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BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again

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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 10:35 AM

Thanks for the link, Dave. I have family in La Mesa and El Cajon. Safe so far, but things change so very quickly. One family is literally across the street from a large undeveloped park area. These Google maps are such an improvement on the news on used to be able to get, even a few years ago, about fires. It must certainly take some of the strain off of the phone systems for people to look it up themselves. I bet the cell towers are being worked as hard as they've ever worked, though.

You never completely "get over" the years you spend fighting fires. The adrenalin starts up a little and I swear I can smell the grass and other vegetation burning with some of the images coming out of there. We're just getting into grass fire danger here in North Texas (we've had lots of rain this year, so when the lush grass dries there is a lot to burn, and it goes up in a hurry).

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Amos
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 10:49 AM

There actually have been five or six fires including children of the two major ones, Witch Creek in the north and Harris Ranch in the south.

They have not of course had time to do a lot of forensic study. The belief is that high winds knocked down a power line which sparked the southern one. Uncertain as to the northern one. There has been some discussion of arson on various channels, especially as regards a small local fire in San Ysidro.

However, all the discussion is speculative as far as I have heard.

Latest updates: "10:24-07 5:26 a.m. BIRCH HILL EVACUATIONS: Mandatory evacuation Reverse 9-1-1 calls have been sent to 167 residents in Birch Hill near Palomar Mountain . Residents should go to the Temecula Community Recreation Center at 30875 Rancho Vista Road in Temecula

10-24-07 3:51 a.m. DE LUZ EVACUATIONS:   The Sheriff's Department has activated reverse 9-1-1 calls to alert the residents of De Luz of a mandatory evacuation. De Luz is north of Camp Pendleton . Residents are advised to evacuate on De Luz / Murrieta Road north or Sandia Creek Drive north toward Riverside County . "



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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 10:56 AM

I've never heard of reverse 9-1-1 calls before. Interesting. Makes sense.


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Amos
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 10:59 AM

Other updates can be found at http://www.sdcountyemergency.com/.


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 11:23 AM

Perspective

1 in every 300 citizens of the United States have been evacuated or displaced by this fire.

questions:

Why leave the gas on when you leave?

Would the National Guard be of any help in CA rather than overseas?

Have clear channel AM radio stations been of great public service?




sad but true:

George W Bush is now on his way to survey the fire.


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Peace
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 11:30 AM

That'll get things straightened out real soon.


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 11:33 AM

The Lt. Gov of California had nothing but scorn for Bush and the proposed "fly over".

leave the gas on... was that a typo or real advice


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Peace
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 11:45 AM

The gas company in Dan Diego has informed its customers that it will attend to gas lines that need to be shut off.


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Amos
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 11:46 AM

1. "Leave the gas on" is real advice from SDG&E. The reason is that they would rather manage it themselves, since turning the gas back on requires an SDGE person or qualified plumber to do it and there is some issue regarding pressure gradients. I believe they can also manage a whole sub-net at once.

2. The National Guard is being deployed especially in helping with logistics, evac, and some firefighting. Obviously more would be better.

3. Maybe Bush can get caught in an updraft or sompn. But, I have to add, he made an early promise to Arnold to provide all needed help, and we have had tons of supplies provided by the Navy in cots and food for evacuees, plus a number of military water bombers.

4. Radio stations, AM and FM have been constant helpful sources of updates, manning their posts day and night. When KPBS lost their transmitter tower to the fire, another station even leant them bandwidth to keep on broadcasting. The dynamics of mutual help and support shown in this county in response to this catastrophe has been heartwarming.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Azizi
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 11:49 AM

I'm also curious about that advice that people should leave the gas on if they have to evacuate. I thought the gas in the home was supposed to be turned off. And I confess that I'm not sure how to do that in my home.

Also, does "reverse 9-1-1 calls" mean dialing 1-1-9?


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Amos
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 12:06 PM

Reverse 911 is a system that was installed county wide afrter the Cedar fires; it enables a robot to dial every phone in its register for a certain area and recite a message. In this case, the message is "Evacuate your home now." It can be tuned to lists by area so it is usually limited to those geographical regions that are at risk.

The "leave the gas on" is contrary to traditional teachings on the subject, but is promulgated as a request by SDG&E. One reason is that to turn it back on, after the danger is passed, requires a trained person. Another, I believe, is that they prefer to turn off whole blocks or areas at once if necessary, so they can control the pressurizarization when they do turn it back on. There may be other technical factors I am not aware of, but that's my best guess.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Peace
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 12:21 PM

Good guess, Amos.


