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Davey Graham: what a waste

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GUEST,An Avid Fan of Music 04 Nov 07 - 03:26 PM
Jim Lad 04 Nov 07 - 03:41 PM
Big Al Whittle 04 Nov 07 - 03:58 PM
Tim Leaning 04 Nov 07 - 04:22 PM
balladeer 04 Nov 07 - 11:02 PM
GUEST,sparticus 05 Nov 07 - 03:45 AM
goatfell 05 Nov 07 - 04:11 AM
GUEST 05 Nov 07 - 06:02 AM
The Sandman 05 Nov 07 - 06:42 AM
Lowden Jameswright 05 Nov 07 - 07:00 AM
goatfell 05 Nov 07 - 07:13 AM
balladeer 05 Nov 07 - 09:10 AM
Lowden Jameswright 05 Nov 07 - 09:18 AM
Richard Bridge 05 Nov 07 - 09:40 AM
balladeer 05 Nov 07 - 09:52 AM
Lowden Jameswright 05 Nov 07 - 10:10 AM
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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: GUEST,An Avid Fan of Music
Date: 04 Nov 07 - 03:26 PM

I am confused by the exact nature of this particular 'forum' and what it's creator intended to achieve. Does it's creator mean Davy Graham; what a waste of money, or what a waste of talent? If it is the latter then I am sure that I am one among many who stands very bewildered. I am not going to list Davy's achievements, as I am sure you will have found them in vast quantity across this forum, but I will go as far to say that those of you who have given contributions with such high levels of cynicism should be ashamed and disgusted with their selves.
People have offered their own analyses of Davy and in some cases thoroughly dissected the complexion of addictions, however I don't believe doing either will help anybody truly understand him. If anything, this debate has made me realise that people thrive on putting people other people down by asserting themselves above others. I am sure nobody on this forum will ever achieve in a lifetime as much as Davy did in even a 10-year period. If people want to continue picking apart Davy just because it massages their ego then go ahead, but I applaud those who continue to celebrate Davy's work and his contribution to music.
By no measure is he a waste.


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: Jim Lad
Date: 04 Nov 07 - 03:41 PM

Dick: "Mark Pavey ,has a right to reply and I think he has made some good points, particularly that this is not 1966 and Davy Graham is not 28 but nearly 70. Dick Miles"
Hope you didn't think I disagree with that. Thought I'd been fairly clear.


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 04 Nov 07 - 03:58 PM

Avid fan

I suspect what the original poster wanted to do was warn anybody else off from wasting £17.50. There are still some households where such a sum is damned hard come by.

It was a fair and honourable intention. I have felt within the last few weeks the desire to warn off punters from another folk great's current tour for quite dufferent reasons. However I went on his website to see effusive congratulations on this latest debacle, from all the usual gang of crawl arses.

Davy must learn from this to get his retaliation in first!


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 04 Nov 07 - 04:22 PM

Hi it si a bloody shame when anybody falls victim to Drugs of any kind.
I have never seen the DG play live and only heard a couple of his albums.
I am not old enough to have heard him in his prime.
He is getting on a bit now and as with many old stagers he maybe should be taking it easy and enjoying the fruits of his past contributions,
If he is enjoyig himself that is great.
If he is desperate for the cash that is sad.
IS it the amount that is asked to go see him that is causing most distress?
I understand there were a couple of support acts and the chance to a see an aging and past his best legend on offer for under twenty quid.
I reckon if he comes to a handy venue around here I would spalsh out on a ticket and just go along with the experience.
As I did last yeat with Bert jansch.
If you were disapointed by this incarnation of one of your hero's I understand, but the major part of the mans legend to those of us who dont know him personaly is HE inovated,he travelled and brought a new sound to the guitar. Then he shot up and dropped out of sight.
Now he is 70 what did you expect.
If you are being honest I think what you got was what you paid for.
Its just that your expectations were somewhat higher than reality could possibly be.
LEts hope he gets straight or enjoys the rest of his life.
Heres a tip
DOnt go see him again.


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: balladeer
Date: 04 Nov 07 - 11:02 PM

Though I disagree with much of what has been said here, I am thrilled to be able to take part in a conversation that draws in folk performers and fans on both sides of the Atlantic. Every once in a while, I still marvel at how the internet has revolutionized the dissemination of ideas. Maybe more than the printing press even. Thank you, Mudcat!


