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Subject: Stan Rogers/Kate Wolfe
From: Tucker
Date: 09 May 99 - 01:57 AM

ok, I heard Stan on the Folk Sampler (Mike Flynn's show) could someone tell me about him and his music? I know he is now departed and I just ran into a site that said he died in a plane crash. I love his music ( You Canadians are blessed with really good folksingers). I'd like to know more about Kate Wolfe too


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Musicman
Date: 09 May 99 - 02:44 AM

Tucker, Here you go, a web page about the best folk singer Canada has ever produced.

http://www.summerfolk.org/stan.html / http://web.archive.org/web/20050305072812/http://stevebriggs.superb.net/stanrogers/songs.html

Buy some CD's and listen. My favorites include Fogerty's Cove and From Fresh Water.

Good songs on all of them though.

musicman


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Tucker
Date: 09 May 99 - 02:52 AM

thank you musicman, who said you couldn't learn about folk music here anymore!


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Frank of Toledo
Date: 09 May 99 - 03:12 AM

Thank you for mentioning both Stan Rogers and Kate Wolf on the same thread. I just finished lisitening to what I believe was his last recording, at least that's what Garnet Rogers ( his brother) says in the liner notes. It is on Folk Tradition (Gadfly)and is titled "For The Family" Any album you buy of Stan Rogers' is great and you won't be disappointed. I was also looking at a Kate Wolf double CD called "Give Yourself to Love" on Kaleidoscope. It was recorded through parts of 1982 and 1983. Stan was killed on June 2nd 1983, and Kate dedicates this CD to Stan with these words: "In memory of songwriter Stan Rogers - the flame is out but the light burns on"... Kate Wolf died rather young, herself in 1986. Fortunately for all of us, there is quite a few recordings of both artists for us to cherish and enjoy. This is a real good thread; am looking forward to more stories about these wonderful artists.......


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 09 May 99 - 12:37 PM

Tucker, Stan has taken on a "larger than life" persona since his tragic death. I knew him a bit, and a number of my friends knew him quite well. I feel pretty certain he would regard a lot of the "Stan worship" with bemused disdain. In simplest terms he wrote and recorded a number of good songs, a few average efforts, and about 10 pieces that rival anything written in our time. From a Canadian point of view, I think he was the best (folk-style) writer we've produced. He soaked up many styles, but some of his major influences were Archie Fisher, Ian Robb and Ewan MacColl. Hard to go wrong there. I strongly suggest you find the album "Between the Breaks", it has a great feel, and was produced by Paul Mills who is engineering my new album. Paul has been kind enough to let me use one of Stan's guitars on these sessions (a beautiful Laskin 12 string) and it sings!

There are many factors which contribute to an artist really capturing hearts, minds, and (let's face it) dollars, and one of them is a distinctive voice. Stan had honed his craft neatly, but...that voice was incomparable!


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Tucker
Date: 09 May 99 - 04:51 PM

My only exposure to Stan has been on the folk sampler but I've never heard a song of his that wasn't flat out great. Don't know the name of it but there's one about a young lake sailor who doesn't wear a lifeline and is washed overboard. I taped this off the radio and have damn near wore it out. My exgirlfriend threatened to throw ME overboard if I didn't stop playing it so much. Never seen a Laskin Guitar, are they nice?


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: MichaelM
Date: 09 May 99 - 05:47 PM

Tucker, the song you're referring to is White Squall from Stan's From Fresh Water album. This is actually the last album he made and was finished after his death (i.e. the backing tracks). White Squall is a great song and one that I love performing. I have also had a chance to play Stan's twelve-string (thanks Paul). The reason you don't see many Laskin guitars around is that A)the people who own find it nearly impossible to part with them and B) Grit is a one-man shop who has a five-year waiting list.

P.S. Go out and buy From Fresh Water. Taping it off the radio doesn't benefit Stan's family and also delays the release of the other material that Stan recorded but didn't see fit to include on any of his albums,

I am heading out to hear Rick Fielding this glorious summery evening. I guess he'll be playing a lot off his forthcoming album.


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Mo
Date: 09 May 99 - 08:04 PM

I can also recommend a book about S.R. called "An Unfinished Conversation" which gives quite a good insight into the man and his influences. Published by Penguin, it's ISBN No. is: 0-14-023068-8. I picked mine up in Canada about 4 or 5 years ago, for about $15, hopefully it is still in print.