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Dave Swan
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 12:25 PM

Just heard that my boys are assigned and on the line in Poway on the Witch Fire. They'll do their best it keep it from reaching you, Amos.

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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 12:39 PM

I heard that the general wind speeds is lessening day by day, and that many fires are staying in the ground instead of being flashed thru treetops and throwing embers for a mile. I sure hope so....

Best wishes to Dave's boys and all the rest of the firefighters.


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Amos
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 12:39 PM

Thank you, Sir Swanno. Count on a case of Guinness for your lads when I am next in your area.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: open mike
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 01:41 PM

for those who have propane...LPG...it would still be adviseable to turn off the tank, I believe the problem comes when turning back on, to be sure of all pilot lights being correctly lit...

also we often advise folks to keep the electricity on, esp. if they
have a pump that requires electric to run. we usually try to use the home owner's water to fill our tanks if we are doing structure protection.

today i saw a plea for help evacuationg animals from a sanctuary/barn.
i wonder how they came out...i think this message was from tuesday morn. this was on the freecycle list..

If anyone can go and help Animal Acres evacuate animals from Gentle
Barn or if anyone can take in some animals in their back yards
(temporarily of course) PLEASE call Susie at 661-313-8040. We then
need lots and lots of people to help with the evacuated animals as
they are taken to Animal Acres! We then need lots and lots of people
to help with the evacuated animals as they are taken to Animal
Acres! So please, please, please -- call everybody you know to go
DIRECTLY to ANIMAL ACRES to meet and unload these frightened animals
that will be arriving from Gentle Barn. Iif you don't have a trailer
or a truck, just head to Animal Acres, and await the animals! ANIMAL
ACRES 14 North to Red Rover Mine Rd exit Follow curve, and turn
LEFT onto Ward Rd (one block's distance) Turn LEFT at bottom of Ward
Rd (one block's distance) onto Escondido Canyon Road. PLEASE FORWARD
AND CROSSPOST TO ANYONE WHO CAN HELP IN CALIFORNIA LORRI BAUSTON
(Animal Acres) JUST CALLED BECAUSE GENTLE BARN NEEDS ANOTHER TRAILER
THIS VERY SECOND! The grounds are now on fire and there are 3-4
cows who cannot be evacuated. We need as many trailers and trucks
as possible at Gentle Barn now! The flames are closing in. The
horses are frightened, and Lorri is stating she's not sure all the
animals can be evacuated in time, so PLEASE BRING TRAILERS AND
TRUCKS THERE RIGHT NOW! GENTLE BARN 15825 Sierra Hwy 14 North to
Sand Canyon Road Turn LEFT (west) until it ends (at Sierra Hwy)
Turn RIGHT (north) Go about 1/4 mile. Gentle Barn is on LEFT
Alternate Route: 14 North If anyone can go and help Animal Ccres
evacuate animals from Gentle Barn or if anyone can take in some
animals in their back yards (temporarily of course) PLEASE call
Susie at 661-313-8040. We then need lots and lots of people to help
with the evacuated animals as they are taken to Animal Acres! So
please, please, please -- call everybody you know to go DIRECTLY to
ANIMAL ACRES to meet and unload these frightened animals that will
be arriving from Gentle Barn. Iif you don't have a trailer or a
truck, just head to Animal Acres, and await the animals! ANIMAL
ACRES 14 North to Red Rover Mine Rd exit Follow curve, and turn
LEFT onto Ward Rd (one block's distance) Turn LEFT at bottom of Ward
Rd (one block's distance) onto Escondido Canyon Road See Animal
Acres on LEFT -- first driveway Park out of the way of the incoming
trailers and trucks, and just wait, please. If the 14 is closed
heading up to Animal Acres, find your way north using Sierra Hwy,
Escondido Canyon Road, or however else you can figure out If the 14
is closed heading up to Animal Acres, find your way north using
Sierra Hwy, Escondido Canyon Road, or however else you can figure
out. I'm not there, so cannot tell you accurately of any road
closures, so please understand. Try calling the L.A. County Sheriff'
Dept or the CHP. THANK YOU!


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Dave Swan
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 02:21 PM

The winds are lessening and thought to be turning. Here's where it gets dicey. When the wind is apt to shift quickly it's tough to predict fire behavior, and it's under these conditions that crews get hurt.

D


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Amos
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 02:46 PM

That turning is what has me worried, as well. It's light breezes only here at work, but up where the vortexes of flame meet the hills, it could be a proper bellows. Fingers crossed.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 03:04 PM

Have they called these folks yet?