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: GUEST,sparticus
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 03:45 AM

Having read through this thread in it's entirety, I am appalled at the lack of sensitivity and common humanity contained in the comments from a minority of posters. Criticism is valid but to pull a man to pieces and engage in wild conjecture on a public forum is inexcusable. Davey Graham should be applauded for going out on the road at seventy and who the hell is anyone to deny him the right to have what could be a final fling? He's paid his dues!
And Davey, if you're reading this, thank you for what you've given us and as for the begrudgers, fuck 'em!


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: goatfell
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 04:11 AM

I agree as I have said leave the guy alone


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 06:02 AM

I've read all this thread, and others on a similar theme elsewhere, and also seen Davy Graham on his previous tour. Nobody who knows anything about folk music would begrudge him money, whether he's desperate for it or just making a lving is neither here nor there. Speculation about his condition and what caused it is also irrelevant and unhelpful.

That said, going to a gig is a commercial transaction. Your pays your money and you gets your show. Whether there were two support acts or none is irrelevant too, you're paying for Davy Graham. Now, the show I saw was dreadful, embarrassing and painful to be at, and it seems clear that quite a few others have been too. That is a rip-off, pure and simple. If Davy Graham can't perform on any given night then the gig should be cancelled and people refunded.

Talk about it not being 1966, or getting new fans and losing old ones is just a smokescreen. Nobody expects the yound Davy or nothing to have changed, but Mark Pavey, who is the mastermind behind all this, ought to take a long hard look at himself. He's taking money from people for sub-standard shows and putting Davy Graham on stage when he clearly shouldn't be there. That, in my book, is shameless exploitation of both Davy and his audience.


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 06:42 AM

I thought anonymous postings were not allowed on mudcat.


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: Lowden Jameswright
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 07:00 AM

I'm "getting on a bit" and an "old stager" too - and, just like Davey, been self employed for a number of years. If I or anyone else on Mudcat employed a roofer, plumber or electrician we'd expect a decent job done in our home. If the roofer or plumber left us with rain running through our ceiling, or the sparky left us with a live to neutral we'd be pretty ticked off and quick to ask for our money back.

It's a contract - you pay your money and you expect the artisan to deliver the other half - or you are entitled to bitch...........


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: goatfell
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 07:13 AM

so did I Captain Birdseye


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: balladeer
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 09:10 AM

Performing on a stage is not really comparable to fixing a hole in someone's roof.


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: Lowden Jameswright
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 09:18 AM

Davey Graham is a self-employed musician, charging for his services and earning good money for his privilege. He has customers, and a duty to those customers in that he offers them his services in return for their cash. If he fails to deliver the goods as "fit for the purpose" then he fails to fulfill his contract. Customers have a right to complain - and if someone goes on their roof to fix a leak and he is ill prepared, no surprises then that the rain continues to come through. If you can't see the analogy, you obviously won't take the point anyway.


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 09:40 AM

A barrack-room lawyer is a dangerous thing.

I don't imagine any of these carping critics could walk a mile in Davy Graham's shoes, much less have done.


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: balladeer
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 09:52 AM

Lowden, of course you're right from a certain perspective. It's just that there are so many things you're leaving out when you make the case so narrowly. I don't think anyone pays a plumber based on his "oeuvre".


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: Lowden Jameswright
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 10:10 AM

The case I make isn't a narrow one; you can widen it to any example where cash changes hands. This is not simply a case of an artist having a bad day. Davey's fans are entitled to expect value for money, just as you would expect value for money from any number of goods or service providers. You would not accept a poor job from someone on the basis of him being 70 years old, or was brilliant at his job when he was 28. You would not accept a poor job from someone on the basis that he happened to be drunk when he did a job for you, or hadn't prepared the groundwork necessary to carry out the job effectively. You would complain, and rightly so, and may take steps to get your money refunded.

There's evidence that these performances are well below an acceptable standard on an on-going basis - so good money will continue to be paid by unsuspecting fans until the wheels fall off the bandwagon. He should retire, or make serious effort to get his act together.