Rick & Michael - have you ever heard Stan's concert in Bermuda? It was never an official release,but Archie Fisher let me listen to his copy a while back - amazing! Pretty much like "Between the Breaks" (my favourite) but he's just that gnats' sharper and less user-friendly with the hecklers in the audience. Refreshing to hear a performer who wasn't afraid to lay it on the line.

Just re-read what I wrote there - I'm not trying to imply that Archie and I are buddies! What it is, is that he presents a folk programme on the Radio Station I work for, and as well as being both talented and charming, he is also generous with his knowledge to amateur folkies like me. He's a great guy!

Mo


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca
Date: 09 May 99 - 08:06 PM

I believe Grit Laskin is also a performing musician, which might slow down his luthier business a bit. I seem to recall reading something about him being on tour.


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca
Date: 09 May 99 - 09:00 PM

Incidently, you can buy Stan Rogers's CD's in lots of places, but they have them all at http://www.bpm.on.ca

There are also two tribute CD's, which are OK but I prefer the originals.

Again, no connection with them except that I am satisfied with their service.


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Tucker
Date: 09 May 99 - 09:58 PM

Thank you Michael, you have my word I will buy the CD. Tim, perhaps I have missed seeing you here in the past, If you are new welcome, if you are veteran here and I have just missed you Hello. There is a 15-20 year blank in folk music I missed,mainly because the way music is aired I never heard much more past 1964. Damn, what I missed! I could have actually met some of these great folks. By and By, I did mention Kate Wolfe at my initial thread. Maybe she needs one of her own. I have been making too many threads lately, so anyone would like to start one on Kate, I'd love to listen and maybe add.


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Cap't Bob
Date: 09 May 99 - 11:23 PM

The first time I heard Stan Rogers was shortly after the plane crash. Our local pbs station was playing some of his songs and telling about his unfortunate demise. The Northwest Passage was the first song I heard him sing, immediately became hooked and ended up purchasing a copy of all his lp's that I could find. They are about all worn out and I guess its time to start replacing them with cd's.

There was a great tribute to Stan at the Owens Sound folk festival the following year. The stage was lined with many his friends who sang songs, told tales, and gave a tremendous amount of in site into his character.

There is a song book out that I believe is called Fogerty's Cove. A fellow borrowed my copy and then moved out of state. It contains quite a few of his better known songs like White Squall, Northwest Passage, The Idiot. I bought the book mainly for the White Squall because I was having a great deal of difficulty trying to figure out the cords. It's really a great book & I'll probably end up getting another copy.

If you should happen to visit the Epcot center at Disney Land ~ check out the Canadian Pavilion. The last time I was there the 360 degree movie started out with views of the Scooner Blue Nose and Stan Rogers singing. Well it has been a few years but I hope they keep that one going.

Cap't Bob


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: MichaelM
Date: 10 May 99 - 12:17 AM

Yes,Tim, Grit is a performing musician, luthier, songwriter, writer of adult and children's fiction and co-founder and current owner/manager of the Borealis Recording Company here in Toronto. Aaargh! (BTW I heard Grit tonight playing with Rick Fielding. Great Concert!)

Mo, I haven't heard the Bermuda concert and am envious of your luck. I had the privilege of being at the Groaning Board recording sessions when Between The Breaks was made.

Cap't Bob, White Squall isn't in the Songs from Fogarty's Cove songbook I have. I did see a transcription of it in Sing Out a number of years ago with chords. If you could tell me where you are having the problem I might be able to e-mail you back the chords from my transcription. It and Tiny Fish for japan are two of my favorite Stan songs. What a loss.


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Tucker
Date: 10 May 99 - 12:24 AM

thanks to all


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Mo
Date: 10 May 99 - 06:22 AM

Michael - YOU'RE envious of ME????? Words can't begin to describe how green I am about your luck - actually there - what a memory to treasure that must be...

All the best,

Mo


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Susan-Marie
Date: 10 May 99 - 11:46 AM

Hey, isn't someone going to mention the Stan Rogers folk festival in Nova Scotia? There was a thread on it last year and I don't know if it will be repeated, but if it is, I'm sure it would be a great place for fans of Stan Rogers and other Canadian folk musicians. And you can't beat northern Nova Scotia for the music and scenery.


