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BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world

Stilly River Sage 06 Oct 07 - 01:40 PM
GUEST,ed 06 Oct 07 - 01:55 PM
Bill D 06 Oct 07 - 05:48 PM
GUEST,ed 07 Oct 07 - 09:59 AM
Uncle_DaveO 07 Oct 07 - 11:12 AM
Stilly River Sage 07 Oct 07 - 11:20 AM
Amos 07 Oct 07 - 12:22 PM
Bill D 07 Oct 07 - 01:54 PM
heric 07 Oct 07 - 02:25 PM
GUEST,Scorpio 07 Oct 07 - 07:25 PM
3refs 08 Oct 07 - 07:04 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 08 Oct 07 - 12:02 PM
Amos 25 Oct 07 - 01:09 PM
Teribus 26 Oct 07 - 10:21 AM
Midchuck 26 Oct 07 - 10:24 AM
Amos 28 Oct 07 - 06:50 PM
GUEST,Tierod Willie 29 Oct 07 - 09:25 AM
Rapparee 29 Oct 07 - 09:36 AM
Little Hawk 29 Oct 07 - 10:46 AM
Bert 29 Oct 07 - 04:51 PM
Mickey191 29 Oct 07 - 09:07 PM
mrdux 29 Oct 07 - 10:21 PM
GUEST,.gargoyle 29 Oct 07 - 11:03 PM
katlaughing 02 Sep 11 - 03:06 PM
Ed T 02 Sep 11 - 04:07 PM
Dorothy Parshall 02 Sep 11 - 05:34 PM
Midchuck 02 Sep 11 - 07:29 PM
katlaughing 03 Sep 11 - 12:18 AM
frogprince 03 Sep 11 - 02:13 AM
autolycus 03 Sep 11 - 04:27 AM
Midchuck 03 Sep 11 - 08:29 AM
saulgoldie 03 Sep 11 - 10:12 AM
kendall 03 Sep 11 - 03:28 PM
meself 03 Sep 11 - 03:58 PM
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Midchuck 03 Sep 11 - 04:54 PM
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Midchuck 03 Sep 11 - 07:41 PM
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autolycus 04 Sep 11 - 09:23 AM
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Crowhugger 05 Sep 11 - 01:08 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Oct 07 - 01:40 PM

One that I wrote in an undergraduate paper years ago but that I realize as I studied more is echoed in philosophy over the eons is that "Man created God in his own image." I haven't made note of the more famous variants of it, but I recognize that there are a lot of famous thinkers who said it earlier.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,ed
Date: 06 Oct 07 - 01:55 PM

Breathes there the man with soul so dead
Who never to himself hath said
When he stubbed his toe getting into bed
x ! x ! xxxxxxxxx ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !! 3 ? ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Oct 07 - 05:48 PM

Breathes there the man with soul so dead
Who never to himself hath said,
"I need this job like a hole in the head!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,ed
Date: 07 Oct 07 - 09:59 AM

So much Tofurkey, so little time!


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 07 Oct 07 - 11:12 AM

SRS, I knew that when I was at the University of Minnesota, say 55 years ago. No idea where it came from.


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Oct 07 - 11:20 AM

Even more than a quote, it's a realization and a turning point.


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Amos
Date: 07 Oct 07 - 12:22 PM

A very important one; it identifies the crashing illogicality of reversing the projection as a mechanism of manipulation. It identifies the powerful distorting effect of naming the wrong source for something. And it identifies the inherent creative freedom of the individual willing to cast of cloaks of social determination.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Oct 07 - 01:54 PM

Translation from AmosSpeak.

"It shows how silly it is to suppose that YOUR ideas are really from out 'there' somewhere. And it makes thinking for yourself a positive thing."


sorta...


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: heric
Date: 07 Oct 07 - 02:25 PM

"Well that's us fucked."

(Liz the Squeek?)


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,Scorpio
Date: 07 Oct 07 - 07:25 PM

Out of the clouds
a voice said,
"Cheer up, and be happy!
Things could be worse!"
So I cheered up,
and was happy,
and behold:
things became worse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: 3refs
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 07:04 AM

Tecumseh's entire quote

"So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your
heart.
Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their
view, and demand that they respect yours.
Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people.
Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide.
Alwaysgive a word or a sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend, even a stranger, when in a lonely place.
Show respect to all people and grovel to none.
When you arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living.
If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies only in
yourself.
Abuse no one and nothing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs the spirit of its vision.
When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way.
Sing your death song and die like a hero going home."


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 12:02 PM

To hell with Tecumseh, I wanna live forever......ME!

