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Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007

Richard Bridge 24 Sep 07 - 02:56 PM
Surreysinger 24 Sep 07 - 03:25 PM
My guru always said 24 Sep 07 - 03:34 PM
GUEST,Tom Bliss 24 Sep 07 - 03:36 PM
Richard Bridge 24 Sep 07 - 04:44 PM
Surreysinger 24 Sep 07 - 06:05 PM
vectis 24 Sep 07 - 06:20 PM
melodeonboy 24 Sep 07 - 07:17 PM
Valmai Goodyear 25 Sep 07 - 04:52 AM
The Barden of England 25 Sep 07 - 07:47 AM
Richard Bridge 25 Sep 07 - 08:09 AM
jojofolkagogo 25 Sep 07 - 09:05 AM
GUEST,The Other Tom Bliss 25 Sep 07 - 09:48 AM
Dave Earl 25 Sep 07 - 10:52 AM
synbyn 25 Sep 07 - 11:01 AM
GUEST,The Other Tom Bliss' mate Tom 25 Sep 07 - 11:08 AM
GUEST,charlotte the oast ouse opper 25 Sep 07 - 11:09 AM
Richard Bridge 25 Sep 07 - 11:14 AM
synbyn 25 Sep 07 - 11:39 AM
GUEST,The Barden of England sans cookie 25 Sep 07 - 11:39 AM
GUEST,The Real Tom Bliss 25 Sep 07 - 11:54 AM
GUEST,The Barden of England sans cookie 25 Sep 07 - 12:07 PM
Richard Bridge 25 Sep 07 - 12:35 PM
Richard Bridge 25 Sep 07 - 12:36 PM
TheSnail 25 Sep 07 - 12:54 PM
GUEST,Tom Bliss 25 Sep 07 - 12:55 PM
GUEST,TB 25 Sep 07 - 12:59 PM
Dead Horse 25 Sep 07 - 03:11 PM
GUEST,DizzyLisa 26 Sep 07 - 08:11 AM
GUEST,Charlotte the oast ouse opper 26 Sep 07 - 08:36 AM
synbyn 26 Sep 07 - 12:21 PM
The Barden of England 26 Sep 07 - 03:54 PM
The Barden of England 26 Sep 07 - 04:14 PM
Richard Bridge 26 Sep 07 - 04:28 PM
Girl Friday 26 Sep 07 - 06:43 PM
synbyn 27 Sep 07 - 10:22 AM
Kev The Clogs 27 Sep 07 - 10:44 AM
Essex Girl 28 Sep 07 - 08:28 AM
naughtyforty 29 Sep 07 - 04:15 AM
Fidjit 29 Sep 07 - 05:58 AM
Fidjit 29 Sep 07 - 05:59 AM
melodeonboy 29 Sep 07 - 07:08 AM
melodeonboy 29 Sep 07 - 07:10 AM
Fidjit 29 Sep 07 - 09:55 AM
synbyn 01 Oct 07 - 04:14 AM
Richard Bridge 02 Oct 07 - 02:12 AM
Richard Bridge 02 Oct 07 - 05:38 PM
My guru always said 02 Oct 07 - 05:40 PM
Richard Bridge 02 Oct 07 - 06:18 PM
Cap n' Ella 02 Oct 07 - 07:06 PM
My guru always said 04 Oct 07 - 04:45 AM
Richard Bridge 04 Oct 07 - 11:58 AM
jojofolkagogo 04 Oct 07 - 12:08 PM
synbyn 05 Oct 07 - 03:52 AM
GUEST,charlotte the oast ouse opper 05 Oct 07 - 04:52 AM
Surreysinger 05 Oct 07 - 05:34 PM
Richard Bridge 07 Oct 07 - 12:58 PM
Richard Bridge 07 Oct 07 - 03:04 PM
GUEST 08 Oct 07 - 08:19 AM
synbyn 08 Oct 07 - 08:21 AM
Richard Bridge 08 Oct 07 - 09:31 AM
GUEST,Oldnickilby 08 Oct 07 - 10:24 AM
Dave Masterson 09 Oct 07 - 04:07 AM
TheSnail 09 Oct 07 - 05:59 AM
Richard Bridge 09 Oct 07 - 07:07 AM
GUEST,Kampervan 09 Oct 07 - 07:19 AM
synbyn 09 Oct 07 - 01:06 PM
My guru always said 09 Oct 07 - 04:00 PM
jojofolkagogo 09 Oct 07 - 04:01 PM
jojofolkagogo 09 Oct 07 - 04:07 PM
North/South Annie 09 Oct 07 - 06:16 PM
Richard Bridge 09 Oct 07 - 06:56 PM
North/South Annie 10 Oct 07 - 05:28 PM
GUEST,MJC 12 Oct 07 - 08:59 AM
Richard Bridge 12 Oct 07 - 10:02 AM
GUEST 12 Oct 07 - 01:07 PM
stormalong 12 Oct 07 - 03:20 PM
Richard Bridge 12 Oct 07 - 08:39 PM
stormalong 13 Oct 07 - 02:21 AM
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Subject: Tenterden?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Sep 07 - 02:56 PM

All right then, who's down at Tenterden?

