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BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world

Uncle_DaveO 06 Sep 11 - 09:55 AM
Jeri 06 Sep 11 - 11:35 AM
Amos 06 Sep 11 - 11:44 AM
GUEST,999 06 Sep 11 - 01:03 PM
EBarnacle 06 Sep 11 - 01:03 PM
Helen 06 Sep 11 - 04:26 PM
GUEST,josepp 06 Sep 11 - 06:07 PM
autolycus 06 Sep 11 - 06:56 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 06 Sep 11 - 08:01 PM
Mrrzy 06 Sep 11 - 09:21 PM
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Midchuck 07 Sep 11 - 08:39 AM
GUEST,Uncle_DaveO 07 Sep 11 - 08:46 AM
Naemanson 07 Sep 11 - 08:54 AM
GUEST,999 07 Sep 11 - 09:25 AM
theleveller 07 Sep 11 - 10:27 AM
Zen 07 Sep 11 - 10:54 AM
kendall 07 Sep 11 - 10:56 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 09:55 AM

Bluesman, the fuller version of that quote is:

What a glorious thing youth is. And what a pity that it's wasted on the young.

And the usual attribution is George Bernard Shaw

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 11:35 AM

"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." - Thomas Paine in First Principles of Government (1795)


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Amos
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 11:44 AM

If money is your hope for independence you will never have it. The only real security that a man will have in this world is a reserve of knowledge, experience, and ability.

Henry Ford


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 01:03 PM

The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.

Mark Twain


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: EBarnacle
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 01:03 PM

Once, I invented a quote: "The river runs all the way to the sea" and attributed it to Lohr, honoring Data's brother on Star Trek. I was embarassed to find out that there really is someone by that name.

"Everyone is an expert but no one is an expert on everything." This quote by Will Rogers should be kept in mind during our BS threads.


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Helen
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 04:26 PM

"It is better to remain silent, and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt" Abraham Lincoln.

"If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem" Charles Rosner, often attributed to Eldridge Cleaver.

Two of my favourites which are always relevant, in my opinion.

Helen


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,josepp
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 06:07 PM

Tell a lie enough times and people will come to believe it.
---Joseph Goebbels


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: autolycus
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 06:56 PM

The Golden Rule.

Whoever has the gold makes the rules.


{Source required]


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 08:01 PM

"War does not determine who is right, it determines who is LEFT.".......Attributed to Confucius (Though I think it's probably much more recent).

It's a small world, unless you have to paint it....Les Barker.


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 09:21 PM

Nice thread, well-revived.

I liked Lazarus Long, but Heinlein got so sexist I couldn't stand to read his stuff any more.

I mean, make sure she has her own desk? Shouldn't that be HER decision?

I like the Nietzsche one, quoted elsewhere probably more correctly, something like Then up spake one old greybeard of a god, and quoth he, I am the Lord they God, you shall have no other gods before Me... and all the other gods died laughing.

I also think he was the one who said, after Voltaire said that if god hadn't existed it would have been necessary to invent him, that the same could not be said of Voltaire. That is, if he hadn't existed, there would have been no need to invent him.

Ingersoll said something about Ignorance is the soil in which belief in miracles flourishes.

I thought Data's brother was Lore, as in, data and lore.


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 10:00 PM

"Whoever has the gold makes the rules"

Jafar says it to Alladin in the prison when hes disguised as an old man. He was trying to get him to go to the cave of wonders....


I found that little gem on the www at some answers.com or other.


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Midchuck
Date: 07 Sep 11 - 08:39 AM

I liked Lazarus Long, but Heinlein got so sexist I couldn't stand to read his stuff any more.

I mean, make sure she has her own desk? Shouldn't that be HER decision?


Mrrzy, you got it bass-ackwards!

Heinlein STARTED OUT sexist (by today's standards), and gradually evolved into being less so. What we now call sexism was the normal assumptions of society in general at the time of his childhood - heck, of mine, for that matter. He did a better job of growing out of them than a great many people did. I mean, taking your quote in particular, a great many people (mostly, but not all, men) born when he was would oppose the idea that a man should keep your hands off his wife's desk. After all, she's only a woman, and likely to do something foolish if you don't check on her constantly...

I think the term is "presentism." The idea that people in earlier generations were evil, simply because they didn't share all of our present assumptions about the right way to act. I'm sure that the people 50 or 100 years from now will think that WE were evil. Although I have now idea what their assumptions about morals and ethics will be.

Peter


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,Uncle_DaveO
Date: 07 Sep 11 - 08:46 AM

Don, your quote,
"War does not determine who is right, it determines who is LEFT."
can't be from Confucius, because it's dependent on the English language use of "right" and "left".

