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BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God

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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: TheSnail
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 07:16 PM

Could the GUEST.Ed who started this thread be in any way related to the GUEST.Ed who started this thread I wonder?


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Peace
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 06:53 PM

"RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God"

I'd like to believe that there is a Guest,Ed who's gonna come back to this thread. These threads started by guests who post once or twice then disappear gimme a pain in the










                                              and that's all for now.


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Amos
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 06:29 PM

And where your AUthority to Instruct Anyone about Everything was signed...not that I should talk... :)



A


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 06:27 PM

"I wouldn't recommend you spend a lot of time trying to convince Bill of anything, but it's your lookout."

Little Hawk knoweth whereof he speaketh.

"Bill: This world is a delusion. Only you can create what is "objectively true." But you must understand that that particular objectivity is for you alone..."

Oh, mercy..I went thru that in college Philosophy classes for years! You are basically putting a semi-mystical spin on the philosophy of David Hume. You can, as Hume did, argue that viewpoint, but in daily life, your very well-being depends on pragmatically acting otherwise.

As Little Hawk can vouch for, I have some pretty pointed ideas on what can and cannot be 'subjectively' true.

I am sorta curious about how you came to this "world as delusion" stance, though.


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 02:02 AM

Apaloosa Lady---long winded, but dead right. God is Love, pure and simple.


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 10:46 PM

KT: "I would never be a member of a group that would have me as a member..." - "borrowed" from Groucho Marx...
Thanks for the sentiments...I would prefer to keep things as they are for now...
bob


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: KT
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 10:02 PM

Bob, I like what you have to say.

Why not join and become a regular instead of a guest?


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 09:55 PM

Mindshock...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdOF9_akTNc

"May The Sacred Heart of Jesus Be Loved, Honored, Adored, and Glorified, Forever and Ever..." Amen...

bob


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 09:08 PM

Okay.

I wouldn't recommend you spend a lot of time trying to convince Bill of anything, but it's your lookout.


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 09:04 PM

Little Hawk: Pray for Peace...Give Thanks for the Blessings that have been given to you...
bob


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 09:01 PM

Bill: This world is a delusion. Only you can create what is "objectively true." But you must understand that that particular objectivity is for you alone..."Reality" exists on a multiplicity of levels, at the same time...Once mind enters into the equation, all "objectivity" becomes subjective...bob


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 08:58 PM

"when you open yourself up to things like this, in a public forum, you run the risk of ridicule"

Don't I know it.

Bob, interestingly enough, the breath in my 2 nostrils is at that evening-out or balancing point right now...as close as I can tell. Usually it's strongly to one side or the other, but it seems about even right now.

Most of what you talk about is familiar to me. How would you suggest using that time of even breath?


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 08:47 PM

seems to me I've been thru this "you've got to believe in order to believe" thing before....

Once you really, really accept an idea, you subjectively see almost anything.

That's not what *I* want to do. I want to see everything I can about what is objectively true.


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 08:40 PM

Little Hawk: I hadn't heard of that particular reference, although it seems to be in line with Chinese thought on body mechanics. My old friend, Master Lee Shiu Pak(Yang Style Tai Chi) used to tell me he knew when a horse was going to win a race, he would go down to where they walked the horses before the race, to observe their Chi/breath. He then told me of his concern not to "take too much". Just enough to live, pay the rent, etc. He did pay for supper more than once. I miss him greatly.
But when you open yourself up to things like this, in a public forum, you run the risk of ridicule. The power of the subconscious mind has been well documented by a number of writers. Each of us has actually used it, although some may not be willing to further explore it's true power. They will dismiss it as a "lucky guess," the phone call you were expecting, the "coincidence" of meeting someone at an obscure location, finding the keys you lost, etc.
It and your superconscious are your "Guardian Angels," ready to protect you in emergencies. Your only requirement is to provide the faith/belief.
It is not my place to "convince" anybody of anything, nor is it to "win an argument."
But I do know that each of you reading this will experience a situation where the intervention of something beyond mere human existence will come into play.
Life is a school. We are students...
bob

Little Hawk: The time when the breath from both nostrils is equal is a time of power. Use it wisely...