I'm planning to be in the central camping if I am with a performing side, otherwise they might not let me and pfaffing around with the 2-miles-out-and-oh-dear-was-that-the-last-bus is a pain.

I'm curious to see if the magic can be sustained without the real 8 Bells


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Subject: RE: Tenterden?
From: Surreysinger
Date: 24 Sep 07 - 03:25 PM

I'll be there... haven't been for a couple of years, so it'll be interesting to see what it's like without the 8 Bells! Looking forward to it!


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Subject: RE: Tenterden?
From: My guru always said
Date: 24 Sep 07 - 03:34 PM

We're hoping to get along at some point. What's the info on the 'central camping' Richard? Does it fill up quickly then? Are there water & loo facilities? Had vague ideas about stopping over Saturday night so I could have a drink!


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Subject: RE: Tenterden?
From: GUEST,Tom Bliss
Date: 24 Sep 07 - 03:36 PM

I'm looking forward to it very much - and it would be nice to meet you both too (I'm technically a surrey singer myself, raised on 'The Good Old Wey' in the godalming/ farncombe / puttenham zone). I have a week of gigs in the Home Counties area (for example may I reccommend my old chum Luis de Berniere at the Chanticleer as a warm-up for Tenterden, on the wednesday before? He's bringing his mandolin, even if not Captain Correlli himself)!


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Subject: RE: Tenterden?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Sep 07 - 04:44 PM

Central camping is on the website. Physically, it is down Station Road. Facilities - er - field, long grass, usually bog (that is to say swamp, not unsavoury W.C.) by gate, sometimes farmer with tractor to tow caravans and campervans out. No water. No lavatories. No lights.

Said central camping is stated to be open only to those with full seasons, or who are booked performers (or musicians for a booked morris side), but last year it was very underused. You are also supposed to book for the use of it in advance, and although I satisfied all the conditions last year (and won the unofficial prize for the autocross in getting volvo and van to the top of the hill where it was a bit drier - starting my run-up in about France and hitting the hill at about 50, and finding EVERYTHING on the floor of the caravan when I smugly opened the van door: I'm told onlookers could see daylight under both van wheels at times) nobody came to check.


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Subject: RE: Tenterden?
From: Surreysinger
Date: 24 Sep 07 - 06:05 PM

Hi Tom - yes, I was intending to say hello in Tenterden at some point, since I'm Guildford born and bred (and still living here!). Sadly I don't have transport, so the Chanticleer is always a bit of a problem... and this week there's a bit too much going on anyway - I'll be scooting around breathlessly for three days on the trot - Roy Bailey and Tony Benn at the Electric Theatre in Guildford on Thursday, Jez Lowe at the Music Institute (forerunner club was the Good Old Way in Farncombe run by Ed Rennie, of course), and then up to the Traditional Song Forum meeting at C# House on Saturday morning, and back down to Godalming Borough Hall for the GBH Ceilidh with Peeping Tom in the evening - anybody got a TARDIS for rent???


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Subject: RE: Tenterden?
From: vectis
Date: 24 Sep 07 - 06:20 PM

The Travelling Folk will be leading a session in The Vine on Sunday lunchtime. At least.... I think it's Sunday.


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Subject: RE: Tenterden?
From: melodeonboy
Date: 24 Sep 07 - 07:17 PM

I've got a gig in Ashford on the Saturday night, which cuts the weekend in half for me, but I shall be there during the day on Saturday. I like to think that we can recapture the atmosphere of the old Eight Bells sessions in the Vine.

As for camping, I thought the out of town camp site was quite good. You have to be more organised and stick to the bus timetables, which obviously restricts you, but it's a nice site. I don't know what buses they're laying on from there this year.


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Subject: RE: Tenterden?
From: Valmai Goodyear
Date: 25 Sep 07 - 04:52 AM

Spare Parts (Bryan Creer, Suzanne Higgins and me) are running a part-playing session for concertinas on the afternoon of Sunday 7th. October in the White Lion Saddlery from 2.00 -3.30 pm. If you'd like the dots and/or a midi file of the music in advance, let me know. The session is open to non- season ticket holders for a modest fee. If you'd like the dots, please PM me your postal address.

We're also running a general session in the White Lion from 11.00 am that morning.