The saying has to be from an English speaker, or at the very least, some related language.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Naemanson
Date: 07 Sep 11 - 08:54 AM

The whole of the Sullivan Ballou letter, preferably with Ashoken Farewell playing in the background, from Ken Burns's Civil War. In this day and age of our soldiers fighting in foreign lands it surely strikes a chord.


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,999
Date: 07 Sep 11 - 09:25 AM

"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."

Bertrand Russell


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: theleveller
Date: 07 Sep 11 - 10:27 AM

"The decadent international but individualistic capitalism in the hands of which we found ourselves after the war is not a success. It is not intelligent. It is not beautiful. It is not just. It is not virtuous. And it doesn't deliver the goods."
John Maynard Keynes


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Zen
Date: 07 Sep 11 - 10:54 AM

Frank Zappa (from failing memory so it might be slightly out): The two most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity but not neccessarily in that order.


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: kendall
Date: 07 Sep 11 - 10:56 AM

He has given sodomy a bad name. (Winston Churchill)


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: theleveller
Date: 07 Sep 11 - 11:21 AM

The Zappa quote brings to mind another of his gems: "The mind is like a parachute - it only works when it's open."


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Midchuck
Date: 07 Sep 11 - 12:07 PM

"When you're teetotal...when you're teetotal, you've always got the rotten feeling that everybody's your boss..."

- Ramblin' Jack Elliot, in "I Belong to Glascow." Don't know if that line was original to him or not.

Peter


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Sep 11 - 12:14 PM

"If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem"

I always thought that this was a misquote of the original quote: "If you are part of the problem, then you are part of the solution." Which makes more sense, if you think about it.

Saul


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: theleveller
Date: 07 Sep 11 - 12:21 PM

"A civilization flourishes when people plant trees under which they will never sit." Chinese proverb.


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 08 Sep 11 - 10:50 AM

"The race is not always to the swift nor the battle to the strong, but that is the way to bet."

    Damon Runyon


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: kendall
Date: 08 Sep 11 - 11:49 AM

Money doesn't bring happiness, but if you have enough of it you can choose the kind of misery that suites you best.


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Ed T
Date: 08 Sep 11 - 12:28 PM

It's hard being black. You ever been black? I was black once-when I was poor. Larry Holmes

This taught me a lesson, but I'm not sure what it is.
John McEnroe

You miss 100% of the shots you never take.
Wayne Gretzky

I define fear as standing across the ring from Joe Louis and knowing he wants to go home early.
Max Baer

Rage takes energy, and I want to keep my energy focused. If a man hits me, I'll think, good for you, that's a good shot.
Lennox Lewis


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Ed T
Date: 08 Sep 11 - 12:30 PM

""The fortunate man, in my opinion, is he to whom the gods have granted the power either to do something which is worth recording or to write what is worth reading, and most fortunate of all is he who can do both. Such a man was my uncle.""
[Pliny the Younger, Letters 6.16.3; tr. B. Radice


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Ed T
Date: 08 Sep 11 - 12:39 PM

""There is nothing worse than a sharp image of a fuzzy concept."" - Ansel Adams


""Never be afraid to laugh at yourself, after all, you could be missing out on the joke of the century.""
- Dame Edna Everage

""Our major obligation is not to mistake slogans for solutions."" - Gielogo Pensczekrelto

""All human beings should try to learn before they die what they are running from, and to, and why.""
- James Thurber

""There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else."" - James Thurber


""We pray for circumstance, deal with happenstance, and accept consequence…"" -Admiral Pluto Krozabeeep

"Jeez Arnie, this damn chef's hat is too tight and is makin' my brain hurt. No wonder this stuff we put in these cans tastes like crap!" - Hector Boiardi (yes, that Chef Boy-R-Dee!!!)




""The time to be happy is now; the place to be happy is here.""   - Robert G. Ingersoll



"The future keeps telling you what the past was about."" -Tammy Skleerna


"Train rides/trainwrecks, notta lotta diff', 'ceptin' fer one crucial detail, n'est ce pas?"
- Admiral Pluto Krozabeeep


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 08 Sep 11 - 04:17 PM

"An explanation should be as simple as possible.....and no simpler

.....Albert Einstein


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: autolycus
Date: 09 Sep 11 - 06:07 AM

"There are many kinds of risks in life: emotional, intellectual and physical. The important ones are those that help you to grow and express your values.

"To laugh is to risk appearing foolish.
"To weep is to risk appearing foolish.
"To reach out for another is to risk involvement.
"To expose feelings is to risk exposing your true self.
"To place your ideas and dreams before the crowd is to risk loss.
"To love is to risk not being loved in return.
"To live is to risk dying.
"To hope is to risk despair.
"To try at all is to risk failure.

"But risk we must because the greatest hazard is to risk nothing at all."

