finest Cyrano De Bergerac film?
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 26 Mar 08 - 02:40 PM

I've only seen the version with Jose Ferrar as Cyrano - are there others? It's hard to imagine anything could be an improvement on that one ...

I HAVE seen Roxane - I enjoyed it, but it's a different kettle of fish altogether.


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Subject: RE: BS: Which is finest Cyrano De Bergerac film?
From: GUEST,Jim Dixon
Date: 26 Mar 08 - 02:53 PM

I was in love with that play when I was in high school. I think I first became aware of it by seeing it on TV--probably some made-for-TV production like Playhouse 90 or something like that. I have no idea who the actors were, and I remember practically nothing about it, except that it inspired me to read the play, and since then, the images I get in my head from reading it overshadow everything else.


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Subject: RE: BS: Which is finest Cyrano De Bergerac film?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Mar 08 - 02:56 PM

Jose Ferrer was great in that part, no question about it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Which is finest Cyrano De Bergerac film?
From: autolycus
Date: 26 Mar 08 - 03:04 PM

I haven't seen the Ferrer. The Depardieu, dir.Rappeneau, is wonderful, so lovely, one of my favourite films.

The Steve martin is a delight. imo

Ivor


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Subject: RE: BS: Which is finest Cyrano De Bergerac film?
From: M.Ted
Date: 26 Mar 08 - 06:41 PM

Saw Kevin Kline and Jennifer Garner do it on Broadway, only a couple months back. It was overwhelming--I've seen the movie versions several times each, but I still wasn't prepared for the impact that it has "live"--


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Subject: RE: BS: Which is finest Cyrano De Bergerac film?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Mar 08 - 06:54 PM

Last Sunday there was a version on the BBC radio (here) that you can listen to for a few more days. (The web site says it will be there for up to seven day after the broadcast). Kenneth Branagh was Cyrano.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Which is finest Cyrano De Bergerac film?
From: The Walrus
Date: 26 Mar 08 - 10:15 PM

I still prefer the Depardieu version.

W


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Subject: RE: BS: Which is finest Cyrano De Bergerac film?
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Mar 08 - 10:50 PM

I thought the Jose Ferrar version was pretty definitive. I haven't seen the Depardieu version. Yet. I think I'll put it on my NetFlix list.

Don Firth

P. S. Sorry, but I never could handle Steve Martin. I first saw him in a comedy program that the ABC network (I think it was ABC) put up against NBC's powerhouse, "Laugh-In" The ABC rip-off was just plain pathetic, except for Lily Tomlin. Within a couple of weeks, Laugh-In hired Lily Tomlin away from the ABC show, which was a real coup for both Laugh-In and Lily Tomlin. Shortly thereafter, the ABC comedy (?) show sank without a trace. I don't even remember who else was on the show besides Tomlin and Steve Martin, but every time I've tried to watch Steve Martin then and since, it strikes me that he fails to grasp the difference between "funny" and "silly."

Since I regard Cyrano de Bergerac to be a Sacred Text, I let "Roxanne" pass without notice.


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Subject: RE: BS: Which is finest Cyrano De Bergerac film?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 01:19 AM

I consider Cyrano sacred too, Don. Still, I have to say that I found "Roxanne" quite enjoyable in any case. I didn't really see it is conflicting with the original C d B. It stood well on its own merits simply as a modern romantic comedy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Which is finest Cyrano De Bergerac film?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 01:57 AM

Don, consider giving Steve Martin a second look. He's one of the brightest guys writing and making films today. Have you ever heard him on Charlie Rose? Look for the film we've mentioned in the film thread, All of Me (though I think Men In Plaid is pretty funny also). I'm sure NetFlix has it. It really is the height of sight gags and he makes it look effortless (though there are times when you know it had to hurt!)

I agree, he does do silly stuff, I can't watch all of it either. Like some of the Chevy Chase films, I can watch one and that's my limit for a while. But it isn't moronic, and that makes all the difference (think Adam Sandler).

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Which is finest Cyrano De Bergerac film?
From: autolycus
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 02:41 AM

I haven't seen Martin enough. he does come out, for me, with some funny linrs.

he began a speecg on receiving an award by daying,

"When I heard I'd been given this award, I went home from ad for three weeks I really tried to




care."