Tenterden Festival website:
http://www.btinternet.com/~folkspots/trust/fest07/index07.htm

Tootle pip,

Valmai


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Subject: RE: Tenterden?
From: The Barden of England
Date: 25 Sep 07 - 07:47 AM

I'll be chairing the session in 'The Vine' on Friday evening, then the session in the 'White Lion' Saturday lunchtime and back to 'The Vine' with Bob Kenward and others on Saturday evening. Look forward to seeing you there.
Tom Bliss in the marquee behind the Woolpack I think before my Saturday commitments, so I'm going there first - great singer songwriter.

John Barden


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Subject: RE: Tenterden?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Sep 07 - 08:09 AM

Oh? Any folk singers? (ducks and runs...)


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Subject: RE: Tenterden?
From: jojofolkagogo
Date: 25 Sep 07 - 09:05 AM

Well, Richard, I should hope that YOU are a FOLK singer - !!!
(no ducking, its a quacking way to sing !!!)

I am gonna try and make it this year, have not been for several years, so dont know what this is about 8 bells . . . have Kath and Bob given it up ???


and thanks Valmai, for Web site

See Ya !!

Jo-Jo


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Subject: RE: Tenterden?
From: GUEST,The Other Tom Bliss
Date: 25 Sep 07 - 09:48 AM

I think you'll find that my namesake does quite a few Folk songs Richard (your definition being which others might call Traditional, yes)? I hear tell he's actually not very keen on being called a singer/songwriter either (well so it says on his website) - because he's more of a storyteller really. Most of his songs tell traditional and true stories, and most are woven with lyrical and melodlc strands plucked directly from traditional sources. But he then would say that wouldn't he!


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Subject: RE: Tenterden?
From: Dave Earl
Date: 25 Sep 07 - 10:52 AM

Myself and herself will be there from Friday Afternoon. Staying in the Woolpack again (I think - she booked it).

Probably get to Mr Bardens session at some point that evening after we've eaten.

Dave


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Subject: RE: Tenterden?
From: synbyn
Date: 25 Sep 07 - 11:01 AM

Well, the folk club itself has been surviving pretty well at the Vine, it's a bit resonant and people in the back can't see round pillars, so it's sometimes noisy, but then so was the Bells... think all the session seekers ought to be able to find something- whether in the Vine lunch/evening or with Travelling Folk on Sunday- but a plea to have a look at the concerts too- plenty of good acts to listen to... if it's Tom Bliss you want to see, you can see him as full guest at Nellies in Tonbridge on Mon 1st October 8pm start- early arrival if you're after a floor spot... but there's Steve Turner, Keith Kendrick, Sylvia Needham, David Jones & many more, all of whom deserve support... see you there!
Bob


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Subject: RE: Tenterden?
From: GUEST,The Other Tom Bliss' mate Tom
Date: 25 Sep 07 - 11:08 AM

Yes, I understand from Tom that Tom is going to do different material at Tenterden and at Nellies (so you'll need to come to both to hear your favourites, if you have any, that is, Tom says) - in fact he's just organising his set lists as we speak.


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Subject: RE: Tenterden?
From: GUEST,charlotte the oast ouse opper
Date: 25 Sep 07 - 11:09 AM

I'll be there, with my clogs on....for Offcumduns as Korkers couldnt make it!

Looking forward to it, should be a good one this year!

Dillie x


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Subject: RE: Tenterden?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Sep 07 - 11:14 AM

My definition is the 1954 definition.


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Subject: RE: Tenterden?
From: synbyn
Date: 25 Sep 07 - 11:39 AM

enlighten me, richard- i was only just born then...


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Subject: RE: Tenterden?
From: GUEST,The Barden of England sans cookie
Date: 25 Sep 07 - 11:39 AM

Blimey - we'll end up listening to the beat of the Tom Toms :-)

John Barden


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Subject: RE: Tenterden?
From: GUEST,The Real Tom Bliss
Date: 25 Sep 07 - 11:54 AM

Take no notice of those other phoney Toms. Richard is quite right. Under the 1954 definition people like me are not actually folk singers, and we are wrong to call ourselves such. Technically, we should not be booked at folk clubs or folk festivals, and cartainly - as Dave Sissons has just kindly pointed out in Stirrings - we should not be encouraged to write songs influenced by tradition, and certainly we should NOT bring out CDs! LOL

I stand corrected Richard. I've got my coat already, I'm only popping back in for that plectrum I dropped...


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Subject: RE: Tenterden?
From: GUEST,The Barden of England sans cookie
Date: 25 Sep 07 - 12:07 PM

Mornington Crescent!!!!

John Barden


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Subject: RE: Tenterden?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Sep 07 - 12:35 PM

But you might be, Tom. Once your songs are adopted and modified. Hang on, I'll just off and get the definition.


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Subject: RE: Tenterden?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Sep 07 - 12:36 PM

Definition of Folk Music ,decided by the International Folk Music Council in 1954.