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 07:26 PM

Hi, Bob. The back and forth cycle of breathing that occurs through the nostrils (cyling from one side to the other every couple of hours) is interesting. I've been told that when the left side is clear one is in the "Yin" (or cooling) cycle...when the right side is clear one is in the "Yang" (or warming) cycle. Is that the way you would describe it?


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: John Hardly
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 06:42 PM

"That's from another thread, John."

So I'm not reading in two threads? I can barely fathom it. I thought I'd covered it, but it seems to be ubiquehensive.


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 06:24 PM

And if it doesn't, you obviously were not sincere enough.


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 06:20 PM

Amos: It is with the utmost respect for you that I tell you these things. Namaste.The mind is a radio. It is capable of transcending distance and time. The Trobriand Islanders knew this hundreds of years ago and used telepathy to communicate. Until the white man interjected his belief that such things were not possible. The Voodoo practitioners use it to manipulate energy. Max Freedom Long talked about it at length in his "A Course in Miracles."
Rather than have me show you the article about consciousness being projected into metal, may I suggest a little experiment?
Let me get a little "David Blaine" with you, as a kind of, well, interesting interlude. Your mind has three levels. The Conscious, Subconscious, and Superconcious. If you are willing to participate. Now willing is the operative word here. Without Belief or Faith it won't work. Now, I don't know where you are, not even what country. But sit down in a chair and watch the breath coming out of your nose. Is it coming from the left or right nostril? You will see it changes back and forth between the two, every couple of hours...Now ask your subconscious, that's the mind that we will work with...Talk to it like a friend, and ask it to show YOU where to find the article about consciousness being projected into metal from Japan. Make it a sincere request and visualize the request floating off into space. The request MUST be sincere. Let it go. Go about your business and once in a while during the day, ask your subconcious to show you the article.
Now I'm going out on a limb with this for sure, but hey. I've been laughed at by professionals. The article should present itself to you, either through a friend, phone call, surfing the net etc. Let's see what happens...
bob


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Bee
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 06:19 PM

Don't be dissin' caves, man. Caves are home, where the fire keeps the dark and the sabre-tooths at bay. Caves are where you can sit and think and play with the babies, and tame that wolf cub you brought home. Caves are where you can watch the firelight flicker on the rock walls, until you say, hey that would look just like an antelope if I touched up with a little charcoal...just... here.. Caves are where you notice this particular dark grey rock is the very best for making tools. Caves are where you feel safe enough to drink that piss-and-muscaria tea that wandering shaman told you about. Caves are about beginnings and great leaps of cognition and imagination.

Higher beings? Building the pyramids with thought or sound? People did use thought and sound and sight, and their skilled hands, to build the pyramids. We have written records, papyri, with some of the accounts, including a renegotiated agreement with a group of workers who demanded a larger allotment of onions as part of the deal, and got it. Those people deserve a little credit, a little admiration, for their accomplishments, IMO.

Or maybe I got a little cynical, a little jaded, around 1969 or 70, watching friends fall into cults, Children of God, Divine Light Mission, Pseudo-Paganism, or vanish into communes with some semi-charismatic, always male, 'spiritual leader'. Some of them didn't get back. Some of the women emerged later with a couple of kids, no education and not a penny to their names, just some tie-dye rags and a lot of ways to cook brown rice. Struggling for years, working low income jobs and still wearing a magic crystal around their necks.

I ran into one of those communes still in operation in 1982, same guy running it for more than ten years, people hanging on his every word. "'Gavin' says I'm not purified enough". "Gavin believes we should practice this method of meditation/crystaldivination/sex". Gavin wants me to work in the town for a while." "Gavin says I'm too attached to the material plane..." Practicing the art of division - you can stay but your partner is too whatever. Herbal doctoring - kids with chronic infections, one woman nearly lost her eyesight while I was there. After a couple visits, I wasn't allowed back - too spiritually disruptive.

I've seen communes that worked, as well. The ones that encouraged people to get educated besides keeping the gardens going. The ones that were about being close to the earth and being equal and raising happy, healthy kids. The ones where nobody was insisting on everybody being 'spiritual' but let you believe whatever you want, as long as no one was harmed.


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 06:15 PM

0.0018288 kilometers is equal to one fathom. FYI.


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 06:12 PM

So...you think you can fathom the depths of my ignorance, do you?