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 10 May 99 - 12:05 PM

Michael Miland owns several beautiful Laskin guitars and even lent one to Harvey Andrews to use on his last tour. Your a brave guy Mike, (even though I think I was the one who went begging on Harvey's behalf) not too many "Grit" owners would have been that generous. If you haven't seen one of these instruments, you can't imagine just how unique they are. Yes they are pricey, but a pittance in comparison to top of the line woodwinds, brass, reed, and bowed instruments. Guitarists (and mandolinists, and banjoists) often complain about the pricing of high end instruments, but a casual perusal through the music want ads in the paper will reveal that a Laskin guitar costs less than a mid-level saxaphone! The hand-builders work their tails off for very little profit.
BTW, Mr.Miland is a pretty fair picker and warbler himself.


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Cap't Bob
Date: 10 May 99 - 10:56 PM

Michael

Thanks for the offer for cords to White Squall, however, I did finally learn them and now that you have jarred my menory I must have picked them up from Sing Out. There were two of Stans songs that I was having trouble with and the second one was Field Behind The Plow which must have been the reason for purchasing Songs From Fogerty's Cove. Golly, if that one is not in there I'm in trouble. I'd better buy another copy.

It's great to have a few songs out there with more than the usual three or four cords. Stan had that special ability.

Cap't Bob


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Tucker
Date: 11 May 99 - 10:25 PM

Thank ye all, especially Rick,. No , I haven't seen a Laskin Guitar, in fact I am taking my first leap at being a lutier, my first try being an appalacian/mountain Dulcimer. Wish me luck lads and lasses, let 001 be the stradivaous of folkie stuff 400 years from now ....geez 2400? will I get residuals? Copyright, Patent? Will you still love me, will you still.........


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Tucker
Date: 11 May 99 - 10:32 PM

Got Carried away.....I think Stan Rogers is one of the grsatest bar none, his guitar choice was macht nicht


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: MAG (inactive)
Date: 12 May 99 - 06:15 PM

My old Folk Society in Chicago, Aual Tradition, started off bring lesser known (but shouldn't be) acts to Chicago. The first concert was Stan Rogers' first U.S. appearance, as I recall. Great concert. After he was killed, (after he carried 6 unconscious people off a burning airplane -- really.) WFMT in Chicago played that concert back, and I gave myself the dayy off work to stay home and tape it. (no recording available, folks, and I have all of Stan's vinyls.) As the MC said, he was well on his way to being the pre-eminenet folksinger/songwriter of our day, and he was right. a great loss.

-- MA


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Tucker
Date: 12 May 99 - 08:39 PM

MA, tell me this story. He carried six unconscious people off the airplane! I have to hear this. I know I often make light of things but I am serious, Please tell me this story. Tucker


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 13 May 99 - 09:52 AM

Tucker, I'm afraid that sometimes we want our heroes to be so much larger than life, we invent things and then they get carried along by the wind. The myth of Stan carrying folks off the plane is just that; a myth. It did not happen.

Get a copy of his first album "Fogerty's Cove", and you'll see how he earned his reputation. Once you do, I'll bet you start turning othere on to Stan as well.


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Tucker
Date: 13 May 99 - 10:46 PM

Hi Rick, having been a firefighter 25 years I know that what you hear and what happens in reality are most often two different things. Everyone wants to believe that someone runs into the flames and smoke to save their child/dog/cat/money/pictures/guitar/whatever. I can tell you this. I have seen many broken hearts of folks who have heard such tales and when it actually happened in real life could not rush in to save their kids or whatever,only for them to live a life of guilt forever more. It's a terrible myth we perpetuate. Simple fact is: God wants you to live, even at the expense of the folks and things we value most. ( I know, poorly worded again) Let me tell you all, there is no hell like running into pitch black smoke, horrible heat,blinding darkness that is a house fire. My heart goes out to Stan Rogers & Harry Chappin, along with over 4000 others who die by fire every year.


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: MAG (inactive)
Date: 13 May 99 - 11:15 PM

John Dameron (Texas) told that story from the stage; he may have been wrong, but I doubt it. Stan was a huge guy, and carried women, two ta a time, off that plane (set on fire, by the way, by some fool smoking in the lavatory. At least the tragedy got the airlines to tighten up on that.)

People kept telling him not to go back in , but being the guy he was, it was impossible for him not to.