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Amos
Date: 25 Oct 07 - 01:09 PM

"Justice in the hands of the powerful is merely a governing system like any other. Why call it justice? Let us rather call it injustice, but of a sly effective order, based entirely on cruel knowledge of the resistance of the weak, their capacity for pain, humiliation and misery." -- Georges Bernanos - 1888-1948) Source: in Diary of a Country Priest

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"What no one seemed to notice. . . was the ever widening gap. . .between the government and the people. . . And it became always wider. . . the whole process of its coming into being, was above all diverting, it provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway . . . (it) gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about . . .and kept us so busy with continuous changes and 'crises' and so fascinated . . . by the machinations of the 'national enemies,' without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us. . .

From Milton Mayer, They Thought They Were Free, The Germans, 1938-45 (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1955)
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11845.htm

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"Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence, (I conjure you to believe me fellow citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of Republican Government." -- George Washington (1732-1799) Founding Father, 1st US President, 'Father of the Country' Source: Farewell Address, September 17, 1796, Ref: George Washington: A Collection, W.B. Allen, ed. (521)


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Oct 07 - 10:21 AM

"There is no such thing as a little war for a great country" Wellington


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Midchuck
Date: 26 Oct 07 - 10:24 AM

Anybody remember the actual wording of the Woody Allen line about having a "need to return to the womb - any womb"?


Peter


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Amos
Date: 28 Oct 07 - 06:50 PM

"The Age of Nations is past. The task before us now, if we would not perish, is to build the Earth."

Teilhard de Chardin

(Thanks, Carol C.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,Tierod Willie
Date: 29 Oct 07 - 09:25 AM

Great thread.

"You may have heard the msic of Man, but you have not heard the music of Earth. You may have heard the music of Earth, but you have not heard the music of Heaven."

Chuang Tzu, 2nd Cent. B.C.

"You may have heard the music of heaven, but you have not heard the music of hell."

William T. Shefchik, Las Vegas, Nevadsa, 1996 A.D.


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Oct 07 - 09:36 AM

I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat.

On account of being a democracy and run by the people, we are the only nation in the world that has to keep a government four years, no matter what it does.

Take the diplomacy out of war and the thing would fall flat in a week.

This country has come to feel the same when Congress is in session as when the baby gets hold of a hammer.

The more you read and observe about this Politics thing, you got to admit that each party is worse than the other. The one that's out always looks the best.

                      -- all from Will Rogers


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Oct 07 - 10:46 AM

LOL! Bravo, Will Rogers!


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Bert
Date: 29 Oct 07 - 04:51 PM

Everything I need to know I learned on Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Mickey191
Date: 29 Oct 07 - 09:07 PM

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: mrdux
Date: 29 Oct 07 - 10:21 PM

"We do not believe any group of men adequate enough or wise enough to operate without scrutiny or without criticism. We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it, that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. We know that in secrecy, error undetected will flourish and subvert."

                        – J. Robert Oppenheimer


       "Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes."

                        – Henry David Thoreau, Walden (1854), I. Economy.


    Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam.
        (I have a catapult. Give me all your money, or I will fling an enormous rock at your head.)

                        – Anon


to SRS and Uncle Dave --

The earliest version I've found:

"If God has made us in his image, we have returned him the favor."
("Si Dieu nous a fait à son image, nous le lui avons bien rendu.")

                       – Voltaire, Notebooks (c.1735-c.1750)


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 29 Oct 07 - 11:03 PM

Began the novel today: Sinclair Lewis Babbitt Chapter One "George F. Babbitt Starts the Day" page 2.

His name was George F. Babbitt. He was forty-six years old now, in April, 1920 and he made nothing in particular, neigher butter nor shoe nor poety, but he was minble in the calling of selling houses for more than people could afford to pay.

Hmmmmm - overpriced loan collapse?

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Sep 11 - 03:06 PM

So many gods,
So many creeds,
So many paths
That wind and wind,
While just the act of
Being kind is all the
Sad world needs.


- Ella Wheeler Wilcox -


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Ed T
Date: 02 Sep 11 - 04:07 PM

Not really a quote, a definition
Bustard- A very rude bus driver.


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 02 Sep 11 - 05:34 PM

In the end, we conserve only what we love. We will love only what we understand. We will understand only what we are taught." - Baba Dioum, Senegalese poet

"Small acts, when multiplied by millions of people, can quietly become a power no government can suppress, a power than can transform the world." -The late people's historian Howard Zinn (August 24, 1922 – January 27, 2010)


"Excellence is the result of caring more than others think
is wise; risking more than others think is safe; dreaming
more than others think is practical; and expecting more
than others think is possible." ~ Anonymous


The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." --Albert Einstein

"If one life has breathed easier because you have lived this is the meaning of success" Emerson


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Midchuck
Date: 02 Sep 11 - 07:29 PM

This may be longer than was looked for on this thread. But I read it back in the '70s, and it shook me so badly, that someone else was into my head so thoroughly, that when I got a computer, many years later, I typed the whole thing in.