Supertanker Team:

Sam White
Vice President of Marketing & Sales
TEL: 1.202.638.5500
sam.white@evergreenaviation.com

Supertanker Media Contacts:

Jim Baynes
Supertanker Sales Manager
TEL: 971.237.9482
james.baynes@evergreenaviation.com


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 03:33 PM

Laurel, you know I'm in Wyoming, and can't get to CA. What can I do to help with the animals? Anything? Is it too early to send money? (probably is my guess)


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Amos
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 04:05 PM

Thanks, BB. I am sending this to the CIty Fathers.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Amos
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 04:10 PM

BRuce:

It does not appear from the website that the Evergreen Supertanker is actually deployed yet.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 04:18 PM

I can't imagine that ANYONE is not aware of the fires, and I assume that they are using all available planes that are safe to use in the various fire areas.

(the news last night said that larger craft were not safe in high winds at low altitudes, and were being held back)


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 04:24 PM

I saw the demo flight pictures a few years back- even if they are not in commercial operations, the publicity from using the test aircraft would be worth their while.


A 747 at 400 feet is impressive even before it dumps 24,000 gallons...


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Amos
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 06:10 PM

No doubt. If they have a demo model we'd lovve to see it operating. I sent the link to Jerry Sanders, our lovely Mayor.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 06:16 PM

And even when they dump all that water...it still looks like just a few drops when it hits the fire.


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Peace
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 06:17 PM

Water when it turns into steam expands to 1700 times its volume.


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Dave Swan
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 07:00 PM

Most drops are meant to paint the area ahead of the fire so as to retard its progress; therefore, they are made on fuel rather than flame.


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 07:40 PM

For those who care to follow fires, earthquakes, basic weather...etc...AND have broadband, there is a Windows program that retrieves data from around the world, and for specific locations within the US. I just added San Diego County to my copy, and I can see various updates and maps of San Diego and even fire warnings for the USA in general. It has lots of settings and choices for areas, types of events you wish to monitor and levels.

http://earthalerts.manyjourneys.com/>


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 08:38 PM

I haven't read this thread for a day or so, all I knew was brief radio reports. Thanks to all those who posted links.

And best wishes to those in the fire areas.

Australia is heading into our fire season, but with our smaller population densities, we will never have so many people affected at once.

sandra


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Áine
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 09:23 PM

Geez, Amos my darlin' -- this situation brings back memories!!

Wish I could send some of the rain that's been washing us away all year . . . but, since that's a logical no-go, I'll keep my fingers crossed and send all kinds of positive energy (non-flammable, of course!) your way.

Hugs to all of yours from all of mine, Áine


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Edain
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 10:32 PM

I have to say, this brings back memories of the Cedar Fire, only this time I'm safely around the world. From what I hear from others though it seems the co-ordination of the emergence services is better this time. I hope the winds settle for you.


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Ron Davies
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 10:56 PM

Amos-

Really glad to hear you're doing OK so far. Hope that continues despite the unpredictable nature of the problem.

I heard last night on the radio that part of the reason for the severity of the fire is that the rainy season--October to about March-- just didn't happen at all last year--so everything has been just getting progressively drier for over a year now.   Is that accurate?


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Janie
Date: 25 Oct 07 - 12:12 AM

When my bro-in-law in the Palisades e-mailed last night, he said they predicted the Malibu fire would be under full control by Friday. I see they are ahead of schedule on that one.

I take it you can breath a bit easier for now Amos? (both literally and figuratively.)

If you have a rainy season this year, when does it usually start? On average, how frequently do the Santa Ana winds occur?

Janie


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Sorcha
Date: 25 Oct 07 - 12:28 AM

Does steam do as much good as liquid water? I wouldn't think so because it dissipates so much faster. Asking here, not arguing.

And the fire I was at (not 'on'--Mr was On comm/radio duty) the water was being dumped on the flames. Perhaps ahead of them too, but I didn't actually see that.

I was more interested in the catering folk. Just how they fed that many people on a round the clock schedule, and it was DAMN good food too! NOT MREs or C rations! Every meal was home cooked from scratch and fresh food. Damn, I was impressed! I could expound more but this thread is about FIRE not Food.