Well, I'll say this, you're ambitious! ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 06:10 PM

"I can never bring myself to actually finish reading any of his shit"

That's from another thread, John.


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: John Hardly
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 06:09 PM

"Your nervous system is not large enough to hold that volume of not known (by me) information."

According to Peace (if I understand him....and how dangerous is THAT?!), I could fathom the depths of your ignorance if I but learned binary something, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah....

(I can never bring myself to actually finish reading any of his shit)


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 05:52 PM

You, don't, Spaw...unless you're a sinful, jerk-off, wastrel dumbass who richly deserves suffering extended intestinal discomfort. No one I know ever gets "the shits" from eating cabbage. I certainly don't. I've hardly ever heard of anyone who does. But if you do, well, now you know why... ;-) Now prunes, on the other hand, almost anyone gets the shits from eating prunes.

John, you couldn't possibly have insight into how much I really don't know. Your nervous system is not large enough to hold that volume of not known (by me) information.


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 05:49 PM

CABBAGE? I though it was cribbage.


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: catspaw49
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 05:42 PM

Some awfully deep thoughts on this thread but how and what does all this have to do with why you get the shits from eating cabbage?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 05:33 PM

Logic aside, when you are privy to the secrets of the universe the truth is all you need. The truth is God is a great gooey worm Booglabah and we are but parasites in his gut. I say 'his' despite the fact that the great gooey worm is asexual.
Our prayers if united are enough to cause the great gooey worm gas but thats about it. Strange as it seems, we and other parasites have a higher degree of intelligence and consciousness than our Great Worm Booglabah (GWB).


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 05:28 PM

There are ten kinds of people in the world: Those who understand binary and those who don't.


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: John Hardly
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 05:25 PM

That was also post #111. It's the new 100.


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: John Hardly
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 05:24 PM

"The real problem with most human egos is that they are so unwilling to admit how little they really know"

LH,

That's just not true. I'm MORE than willing to admit how much you really don't know.

I'm going to have to categorize that under one of those Logic Fallicies, or make up a new one to cover it.


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 04:36 PM

Well SAID, Bob!

The real problem with most human egos is that they are so unwilling to admit how little they really know...and the possibility that there is much out there which they cannot even begin to explain with their present science and their present understanding.

I have encountered things no one can explain...oh, but tell them about it, and listen to them bury you under a half hour of specious and empty explanations as to how the thing you told them about must have been "a hallucination"...or some such familiar notion that their conventional mind spits out of its tiny lexicon of "approved subjects".

Tiresome, and often quite infuriating. I just don't bother telling them anymore unless I know very well who I'm talking to and whether they have some humility and respect set aside for other people's experiences. It's not worth listening to the inane and predictable responses one gets from conventional know-it-alls who think they already have a "scientific" answer for everything.


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Amos
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 04:00 PM

Sure, pal. ALways glad to jump out of the cave. Let me know if you can find that reference on metallic molecular deformation.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: GUEST,Appaloosa Lady
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 03:59 PM

Phew! Bob!

I curtsey to you, in sheer admiration.


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 03:42 PM

Amos: "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink..."

Trying to "measure" or "test" this would be like asking "God"....Hey God! Those trees and mountains and oceans and everything, they told me YOU did all of that. But I'm waiting here with MY pencil, computer, camera, lab equipment and mind and I want you to PROVE to me that it was you who did it!
God might reply, "Looking at the trees and oceans and stuff isn't enough?" Let's see YOU do it.
What makes me laugh is when I look at all the "scientific studies" on how the pyramids were formed or if life exists on other planets. And, all the tech stuff one would have to do to accomplish building such structures or to travel to other worlds.
The problem with all of that is that it is limited to the consciousness of the operator. What if your tools, tests, and instruments are just not capable of testing that which was created by a higher intelligence? One theory is that the pyramids were created with sound. Yep, sound. Apparently weighted objects become weightless when a specific vibration of sound is projected at them. Hence, building a pyramid would be a "walk in the park" for those with that knowledge.
Einstein purported that space travel was relative to the speed of light, but what if there was another propulsion system that went way past the speed of light? What would the caveman have thought if he were shown a computer? Magic? God? His intellect and consciousness cannot cope with a higher level of thought. All HIS references revert to what he knows, primitive sticks, rocks, hunt for food. If you SHOWED him a computer and PROVED to him it was possible to communicate at great distances, he would think it's a trick and go back to what for him, is comfortable. What he knows, thinks, sees, feels...