I have bought, and continue to buy his music - and will do as long as the product is up to standard; after that, I'll spend my CD budget cash elsewhere.


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: balladeer
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 10:18 AM

"You would not accept a poor job from someone on the basis of him being 70 years old, or was brilliant at his job when he was 28."
Indeed I would if he was an artist I loved who was playing for me, but not if he was fixing my roof. :-)


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From: GUEST,Banjoman
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 10:26 AM


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: Lowden Jameswright
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 10:31 AM

I take your point; it's a matter of personal choice. I love Bob Dylan, buy his CD's but choose not to see his live performances anymore. No matter how much you loved an artist, how bad would the performance have to be before you felt you had been let down? Surely you'd expect some quality in return for your money?


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: GUEST,John Robinson
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 11:28 AM

I wasn't going to contribute to this thread but ....

"earning good money for his privilege"

That is one MIGHTY big assumption.


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: Jim Lad
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 11:43 AM

This thread is going away overboard.
I think, Ian started, quite innocently, by relating, what he considers to be, a bad experience to us.
I can't know what his intentions were but the "What a waste" title is over the top and we're stuck with it. An unfortunate choice of words and one I'm sure, he regrets. It is certainly out of character for Ian.
We've gone from Alcohol to M.S. and finally "Washed Out", all on the basis of one complaint.
I'd say we're well into character assassination by now.
Let's hope it does not have an adverse effect on future attendances.
To those who are his fans, I'd say "Thank you for your contributions".
To the rest... Your points are well made but should probably be debated in a thread which doesn't bear the name of any artist.
Imagine dropping in on Mudcat and seeing what people have written about YOU!


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: redsnapper
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 12:03 PM

Exactly the point I made very many posts ago Jim Lad, and was pulled up for it. My feelings exactly.

RS


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: Peace
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 12:14 PM

Hope I never fu#k up a chord on stage.


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 12:18 PM

I wish I had been and done enough to be worth a thread on here.
Even if it were just to attack me for no longer being what the audience expected to see at the age of 70.
Maybe if there is a still a mudcat and they still do obits?
Hmmmmmm
I have a cunning plan.


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 12:41 PM

In my opinion this thread should be closed.Dick Miles


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: GUEST,The Ballad of The Bold Researcher
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 12:50 PM

I second the motion Dick


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: Wesley S
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 01:10 PM

No one here hates Davy Graham or wants to pull him down. I've seen no joy expressed about his condition or his performances.

But for the folks who are unhappy with this thread - what do you suggest? Ignore the situation? Hope it goes away? If we don't talk about it - it never happened?


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: Peace
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 01:18 PM

I'd suggest folks who are so concerned speak with Mr Graham about it either in person or via internet.


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: Peace
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 01:18 PM

Internet as in e-mail.


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: Jim Lad
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 01:39 PM

There is no situation.- Just conjecture.
One party was unhappy. - Fair Enough.
Mark Davey responded. - It's between them.

The motion has been seconded. All in favour say "Aye".

Aye!


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: M.Ted
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 02:02 PM

You paid to see Davey Graham play, and you got to see Davey Graham play. No one promised anything else.


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: balladeer
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 02:06 PM

Lowden, I agree with you entirely.

"No matter how much you loved an artist, how bad would the performance have to be before you felt you had been let down?"

This state of balance you refer to is intensely personal and individual. Each of us draws the line in a slightly different place, hence the wide divergence of views axpressed here.

This thread will peter out all on its own. They usually stop dead right after I've made what I thought was a particularly dazzling and thought-provoking contribution. But seriously, I do think if the debate is to continue, it should have a different name.


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: GUEST,TB303
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 02:22 PM

"You paid to see Davey Graham play, and you got to see Davey Graham play. No one promised anything else"

I'll go along with that, Although it cost me the price of 2 tickets & a tenner petrol I was glad i went to see him. Just wish i'd spoke to him as he passed me on the stairs.

One of the moments where you say "shall i, Should i.....?"

I never did & wish i had now cos i doubt i'll ever see him again.

As an artist myself ive always seen criticism as constructive, Whether davey reads this is another matter BUT, Mark pavey has an no doubt will let him know.