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: open mike
Date: 25 Oct 07 - 01:54 AM

Here is the latest status update for the Southern California fires from the National Fire Information Center:

Witch (San Diego County): 145,000 acres at zero percent contained. This fire is one mile east of Ramona. Hundreds of homes and commercial building have been damaged or destroyed. Currently, 5,000 residences and 1,500 commercial properties are threatened in San Diego, Poway, Ramona, Escondido, Lakeside, Valley Center, San Marcos, and Rancho Santa Fe. Wildcat Canyon is closed. Highway 67 is closed from Poway to Ramona. For information, call (619) 590-3160.

Ranch (Angeles National Forest): 54,518 acres at 10 percent contained. This fire is seven miles north of Castaic. Evacuations continue in Chiquito Canyon, Hasley Canyon, Val Verde, Hopper Canyon and toward Filmore. Currently, 500 residences and 50 commercial properties are threatened. Three homes and four outbuildings have been destroyed. For information, call 626-574-5208 or visit the web site: inciweb.org/incident/1002. Buckweed (Los Angeles County): 37,812 acres at 27 percent contained. This fire is 14 miles west of Palmdale. A mandatory evacuation of 15,000 residents remains in effect. More than 55,000 homes in the communities of Santa Clarita, Castaic, Leona Valley, Green Valley, Acton, Agua Dulce, Bouquet Reservoir and Mint Canyon are threatened. For information, call (323) 881-2411.

Harris (San Diego County): 70,000 acres at five percent contained. This fire is two miles southeast of Potrero. At least 200 homes have been destroyed in this fire - more than 50 were in Deerhorn Valley and Honey Springs. Citizens are sheltered at Fire Station 66. Two thousand homes and 500 commercial properties are threatened. More than 3,000 people have been evacuated in the area of Harris Ranch Road and Otay Lake Road. For information, call (619) 590-3160.

Santiago (Orange County): 7,865 acres at 30 percent contained. This fire is 12 miles east of Santa Ana. Highway 241 is closed from Santiago Canyon to Highway 133. Portola Parkway and portions of Jamboree Road in Irvine are closed. 3,500 homes and 150 commercial properties are threatened in the communities of Foothill Ranch, Lake Forest, Modjeska, and Silverado Canyon. For information, call 714-573-6200.

Canyon (Los Angeles County): 3,800 acres at eight percent contained. This fire is two miles north of Malibu. Mandatory evacuations were implemented in the following areas: Monte Nido, Malibu Colony, Malibu Rd., Sweetwater Canyon, Carbon Canyon, Carbon Mesa, Rambla Pacifica, Big Rock, Topanga Canyon, Powder Ranch Rd. and Monte Vista Dr. Currently, 600 residences, 200 commercial buildings, and 100 outbuildings are threatened. Residents from 500 homes have been evacuated. For information, call (323) 881-2411. NEW Rice (Los Angles County FD): 6,100 acres at zero percent contained. This fire is seven miles east of Fallbrook. Right now, 2,500 homes are threatened. The town of Fallbrook has been evacuated. Camp Pendleton and Oceanside are threatened. Hundreds of homes and commercial buildings have been damaged or destroyed. For information, call (619) 590-3160. NEW Magic (Los Angeles County FD): 1,200 acres at zero percent contained. This fire is three miles west of Santa Clarita. Nine hundred homes are threatened in the Santa Clarita and Simi Valley areas. Transportation and oil infrastructres are threatened. For information, call (323) 881-2411.

NEW Poomacha (Monte Vista Unit, Cal Fire): 1,000 acres at zero percent contained. This fire is seven miles east of Pauma Valley. Evacuations are in effect along the Highway 76 Corridor. For information, call (619) 590-3160.

Coronado Hills (San Diego County): 300 acres at zero percent contained. This fire is two miles south of San Marcos. No other information was provided. McCoy (Cleveland National Forest): 300 acres at 50 percent contained. This fire is four miles southwest of Julian. For information, call (619) 590-3160. Grass Valley (San Bernardino National Forest): 300 acres at an unknown percent contained. This fire is north of Lake Arrowhead. For information, call 909-383-5688 or visit the web site: inciweb.org/incident/1003/

Roca (Riverside County, California Department of Forestry): This fire was contained at 269 acres.

Sedgewick (Los Padres National Forest): This fire was contained at 710 acres.


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Amos
Date: 25 Oct 07 - 07:43 AM

Ron:

Parts of the county, perhaps. My region had several good doses of rain, but they were short. I am not accustomed to thinking of a rainy season in San Diego, and one reason is that it often falls, as it does in Camelot, at night. There are many microclimates, tending to get more arid as you go east from the ocean.

We typically get between 10 and 12 inches a year, and the heaviest months are traditional January, February and December. Here's a month by month description.