P.

*********************************************************

I am apart. Always I have seen around me all the games and parades of life
and have always envied the players and the marchers. I watch the cards
they play and feel in my belly the hollowness as the big drums go by, and
I smile and shrug and say, Who needs games? Who wants parades. The
world seems to be masses of smiling people who hug each other and sway
back and forth in front of a fire and sing old songs and laugh into each
others' faces, all truth and trust. And I kneel at the edge of the woods, too
far to feel the heat of the fire. Everything seems to come to me in some kind
of secondhand way which I cannot describe. Am I not meat and tears, bone
and fears, just as they? Yet when most deeply touched, I seem, too often,
to respond with smirk or sneer, another page in my immense catalog of
remorses. I seem forever on the edge of expressing the inexpressible,
touching what has never been touched, but I cannot reach through the veil
of apartness. I am living without being truly alive. I can love without
loving. When I am in the midst of friends, when there is laughter,
closeness, empathy, warmth, sometimes I can look at myself from a little way
off and think that they do not really know who is with them there, what
strangeness is there beside them, trying to be something else.

Once, just deep enough into the cup to be articulate about subjective
things, I tried to tell Meyer all this. I shall never forget the strange
expression on his face. "But we are all like that!" he said. "That's the way
it is. For everyone in the world. Didn't you know?"

I tried to believe him. But belief is a very difficult feat when you crouch
out here in the night, too far from the fire to feel its heat, too far from the
people to hear the words of their songs.

    MacDonald, John D., The Scarlet Ruse. Fawcett, 1973, p. 264


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Sep 11 - 12:18 AM

That gives me chills, Midchuck. Thanks for posting it. I hope it is not reflective for you so much now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: frogprince
Date: 03 Sep 11 - 02:13 AM

Midchuck, have you read the last Travis McGee book? I suspect that McDonald knew he wouldn't live to write another one. McGee meets, and reconciles with, a daughter that he hadn't known he had; it brings him in from the cold.


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: autolycus
Date: 03 Sep 11 - 04:27 AM

"They say the internet is amazing. That you can call up any book. Go to the page you want; to the very paragraph!.

"Bit like a library really."

[Ben Elton, quoted by Bill Nighy in the programme Grumpy Old Men.]


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Midchuck
Date: 03 Sep 11 - 08:29 AM

Midchuck, have you read the last Travis McGee book? I suspect that McDonald knew he wouldn't live to write another one. McGee meets, and reconciles with, a daughter that he hadn't known he had; it brings him in from the cold.

Oh, yeah. When I read fiction, it's usually science fiction or fantasy. But I read everything McDonald published from the '70s up to his death. As I did with Richard Parker up to his.

Peter


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: saulgoldie
Date: 03 Sep 11 - 10:12 AM

Interesting discussion about quotes here:


http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=140163723&m=140163694


Saul


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: kendall
Date: 03 Sep 11 - 03:28 PM

Never squat while wearing spurs, and never slap a man whose chewing tobacco has been attributed to Will Rogers.


So many Christians, so few Lions.
Never own anything that you have to feed or paint
A man should try everything once, except incest and Morris dancing.
All three Utah Phillips.


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: meself
Date: 03 Sep 11 - 03:58 PM

"never slap a man whose chewing tobacco has been attributed to Will Rogers"

Now there's a piece of advice I'm going to put into action today!


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 03 Sep 11 - 04:13 PM

Kendall, where did Will Rogers get the tobacco in the first place?

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Midchuck
Date: 03 Sep 11 - 04:54 PM

The apostrophe is the difference between a business that knows its s*** and a business that knows it's s***.

P.


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Sep 11 - 05:35 PM

A man should try everything once, except incest and Morris dancing.

Generally attributed to the conductor Sir Thomas Beecham.

Of course he got it wrong about the Morris Dancing. More insightful when he said: "There are two golden rules for an orchestra: start together and finish together. The public doesn't give a damn what goes on in between."   Applies to just about any musical ensemble. Possibly not so much to Morris Bands, because the dancers are liable to get distracted, and that shows. (Maybe that's why Sir Thomas didn't approve of them...)


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: kendall
Date: 03 Sep 11 - 07:29 PM

Dave, I don't understand your question?