Thus far the quote is by Wally "Famous" Amos.

The continuation by an unknown hand is:-

"The person who risks nothing has nothing, is nothing, does nothing.
"They may avoid suffering and sorrow but simply cannot learn, feel, change, grow, love, live.
"Chained by attitudes we become slaves, forfeit freedom.
"Only the person who takes risks is free."


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 09 Sep 11 - 08:05 AM

""The saying has to be from an English speaker, or at the very least, some related language.""

More or less what I thought Dave, though you expressed it rather better.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: kendall
Date: 09 Sep 11 - 09:10 AM

"You must know where you were to know where you are; you must know where you are to know where you are going."

Life is like a roll of toilet tissue. The older you get, the faster it goes."


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: kendall
Date: 09 Sep 11 - 09:12 AM

To my Father:
No man ever need be a total failure. He can always serve as a bad example.


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: autolycus
Date: 09 Sep 11 - 09:25 AM

Correction

The beginning of the list within should have read

"To laugh is to risk appearing foolish.
"To weep is to risk appearing sentimental."


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 Sep 11 - 11:42 AM

There are two lines in Louis McNeice's Autumn Journal, supposed to refer to the Ancient World, which strike me these days as a fine description of my early years:~

   It was all so unimaginably different
   And all so long ago.

~Michael~


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Sep 11 - 12:29 PM

Heilein's idea (later) of not being sexist was to write women being exactly like men (never too busy for a little squeeze-titty etc). That is sexist to me, I like my women womanly.

But then again he did say some good things:

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." (still sexist but I like it.)

"The universe never did make sense; I suspect it was built on government contract."

"Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again."

Then here are some more from Ingersoll:

"If a man would follow, today, the teachings of the Old Testament, he would be a criminal. If he would follow strictly the teachings of the New, he would be insane."

"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself."

and

"Anger blows out the lamp of the mind."


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Midchuck
Date: 10 Sep 11 - 12:50 PM

Heilein's idea (later) of not being sexist was to write women being exactly like men

Then why did he say: Men are more sentimental than women. It blurs their thinking.?

...But then again he did say some good things:

Such as:

Rub her feet.

History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it.

Never frighten a little man. He'll kill you.

Political tags--such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and. so forth--are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort.


But enough. Google "notebooks of Lazarus Long" and decide for yourself.

Peter


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 10 Sep 11 - 03:25 PM

"What does not kill me makes me so miserable that I wish were dead."
--Mad magazine.


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Smokey.
Date: 10 Sep 11 - 03:46 PM

What doesn't kill me makes me stranger. (trad)


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: autolycus
Date: 10 Sep 11 - 05:59 PM

The one about "What doesn't kill me makes me stronger" is untrue because, apart from those killed, there are others who get weakened woithout dying.


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Smokey.
Date: 10 Sep 11 - 06:33 PM

Very true, Autolycus.


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 11 Sep 11 - 05:33 AM

No-one seems quite sure who first said "Everything nice is either illegal, immoral or fattening". I have heard both Dorothy Parker & W C Fields put forward as candidates.

But, whoever said it, there it is ...

~Michael~


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 11 Sep 11 - 09:28 AM

MtheGM, the most likely coiner was the theater critic Alexander Woollcott. According to an article in the Reader's Digest in 1933, he said more than once, "All the things I really like to do are either immoral, illegal, or fattening."

Woollcott rarely gets credit because he's no longer famous.

The inclusion of "illegal" raises the possibility - no more than that - that he was thinking of Prohibition, in effect in the U.S. from 1920 through 1933.


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 11 Sep 11 - 10:41 AM

Thanks, Lighter. Yes, Prohibition seems a good suggestion re the 'illegal', indeed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: kendall
Date: 11 Sep 11 - 04:47 PM

When all your relationships become battle ships it's time to change course.


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,Bert
Date: 11 Sep 11 - 06:11 PM

Give me a key and I'll play in any flat. - Jack Fallon


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Smokey.
Date: 11 Sep 11 - 11:01 PM

Idleness is the grandmother of invention.


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 01:01 AM

There comes a time in the affairs of man when he must take the bull by the tail and face the situation.
                                                                                                                                           --W. C. Fields

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: kendall
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 12:17 PM

When in Rome, do as the Romanians do. (G. Bush)


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,Uncle_DaveO
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 03:44 PM

Lies: "A lie is a sin, and a shame . . . and an ever-present help in time of trouble."
       Adlai Stevenson


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,roderick warner
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 07:44 PM

'A complex God is less likely to rally violent mobs.' Jaron Lanier.

And slightly at variance maybe:

'that eternal dissent

and the ravages of

faction are preferable

to the voluntary

servitude of blind

obedience'

from 'The Protestant View' by the great, late Edward Dorn...


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