You can almost hear other life forms observing us, " Hey VROK! Check this! Look at stupid earthling "scientist" trying to figure out our propulsion system! HA HA hA HA HEE HEE. The idiot is using; get this VROK, his COMPUTER! HA hA hA. Can you BELIEVE these stupids? And, and, listen to me VROK; the guy is trying it with his mind on the "LOCKED" position! MWAH HA HA HA hA HA HEEHEE..
Anybody with a brain would know you can't possibly test our Grn567yu45j with Microsoft VISTA! It's like, they aren't even smart enough to figure out they aren't even in the parking lot of ZETA4Qs travel. What pathetic creatures. I suppose we should vaporize them, or feed them to our pets. But hey, let's be kind and let them struggle with it for another 100 years, they can only hurt themselves...Until they evolve..."

Come out of the cave...<:0)
bob


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Amos
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 02:44 PM

QUite so, Bob -- I have read the material on psychic water crystals before. Unfortunately I find too many assertions without provided explanations, and the photographic evidence provided does not strike me as reliable.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 01:41 PM

Amos: Found this...
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/aug1/consciouswater.html

I've been looking around for the "thought projected into metal" article as it comes from the scientific community, and would offer another perspective...

bob


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 01:20 PM

"Danny Boy banned in pub...."


Hope that helps you, Guest,Ed.


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 01:19 PM

Amos: I think it was from a newspaper article that might be 20+ years old. I'm really not sure of it's age. I was trying to think of the reference to substantiate it. But, I couldn't. Part of the info in my subconscious. It's out there somewhere...bob


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: skarpi
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 01:14 PM

I really would.

Surely 'He' could make it easier???
who says its " he " not Her??

what easier ??? the life ??? things are ment to be , deal with it

a propblem is not a problem its a task to deal with . believe in you
and the task is solved .

what is god , who is god , what is it for , ?? and who says the holy bible is the right book ?? or the koran ?

the are so many questions for to be answaerd, I cannot , maybe someone can .

But God ???? I wonder ........

ATB Skarpi


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Amos
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 01:09 PM

Bob:

Can you provide a link to the paper, article or whatever documenting those observations in Japan a few years back?


Thanks,


A


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: skarpi
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 01:08 PM

100


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 12:56 PM

Thanks Kat: I often wonder if the posts are even read by other posters. As you can see from the dialogue, each has created what is for them, reality. For some, no God. Others yes, in a myriad of forms.
A study was done in Japan a few years back, where scientists tested a piece of metal with electrodes while someone was projecting their thoughts TO THE PIECE OF METAL. What they found that as hatred/negativity created a molecular change within the metal. Subsequently, thoughts of Love projected toward the metal created another type of molecular, verifiable change. So, it could be said that metal thinks/feels...
So for some, "my car is a piece of sh&t...", for others, "it's my baby"..So one car goes to the scrap heap, the other becomes a vintage automobile. The difference? One got Hate. The other, LOVE. It was all in the thinking...
There was a book called "The Secret Life of Plants" where similar observations were outlined.
As any gardener knows, the "green thumb" is the reality of the great gardener. A simple love of what you do...Same for the great chefs, etc.
People like Dick Clark and Cliff Richard have always "Thought Young" with Mr. Clark being "the world's oldest teenager..." But think for a minute what is going on, both men have surrounded themselves with youthful activities, Rock & Roll, still being in the public eye, so "youth" stays with them, and is their reality.
So the message of "God is in all things" rings true, although abstract.
So, how can you test this for yourself? Easy. Begin with this experiment...CREATE YOUR DAY. Watch your thoughts. In the morning, allow yourself to only concentrate on happiness. And when those thoughts of "what about the bills, doctors, troubles" come to mind, train yourself to think that there is a solution for everything. And entertain the thought that 'all will work out for greater good" The operative word here is BELIEF/FAITH. If you withdraw that, you will sink into negativity, and that will become your reality.
This is how the Oprah Winfreys, Tiger Woods, Sir Richard Bransons of the world got to be who they are. They are not thinking about the next welfare cheque or poverty. They live, breath, FEEL, wealth and success. THAT IS ALL THEY CONCENTRATE ON, so, that IS their reality. And so you might say, "Boo Hoo Hoo, but THEY got all the money and power, and all I got is...STOP right there. You just talked yourself into the reality of "NOT HAVE". Change that. Start by being grateful for what you have, and build your life from there. Thought by Thought, day by day.
Do you think that any great sports figure, artist, entrepreneur, financier gets up in the morning and says, "this is a great day to lose?" Would not happen. Could not happen.
"The Lord(Law) is my Shepherd, I shall not want..." Do you think that is the raving of a lunatic? No my friends, it is higher truth, hidden from you in parables. A teaching so profound, that given to the right individual, would be life/world changing..
Guard your thoughts...
bob