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Midchuck
Date: 03 Sep 11 - 07:41 PM

Kendall, you wrote:

"never slap a man whose chewing tobacco has been attributed to Will Rogers"

When you meant to write:

"Never slap a man who's chewing tobacco" has been attributed to Will Rogers.

See my quote about the significance of the apostrophe, below. I was reminded of it by your post.

P.


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Joe_F
Date: 03 Sep 11 - 08:02 PM

Peace: Likewise, I have forgotten who said "The people who make history are even dumber than the people who write it".


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: autolycus
Date: 04 Sep 11 - 09:23 AM

"A man should try everything once, except incest and Morris dancing."


"Generally attributed to the conductor Sir Thomas Beecham."


Actually originates in the war-time autobiography of Sir Arnold Bax.


Anything attributed to beecham should be treated circumspectly. Ditto Twain and Wilde.



"Ecology. Look it up. You're involved." [Ben Metcalfe. ecologist].

Just to save the bother,

"Ecology.It's a branch of science concerned with the relationships between organisms and their environment."


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Micca
Date: 04 Sep 11 - 03:00 PM

They told us you'll conquer when you submit.
We've submitted and found ashes.
They told us you'll conquer when you love.
We loved and found ashes.
They told us you'll conquer when you abandon your life.
We abandoned our life and found ashes.

We found ashes.
It remains to rediscover our life, now that we've nothing left. I imagine that he who'll rediscover life, in spite of so much paper, so many emotions, so many debates, and so much teaching, will be someone like us, only with a slightly tougher memory. We ourselves can't help still remembering what we've given. He'll remember only what he's gained from each of his offerings. What can a flame remember? If it remembers a little less than is necessary, it goes out; if it remembers a little more than is necessary, it goes out. If only it could teach us, while it burns, to remember correctly. I've come to an end: if only someone else could begin at the point where I've ended. There are times when I have the impression that I've reached the limit, that everything's in its place, ready to sing together in harmony. The machine on the point of starting. I can even imagine it in motion, alive, like something unexpectedly new. But there's still something: an infinitesimal obstacle, a grain of sand, shrinking and shrinking yet unable to disappear completely. I don't know what I ought to say or what I ought to do. Sometimes that obstacle seems to me like a teardrop wedged into some articulation of the orchestra, keeping it silent until it's been dissolved. And I have an unbearable feeling that all the rest of my life won't be sufficient to dissolve this drop within my soul. And I'm haunted by the thought that, if they were to burn me alive, this obstinate moment would be the last to surrender.
Stratis Thalassinos describes a Man, George Seferis


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Crowhugger
Date: 05 Sep 11 - 01:08 PM

I don't know who said this, maybe a someone out there can provide that information, but I often enjoy this quotation, picked up (unattributed) from an e-mail:

"Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground."


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: autolycus
Date: 05 Sep 11 - 01:25 PM

No joy so far.


Patience and time do more than force and rage, [La Fontaine 1621-1695]


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 05 Sep 11 - 02:07 PM

Kendall, the word "whose" indicates possession or ownership.

Thus that statement can meaningfully be reworded as:

Never squat while wearing spurs, and never slap a man who owns chewing tobacco which has been attributed to Will Rogers.

If "the man" got the tobacco (directly or indirectly) from Will Rogers, where did Will Rogers get it? As phrased, the statement says nothing about what "the man" is doing with the tobacco.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,999
Date: 05 Sep 11 - 02:34 PM

Crowhugger,

That quote is attributed to David Icke on the www. However, I'd take that with a bit of salt because I know I heard or saw something very similar and it wasn't from David Icke--likely one of those vacuous platitude posters people hang on walls, often classroom walls. Anyway, there ya go.


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: kendall
Date: 05 Sep 11 - 07:38 PM

Upon re reading my post I had to laugh. A couple of quotation marks would have been helpful too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: ollaimh
Date: 05 Sep 11 - 09:18 PM

my favourite which i have posted here often:

"the struggle to remember IS the struggle against tyrany"

milan kundera


number two fav oftyen quoted here.

"the english practiced genocide in ireland untill they were ready to take the show on the road, arrivng on the coast of california all dressed up for empire and no one left to kill"

gore vidal(ecplianing the many american wars)

and a wierd one i ran into yesterday

"is millis fuil namhaid,ach is milse fuil caraid"


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: autolycus
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 04:59 AM

A fine one from my therapy teacher, especially useful these days.

"Perfectionism is unhealthy."


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Subject: RE: BS: Great Quotes - relevant to today's world
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 06:15 AM

"The trouble with youth is,it is wasted on the young."


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