I must say though, I thought John Smith was excellent. The Winter tune (where he taps on the guitar for rhythm) was inspirational.

Good lad.

-TB303


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: GUEST,Ian cookieless
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 02:24 PM

I think there is one problem with the written and the spoken word, but especially the written: what a person says may be misinterpreted by others. This is the case, especially with writing, I think, as there is no tone of voice and no body language as a context in which to judge the meaning. And, in conversation, it is easy, in the flow of conversation, to discount something someone said as badly expressed or mis-spoken, if it doesn't match the rest of the flow of meanings. In writing, and especially on Mudcat, I find, people can easily pick you up on a few words, interpreted other than they were meant.

By my title, "Davey Graham: what a waste", I intended to convey the idea that I went to see a unique and profoundly talented and influential man; but what I saw was a man incapable of real performance who made the audience feel sad, embarrassed and uncomfortable. That, I think, is a waste. It is no comment at all on his hugely successful past career or his undoubted legacy: it is simply meant to convey the sadness and anger I felt that night that someone - either he or his manager - saw fit to put him, in that state, on a stage for all to see. No one can enjoy that. For the sake of the man himself (as I have said above), no one wants to see that.

This is going to be my last post on this thread as I think it has more than served its purpose. I never imagined it would get this reaction or this many posts. People will have to make their own minds up where they stand. They should do so having actually seen him play as he now plays. There are enough testaments on this thread to give an indication of what that might be like. I find it hard to understand why some accuse others of paying money to go to a gig to NOT enjoy themselves. To me, that is just a bizarre accusation. And I notice that those who defend this tragic situation of Davy being on a stage and unable to play well have singularly failed to address this very fact.

Maybe, having spent a lot of time trying to get Davy to perform again, Mark Pavey is blinded by his love for the man and his music (if that is his motive). But that is no reason to ignore the facts and then tell lies on this thread. Unable to face reality, he is making up his own.

It was me who said I thought Davy was drunk. Let me explain. I saw him behaving as if he was drunk (as described in my original post) and began to smell alcohol. Now it is perfectly possible, I suppose, that I smelt alcohol from another source close to me and, because DG was behaving in a drunken fashion, associated the two. My two friends, sat next to me at the gig, also thought he was drunk, as did the ushers and other audience members I spoke to. If he was not (and maybe only he knows that), then it raises a fundamental question: if someone is on stage and, for whatever reason, gives the impression of being too inebriated to play, should he be on that stage?

Wesley S, I thank you for your measured and wise post: "No one here hates Davy Graham or wants to pull him down. I've seen no joy expressed about his condition or his performances. But for the folks who are unhappy with this thread - what do you suggest? Ignore the situation? Hope it goes away? If we don't talk about it - it never happened?"

Thank you, good night, and peace to all - especially to Davy Graham.


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: Lowden Jameswright
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 03:06 PM

"You paid to see Davey Graham play, and you got to see Davey Graham play. No one promised anything else."

...in other words, if he'd come on stage and played the bagpipes for 30 minutes before leaving, you'd have no cause for complaint folks.


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: GUEST,TB303
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 03:16 PM

"...in other words, if he'd come on stage and played the bagpipes for 30 minutes before leaving, you'd have no cause for complaint folks."

LOL.

Im just glad i was in the same room as him, Like ive said before his playing wasnt what i was expecting, But, Im just glad i saw him. Bit like when i saw James Brown twice then he died. I can say ive seen James Brown.

-TB303


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: M.Ted
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 03:34 PM

I like the bagpipes. And have noticed a similarity between bagpipes and open tuned guitar that we don't need to get into here--

At any rate, I am lost on your point Lowden--the custom of trade is simply that you are only entitled to a refund if the performer is does not appear. You are entitled to your opinions, of course, but they aren't worth anything at the box office. Back in Philly, someone who carries on as you have is escorted from the premises, often with a few "Tony Soprano" flourishes.


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: Lowden Jameswright
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 06:56 PM

Yep - we all know how things are done in the states!


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: M.Ted
Date: 06 Nov 07 - 12:00 AM

I don't really think you do--for example, it is regarded as being rude indeed to carry on about what a waste we think some venerable and important individual is because we didn't get 17 pounds worth of entertainment on a given evening--oh, wait, you weren't even there that night, were you, Lowden?