Anyone interested might consider the writing of Florence Scovil Schinn - "The Power of the Word..."


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: John Hardly
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 09:50 AM

Spaw,

Arguement from Quo-Quo-Quo-choo unfounded belief that the song "Imagine" is great music because John Lennon wrote it.


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 08:04 AM

Aled Jones as well, he's about 40, but he only looks about 15,(well he did last time i saw him on telly anyway, he's on the wireless now, so i've not seen him for a while.)


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 08:01 AM

I reckon believung in god helps you to look young, eg-
Cliff Richard believes in god, and he's about 100 years old, but he only looks about 70.


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: catspaw49
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 07:02 AM

Damn John......I was all messed up on that stuff and now I have to go back and read all 423,491 contentious threads again so I know what was really going on! See I figured that the first one had something to do with adding a can of hominy to your argument or amaybe something just corny. Some of the others were a shock to me too!

7. Confusing currently unexplained with unexplainable ---- I still think this one means not knowing Jack Shit

8. False Continuum --- Why anyone would want to use artificial condoms to argue with I never did know so this was real helpful!

9. False Dichotomy ---- See, this was the fake dick you used with the fake condom above.

11. The Moving Goalpost --- Damn but I'm stupid. I thought this one was obvious but once again...............***sigh***..........

12. Non-Sequitur ---- So this has nothing to do with all the Sequin Mines around Nashville huh?

15. Slippery Slope ---- I should've figured this had nothin' to do with sled riding........

16. Straw Man ---- It was kinda' sad to learn the truth here as I always had this nice image of Ray Bolger in "The Wizard of Oz."

17. Special pleading, or ad-hoc reasoning ---- And here I mistook "reasoning" as "seasoning" and thought someone wanted another ham hock thrown in the bean soup.

19. Tu quoque ---- Not some Rapper then I guess......


Thanks again John. I'm gonna' get to studying on these real hard!!!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: GUEST,UNbrainwashed
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 06:55 AM

From the time I was born my parents, the church and my school brainwashed me into the belief of god's existence until I was 18 years old. They used sacraments, prayers, mantras, bibles, other religious books and continuous church attendances. My only defence against all of that was logic and after many years I concluded there is no God. Of course I felt guilty about winning the mental arguement but the sense of freedom more than compensates for that.


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: John Hardly
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 06:14 AM

"IF folks would just bother to learn the informal fallacies it would improve the serious discussions of this forum by an order of magnitude"

I've always thought that if they were in a permathread at the top of the mudcat that everyone had to read before posting, the discussions might be completely different around here.


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Slag
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 01:17 AM

Thank you Mr. Hardly! IF folks would just bother to learn the informal fallacies it would improve the serious discussions of this forum by an order of magnitude.

As in all the threads which hit around this subject, God as defined becomes the major premise. It is how one defines and presents deity that deserves the analysis and scrutiny. Beware of the "closed system", that is a system of thought which answers everything from within the system and thereby demonstrating a private language. Truth must be able to stand on its own without insulation.


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Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Mar 08 - 10:47 PM

Bob, thanks for your further postings. I esp, liked this: Our beliefs about who we are, and what is real, are not simply observations, but rather form ourselves and our realities.

Bee, I am in complete agreement with you and LH. To me, everything has a consciousness and it behoves us to honour that and treat it with care. I have known this, "felt it" since I was a little, little girl.

I have also seen, time and again, proof positive about being gratefull (sic), giving thanks, and being careful with our words, thoughts, and visualizations. When we do so, we honour our higher conciousness or whatever one wants to call it. We get back whatever put out there, negative or positive.


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