My friend, Elizabeth Ellis, a professional storyteller in Dallas, once met one of the women whose life he saved.

So there.

-- MA


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 14 May 99 - 12:23 AM

Well said Tucker. I gotta figure being a firefighter is about the scariest job on the planet. Harry Chapin actually had a heart attack while driving his VW (on the Jersey turnpike, I believe.) Good songwriter, and he was so young.

Actually mag, that story about Stan spread pretty rapidly and has been told a number of times from different stages. I'm afraid the coroner's report indicated that it just didn't happen. Ariel and Garnet (Stan's widow and brother)have apparently met far more than six people who've claimed to have been rescued by Stan. That's the way myths spread though, and my guess is that 20 years from now the (inacurate) details of his death will have passed into folklore. It doesn't really matter though. God knows we need heroes. His biography, "An Unfinished Conversation" can shed some light on the situation for you.

Hi Mo. Yah, I've heard the tapes from Bermuda. They're great. There was a wonderful folk club there for a number of years but it hasn't operated for a while now.


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 14 May 99 - 01:42 AM

I saw Stan in concert at Penn's Landing in Philadelphia, I think it was the summer of 1981, but I might be off by a year or two. It was a folk concert series for which the stage was the deck of an old sailing ship, the Gazela Primeiro -- I think she was a schooner, but I might be off by a mast or two. She was moored at the waterfront park, near the Moshulu and the Olympia. The audience sat on the grassy bank facing the Delaware River. I remember he sang Archie Fisher's "Witch of the Westmereland" and I got chills, even on that warm summer night. At one point he looked around him at the old wooden deck and then said in that wondrous voice of his, "This is a beautiful old boat, and by God, Philadelphia, you're lucky to have her." We were...and we were lucky to have him there, too. No discussion of Stan would be complete without a reference to Eric Bogle's tribute to him, SAFE IN THE HARBOUR, which is in the DT here. (Joe, did I do that right?)


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: hank
Date: 14 May 99 - 08:58 AM

Great song, Mark. I always wonder if the little tune I sing it with (not that I preform it) is anything like the one orginially intended for it. I think I'll always like my tune, even if noone else does though, and that is music.


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Mo
Date: 14 May 99 - 08:23 PM

I think I may have said this before, but whenever I go sailing on my beloved Tall Ships with musical friends, we always sing "Safe in the Harbour" when we finish the trip and are indeed safe in the harbour, Next trip coming up in a month's time - it's a safe bet I'll be singing this and thinking of Mudcat along with Stan-the-Man and the Canadian sailor who introduced it to me.

Mo (who can't wait to be sailing again)


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Paul Mills
Date: 16 May 99 - 12:34 AM

Hi folks...

I'm new to the Mudcat and was encouraged to join by my good buddy Rick Fielding. He told me about this Stan thread and I've been following it with great interest over the last few days. It's wonderful to see the continuing interest in Stan's music, and I just love it when people discover him for the fist time and fall in love with his music. Tucker, to those of us who have been Stan fans for so many years, your enthusiasm reinforces our own.

I'd like to make a tiny correction to something said in this thread. Rick F. mentioned that I produced "Between the Breaks". This is only partially true. In fact, since I was on stage playing for that recording, I had some help in the recording truck - my old partner Bill Garrett actually co-produced this record.

The discussion about Stan's role as the gallant rescuer on that fated Air Canada flight is something I've always wanted to believe. It certainly would have been true to his character because I know he loved heros - just look at the songs he wrote! I guess we'll never know for sure. As to the cause of the fire on board, I was privy to the FAA report and it was, as reported in the press, faulty wiring that was the culprit - not someone smoking in the loo.

Now that I've had a taste of the Mudcat, I'm hooked. Seems like a friendly group who share my interests. So many of this listserves I subscribe to have just degenerated into gig announcements - but maybe that's a different thread!

Think I'll stick around if you'll have me!

Cheers,

PM


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Indy Lass
Date: 16 May 99 - 12:53 AM

Wow--I'm taking in all this info on Stan Rogers and feeling sorta stupid. In 1982 my husband wanted to go see him at the Student Union Bldg at Univ. of Wisconsin--Green Bay (which was a rather small place at the time). We sat three rows back from the stage durung his performance. I remember thinking nice music but didn't realize his stature in folk music till now.