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: Snuffy
Date: 06 Nov 07 - 03:59 AM

But those days are past, and the time come at last
For the weakness of age to make way for the young.


Matt Armour


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: balladeer
Date: 06 Nov 07 - 04:40 AM

Do not go gentle into that good night,
       Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
       Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

       Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
       Because their words had forked no lightning they
       Do not go gentle into that good night.

       Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
       Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
       Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

       Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
       And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
       Do not go gentle into that good night.

       Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
       Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
       Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

       And you, my father, there on the sad height,
       Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
       Do not go gentle into that good night.
       Rage, rage against the dying of the light.


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: oggie
Date: 06 Nov 07 - 05:08 AM

Thank you Balladeer. Enough said I feel.

All the best

Steve


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Nov 07 - 05:54 AM

In a way I suppose its regrettable any of this is being said.

I think, the worry that most of us have on hearing this is that DG has just been misunderstood. He was never 'like his records', as they say. At least not like those first two or three records that everybody knows.

Pleasing the public has never really been part of the agenda. When England was folk blues mad, Davy could have cleaned up financially - but it didn't interest him. Moreover he couldn't be bothered to articulate to his audience why he was so enamoured of say Lennie Tristano's work - or Morroccan music.

On reflection, I think I agree with the guy who said - you got Davy Graham, you've got nothing to complain about. Sometimes folk music isn't all about being a great communicator.

My first paid gig was support act to Nic Jones, many years ago. I remember the other floorsingers were bitching wildly and bitterly to me and the organiser because Nic hadn't stayed in the room and watched their efforts - he'd sat in the bar downstairs and just come up when he had to sing.

Some people just are, they can't be themselves and conform to our expectations.


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: goatfell
Date: 06 Nov 07 - 06:04 AM

I don't remeber his records or tapes because i was only a wee boy durning the 1960's I was born in 1965. So I can't Judge the man because I have never heard him live or on Record or Tape


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: Lowden Jameswright
Date: 06 Nov 07 - 06:44 AM

Do yourself a favour Arran, go out and buy a copy of "Folk Blues and Beyond"


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: GUEST,deebemc
Date: 06 Nov 07 - 10:52 AM

I was privileged to see Davey and Holly Glynn in 1972. His playing was patchy but Holly kept the show rolling, When he did play, as he did in places at his Oxford gig in 2005(especially his duet with Bert Jansch), it was simply great.
I like to think of half a loaf better than none, glass half full etc. Nobody wants to do him down but he has been, at best an inconsistent performer over past 40years. As for his recording output, I really would love to have had my CD which I paid up front for but I console myself with helping it reach fruition!!!
Long life , Davey!!


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: Peace
Date: 06 Nov 07 - 11:05 AM

I don't know if y'all are aware, but Pete Seeger is beginning to show signs of age, and it's reflected in his singing/playing somewhat. Whether the nomination for the Nobel comes through or not, I would still give him a standing ovation after any set he did because he deserves my respect for the work of his lifetime. He made much of what musicians do today possible because he helped lead the way in music in a time that music needed leading. His "We Shall Overcome" album recorded live at Carnegie Hall is as close to a great album as great albums get. And what's Pete got to do with Davey? Nothing I guess. Nothing at all. No, nothing . . . .

Some people posting here have made it clear that they remain sitting when their elders enter the room. That says it all to me.


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: GUEST,The Ballad of the Bold Researcher
Date: 06 Nov 07 - 11:44 AM

"But for the folks who are unhappy with this thread - what do you suggest? Ignore the situation? Hope it goes away? If we don't talk about it - it never happened?"


What I suggest is, stop flogging it to death, the same point has be made over and over ad infinitum, ad nauseum.


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 06 Nov 07 - 11:58 AM

GUEST,deebemc - I was at that Oxford gig too - it was pretty good (especially with it being entirely acoustic). It's amazing to think that he and Bert had never shared the stage until they appeared together at Edinburgh in 2005 (I was at that one too!).


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Subject: RE: Davey Graham: what a waste
From: goatfell
Date: 06 Nov 07 - 12:17 PM

I take it it must be a record that you can't get anymore


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