   Ivor


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Subject: RE: BS: Which is finest Cyrano De Bergerac film?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 06:10 AM

To us English, Bergerac will always mean John Nettles.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Which is finest Cyrano De Bergerac film?
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 03:18 PM

Okey dokey. I haven't seen any of Steve Martin's work lately. I'll give him another shot.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Which is finest Cyrano De Bergerac film?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 03:38 PM

He has written many screenplays, stage plays, and even updated versions of older European plays. I took the kids to see one put on at my university a couple of years ago. Very witty lines, and a clever resolution. The Underpants. Read the review at Amazon.

You could also look him up in The New Yorker. He's a frequent contributor.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Which is finest Cyrano De Bergerac film?
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 05:11 PM

Back to Cyrano...

I enjoyed both the Jose Ferrer and Gerard Depardieu renditions. I remember thinking that for the Depardieu one, they shouldn't have done anything to enhance his nose... at the time that it came out I hadn't seen much of the younger heart-throb Depardieu, and he was beginning to mature -- I didn't have the pre-conception of him as a really sexy guy. (I'm older now and appreciate him better...) I thought it would have been very effective for him to play Cyrano as someone who's not classically beautiful, but who imagines that he's much worse off than he really is... and convinces the rest of the world of that by his defensive behavior.

On the topic of swashbuckling, which is your favorite Three Musketeers?

~ Becky in Tucson


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Subject: RE: BS: Which is finest Cyrano De Bergerac film?
From: RangerSteve
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 06:43 PM

Favorite 3 Musketeers? the two part version with Michael York.


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Subject: RE: BS: Which is finest Cyrano De Bergerac film?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 07:27 PM

Gene Kelly. Balletic and sexually ambivalent......


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Subject: RE: BS: Which is finest Cyrano De Bergerac film?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Mar 08 - 02:15 AM

Gene Kelly "sexually ambivalent?" Surely you jest!

Rapaire, get out one of your swords and challenge this man to a duel! (Please?)


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Subject: RE: BS: Which is finest Cyrano De Bergerac film?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 28 Mar 08 - 05:20 AM

watch it again....


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Subject: RE: BS: Which is finest Cyrano De Bergerac film?
From: Anne Lister
Date: 28 Mar 08 - 05:58 AM

I loved the Depardieu version. Saw it when I was just getting over a bout of 'flu and at the end was mortally embarassed when I heard an enormous sob and realised it was me. Audible throughout the cinema.
But for a stage version, I'm still very taken with Robert Lindsay's performance at the Haymarket theatre in the West End. It started with him swinging onto the stage from one of the highest boxes ...and got better still from there!

Anne


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Subject: RE: BS: Which is finest Cyrano De Bergerac film?
From: Peter T.
Date: 28 Mar 08 - 11:57 AM

There was a wonderful Canadian production with Heath Lamberts from the Shaw Festival, which was by far the best I have seen (and I have seen lots!) and better than the films (the Depardieu one is not bad, except the last part doesn't really work). I have no idea if the Lamberts is available (it was shown on television).

I imagine Kevin Kline and Jennifer Garner would be sublime. Kline has just the right sardonic, witty side.

yours,

Peter T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Which is finest Cyrano De Bergerac film?
From: GUEST,Neil D
Date: 28 Mar 08 - 12:14 PM

I also love the Depardieu version. He's one of my favorite actors
since seeing Jean de Florette. Try to catch a young Depardieu playing against a young DeNiro in "1900". Great early performances by 2 emerging actors under the direction of Bernardo Bertolucci.
    As for "The Three Musketeers", the 1973 version with Michael York, Oliver Reed, Racquel Welch and Faye Dunaway directed by Richard Lester is by far my favorite.


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Subject: RE: BS: Which is finest Cyrano De Bergerac film?
From: RangerSteve
Date: 28 Mar 08 - 02:40 PM

A friend of mine saw the Kline/Garner version, and while Garner is a competent TV actress, she isn't that good on stage. It's a whole different kind of acting. And the scenery wasn't very good, either.


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Subject: RE: BS: Which is finest Cyrano De Bergerac film?
From: GUEST,Neil D
Date: 28 Mar 08 - 03:58 PM

Speaking of Musketeers, Go Xavier!


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Subject: RE: BS: Which is finest Cyrano De Bergerac film?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Mar 08 - 04:08 PM

I've seen Kline onstage--he is very good. Really at home there.


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