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Musicman
Date: 16 May 99 - 04:06 AM

Whoa, Hello there Paul Mills! nice to have you on board the Mudcat. Just this evening I was sharing Stan memories with a colleage from work who is from Newfoundland. We were listening to the "Home From Halifax" album which you also played on. Just wanted to welcome you and let you know that I had the privilege of meeting Stan several times when he performed in Vancouver, once just after "Northwest Passage" was released. I have some great memories of the big man, and love performing his music whenever I get the chance.

Again, Welcome aboard, you'll find a wonderful group of people here on the Mudcat.

Musicman


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Ted from Australia
Date: 16 May 99 - 08:56 AM

Michael Miland,

I have been playing White Squall for some time now but a cannot figure out thr riff at the start and betwween verses . any help appreciated

Regards Ted ed42@4kz.com.au


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 16 May 99 - 12:31 PM

Hi Paul. That was my plan all along. Give some wrong information, and maybe you'd be forced to come on board and correct it! Nah! I was just to lazy to look on the back of the album.
A bit of "correct" information however, might contain these few tidbits: under the alias "Curley Boy Stubbs", paul's fleet fingerpicking has graced many a recording project. Using an "AKA" is a time honoured tradition in our strange little musical world, as anyone who's pondered the actual identity of "Blind Boy Grunt" can attest. I believe the all-time "king" of pseudonyms must be John Lee Hooker, with Lightnin' Hopkins, Elmore James, and Brownie McGhee close behind. Even yours truly adopted the sobriquet "Lance Boyle" a number of years ago while playing bass for a truly bizarre country duo. The female member wore a silver lamee micro skirt, sang country love songs to a large snake, played the coctail drum, and stripped between sets! Her husband dressed like Davy Crocket - with more fringe than you'd find at the Edinburgh festival, and did Johhny Cash impersonations. I ask you, would YOU have used your real name?
Paul's use of an alias appears to have been motivated by less desperate circumstances though. As a long time C.B.C. producer, he used "Curly Boy" to seperate the "hot guitar" entity from the "studio" one.


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Cap't Bob
Date: 16 May 99 - 10:50 PM

If you want to listen to something that will blow your mind, put on a pair of sterio headphones and listen to Stan's Mary Ellen Carter. Not only is it a great song but the double guitar runs are something else with an ascending and descending run going on at the same time.

Cap't Bob


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Paul Mills
Date: 17 May 99 - 01:09 AM

Annieglen...your reaction to all of this hullaballoo about Stan strikes a familiar chord with me. When we were working together, none of us (and especially Stan) thought this was anything like the stuff that legends are made of. Stan was just writing neat songs and we were trying to get them on tape in a way that would show them off the best way we knew how. Stan always hoped that his music would outlive him and be valued. If he could see the reverence being bestowed upon his music now he would probably be a more than little embarassed but somewhere inside he would be very proud. Hindsight is always 20-20 and now we can appreciate the genius of Stan's writing, but at the time, up close, it's hard to have a view of "the big picture".

On other topics: Capt'n Bob...on Mary Ellen, the double guitar run you referred to is actually my guitar and Grit Laskin's mandolin going in opposite directions. I'm doing a simple desending G-scale and Grit is doing an ascending scale at the same time. Glad you like it!

Ted....since I played the riff on White Squall, I should be able to help you out, but it's been so many years, I'd have to sit down with the CD and re-learn it. I'm going to do that. I'll be back to you unless Michael Miland beats me to it!

Rick...I didn't know about Lance Boyle! What a neat story!

Musicman...thanks for your welcoming message!

Cheers,

PM


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Mo
Date: 17 May 99 - 03:50 AM

Oooh, I'm feeling a bit funny now - not only do I find out that Rick, who's been here & chatting for a while, knew Stan Rogers, we've now got Paul Mills as well.... Ever felt like a mouse in the presence of giants? Gentlemen, thank you for sharing both your knowledge and memories, - got any more? I'll just sit down here and get comfortable...

Mo


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: MichaelM
Date: 17 May 99 - 10:56 AM

Ted, I am thrilled to see Paul Mills popping up on Mudcat and I defer to his first-hand experience as the creator of the White Squall opening riff. "Better to keep your mouth shut and be supposed a fool than to speak and remove any doubt."