It is cooler here this morning, with the Santa Ana winds having abated, so we are hopeful that major inroads will be made today.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Big Mick
Date: 25 Oct 07 - 08:02 AM

Amos, I am following this with breath held. You and all the SoCal 'Catters are in my thoughts and prayers. I used to live out there in the middle of that. Any update on the Chula Vista area fire? Is it in the Sweetwater River valley? Or out by Brown Field? I lived and have friends out there.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Big Mick
Date: 25 Oct 07 - 08:04 AM

It's being reported that two of the fires may be arson.

Swanno, I know that you are worried sick for your crew. Hope all is OK.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Amos
Date: 25 Oct 07 - 09:31 AM

The Harris fire is the one that swept down along the border region. Chula Vista was put on voluntary evacuation in certain areas, and this constraint was later lifted. But the wilder regions east of the city have been a battle field against raging fire.


"The base camps set up around the county to house command posts also include tents with cots where firefighters sleep. Some are staying in hotels. But many are sleeping wherever they can.

After 24 hours of fighting the Harris fire near Deerhorn Valley, Vic Lofton and his crew curled up against the tires of their firetrucks or just sprawled on the ground. For those still awake, the fatigue was evident in their long, unfocused stares.

"We rest when we can," Lofton said. "If you don't sleep, it will catch up to you." Then a call came in.

The crew hauled themselves off the ground and stood, ready to head to another hot spot."



The current state of the Harris fire: "6:44 p.m. October 23, 2007:

"The Harris fire started the day heading toward Bonita and Chula Vista on Tuesday, then shifted in the afternoon and advanced toward Rancho San Diego. Mandatory evacuation orders were issued – then lifted – for residents of Bonita's Sunnyside neighborhood and Chula Vista's San Miguel Ranch.

"Evacuations remained in effect for north Jamul, the state Route 67 corridor north of Lakeside, and the area of Rancho San Diego bordered by Del Rio Road, Steele Canyon Road, Fury Lane and Millar Ranch Road. "

A


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 25 Oct 07 - 09:33 AM

Some of our recent fires are suspected to have been set by arsonists, and no doubt we'll hear more about arsonists when the fire season really gets going.

sandra


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Peace
Date: 25 Oct 07 - 09:43 AM

Amos: how's the electrical power situation?


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Peace
Date: 25 Oct 07 - 09:49 AM

I hope that California has some seriously stiff arson laws in place. If it plays out that way (arson), there are deaths involved.


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Amos
Date: 25 Oct 07 - 09:53 AM

The major transmission line which was downed by the Harris fire and put the county at risk of a major blackout was repaired by SDGE hero crews working frantically; they beat their labor estimate by 50%.

If convicted of arson, a person faces sentence of up to ten years, and in addition he may face murder charges. There have been several collateral deaths, elderly collapsing under the stress of evacuation, and one directly caused by the Harris fire.

At least one of the fires around here is thought to be an arson incident but the evidence won't be sifted carefully until the major firefighting is over.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Peace
Date: 25 Oct 07 - 09:58 AM

Thanks for the info, A.


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Oct 07 - 12:07 PM

I just talked with my son in law. They are still at his parents' (and it is in Trabuco Canyon); they plan to go home tomorrow- because there is a hockey game they want to attend tonight. He said, That sounds silly, I know.

The air quality is still bad but the humidity has shot up dramatically and the winds have died. Their home is still standing as are all the homes in their community (Hidden Meadows in north Escondido).

They are fortunate indeed. For a great many other people, now starts the hard part.


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: GUEST,George
Date: 25 Oct 07 - 12:45 PM

Amos: This is for you buddy.


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: saulgoldie
Date: 25 Oct 07 - 12:57 PM

My heartfelt thoughts and prayers go out to those, especially Mudcatters and their loved ones who are in harm's way in the fire area.


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: saulgoldie
Date: 25 Oct 07 - 01:04 PM

Don't know if anyone has mentioned this earlier in the thread (and not to make light of the situation by any stretch of the imagination), but:

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/fox-news-al-qaeda-is-causing-the- ca-wildires/

To which I can only add, MRSA is likely an al-qaeda plot. And when it arrives, avian flu will be also. Furthermore, I believe that it was an al-qaeda plot that I got up feeling very sleepy this morning, and that my normal cup of coffee was of no relief.


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Subject: RE: BS: San Diego/California Wildfires Again
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Oct 07 - 01:06 PM

open mike, Amos

Good on you for such accurate needed information.


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