Michael


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Art Thieme
Date: 17 May 99 - 11:25 AM

Folks,

I've fond memories of hangin' out with Stan at the bar of Somebody Elses's Troubles, a great 1970s club in Chicago owned in part by Steve Goodman & Earl Pionke (the Earl of Old Town), Fred Holstein & others. Was learning "White Squall" and told Stan it was hell learning his songs 'cause he always "nailed it" when he recorded it--there was no way I'd ever get close to his own rendition. In later years I played at Winnipeg a couple of times and I've still got a photo somewhere of Mr. Mills & Stan hanging out back stage. Wonderful times those.

Paul, thanks for the wonderful music!! It has been a great go-'round.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Shack
Date: 17 May 99 - 11:46 AM

I don't have any of his music and would like to order a few CDs. Would appreciate some recommendations for a starter-set. Thanks.


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Shack
Date: 17 May 99 - 11:48 AM

I don't have any of his music and would like to order a few CDs. Would appreciate some recommendations for a starter-set. Thanks.


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Tony Burns
Date: 17 May 99 - 01:12 PM

Shack,

The reality is that if you get one of the CDs you will get all of them so just bit the bullet and do it. :-)


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Ted From Australia
Date: 17 May 99 - 05:16 PM

Michael,

Better to ask questions and appear ignorant than not ask and remain ignorant :-)

Paul, Iwould be really chuffed to gey it from the horses mouth and will the envy of all my friends who play Stan's music . Shack, i just wnt to look at my collection to recommend a few favourites, but, buggerit, they are all my favourites. Take Tony's advice

Tony, I am also a Burns. ed42@4kz.com.au if you want to take it any further.

Regards , Ted


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Paul Mills
Date: 18 May 99 - 10:36 AM

Ted...

You were asking about the riff at the beginning of white squall. I hauled out the record and gave it a listen to remind me of what we did there.

There's actually three guitars off the top of the song: one Stan guitar capoed on the second fret and playing in G, and two of me capoed on the nineth fret and playing in C. (This means the song is in the key of A). Both Stan and I are playing the riff, but an octave apart.

If you were playing in G, the notes of the riff would be (the colons are the bar lines): C B A G F# G A B E C B A G DD F# A B G. The chords are Gsus4 G //: G/// : C/// : C/// : Gsus4 G// : G/// : D/// : G/// : G///. In case you're not familiar with it, Gsus4 is just a G chord with the C-note at the first fret on the second sring added.

Hope this helps...

PM


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Ted from Australia
Date: 18 May 99 - 06:07 PM

Paul, Thanks a million, words fail to express my gratitude I will work on it tonight. (It is 8am on Wednsday 19th here now)

Regards Ted


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Devilmaster
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 06:09 AM

I know its been 2 years since this thread last had a post, but I stumbled upon it and thought it would be something really nice to refresh.
If any new 'catters have never heard Stan's works, see if you can lay your hands on it. Its definitely worth the listen.
And it's also good to see that Paul Mills is a 'catter too. If Paul hasn't been around in a bit, I'm sure Rick can bring him back. It's good to hear some of the stories. (even ones that don't portray the 'Saint Stan' image)


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Deckman
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 06:53 AM

... Devilmaster (who invents these names?)Thanx for bringing up this great thread again. Yes, count me also as one great fan. I managed to video tape the wonderful tribute done by Canada T.V. CHEERS, Bob(deckman)Nelson


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 11:01 AM

As they say buy the CDs and get the royalties paid to the right people. If however you just want a couple of tracks for your desktop there's lots of Stan's tracks on Morpheus.

Jock


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Rory B
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 01:01 PM

I have such great memories of Stan Rogers...I have seen him at our Winnipeg Folk Festival many times and his performances inspired many many all night Stan sing alongs in the campground! I was greatly looking forward to seeing him at the 1982 WFF and we were all so shocked to hear he had been killed 5 weeks prior to it. The festival finale still includes "The Mary Ellen Carter" and I am always surprised at how many 20 somethings know his music and play it! His music lives on !!! Huggs -Rory-


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Subject: RE: Stan Rogers
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 03:45 PM

There was a wonderful Stan Rogers show on CBC, probably the same one that Deckmaster is referring to. At one point the boys were sitting around a kitchen table in Nova Scotia doing Barrett's Privateers. Magic.

Rick, okay, I've believed all of your stories up until now. Lance Boyle??? Please tell me your pulling our collective leg with that one.


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