"Folk music is the product of a musical tradition that has been evolved through the process of oral transmission. The factors that shape the tradition are: (i) continuity which links the present with the past; (ii) variation which springs from the creative impulse of the individual or the group; and (iii) selection by the community, which determines the form or forms in which the music survives.
The term can be applied to music that has been evolved from rudimentary beginnings by a community uninfluenced by popular and art music and it can likewise be applied to music which has originated with an individual composer and has subsequently been absorbed into the unwritten living tradition of a community.
The term does not cover composed popular music that has been taken over ready-made by a community and remains unchanged, for it is the re-fashioning and re-creation of the music by the community that gives it its folk character."


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Subject: RE: Tenterden?
From: TheSnail
Date: 25 Sep 07 - 12:54 PM

So is this the Tom Bliss that's coming to Tenterden?


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Subject: RE: Tenterden?
From: GUEST,Tom Bliss
Date: 25 Sep 07 - 12:55 PM

Nar you got me bang to rights, guv - I'm a deep throat pop singer, me. (Was even signed to Pete Waterman when I was young and pretty and wore black leather trousers, only).

It's a fair cop. Even if my songs were Oralised by Others, me doing my own versions (well, there would be some erosion, but not enough to satisfy the IFMC) would not qualify as folk. You've blown my cover, Richard - I'm a marked man now. (But maybe I qualify for the EFDSS Witless Protection Scheme! Where's that flier?) :-)


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Subject: RE: Tenterden?
From: GUEST,TB
Date: 25 Sep 07 - 12:59 PM

No that's the other Tom Bliss's mate's chum, but actually it's an alias. His REAL name is Dave Bowie, like my (and Maggie Boyle's) bass player. The other David Bowie's really called Jones.


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: Dead Horse
Date: 25 Sep 07 - 03:11 PM

Tom-tom Jones?


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Subject: singing at Tenterden
From: GUEST,DizzyLisa
Date: 26 Sep 07 - 08:11 AM

Rumour has it that the wonderful WholeHearted (Pete Luscombe & John Bartlett)and friends will be singing in the (? Wiliam) Caxton on Friday night - no better way to start the weekend as far as I'm concerned. It could only be bettered if someone chained their legs to the bar & made them sing all weekend!


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: GUEST,Charlotte the oast ouse opper
Date: 26 Sep 07 - 08:36 AM

OOOHHHHH exciting!!!! They are truly awesome, and I share your love for them Lisa!

I will definitely come down on the firday night then....am going to camp i think....need to sort that out then....

any know how to get there by public transport? x

Charlotte x


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: synbyn
Date: 26 Sep 07 - 12:21 PM

does forgetting self-penned songs due to senile dementia count, or is that only if it's been passed through the digestive tract,like rabbit pellets? I'm sure Mr (Is that songbook ready yet)Bartlett would have no objection to being chained to the bar... should we songwriters form a circle and Chinese whisper in a registered Folk Authentication session? Looking forward to the ultimate version of Socker DJinn...


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: The Barden of England
Date: 26 Sep 07 - 03:54 PM

Can I be invited to be cahined to the bar ???? Pretty please with sugar on!!!!
John Barden


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: The Barden of England
Date: 26 Sep 07 - 04:14 PM

Of course that should be 'chained to the bar' - - bloody fingers not working properly again!!!!
John Barden


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Sep 07 - 04:28 PM

Obviously chained to the bar once today already!


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: Girl Friday
Date: 26 Sep 07 - 06:43 PM

Will be in the Woolpack open mic. thingamy on Saturday.That's followed by shanty session I think.....grrrreat!!


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: synbyn
Date: 27 Sep 07 - 10:22 AM

you'd know, richard- is that the same as being called to the bar?


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: Kev The Clogs
Date: 27 Sep 07 - 10:44 AM

I'll be there, but not camping this year. Miracle of miracles, we have both a Womens and a Mens side for the Saturday (Bishop Gundulfs Morris). Will try to get to some of the sessions during the Saturday. Might stay a bit late on Saturday night as well.

See you there

Kev


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: Essex Girl
Date: 28 Sep 07 - 08:28 AM

I'll be there on the Saturday, probably White Lion followed by the Vine.


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: naughtyforty
Date: 29 Sep 07 - 04:15 AM

I will also be there on Saturday.


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: Fidjit
Date: 29 Sep 07 - 05:58 AM

Bugger! Can't be everywhere. Although I try.

Planning a trip over in '08. Sidmouth, Broadstairs and stuff. It will be for my 75th year of survival.

Enjoy yourselves. jealous as Sh*t.

Chas


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: Fidjit
Date: 29 Sep 07 - 05:59 AM

P.S. Although I'm over in November '07 for Melodeons at Witney.

Chas


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: melodeonboy
Date: 29 Sep 07 - 07:08 AM

Charlotte: Richard Bridge seems to think I'm some sort of public transport guru and has asked me to put transport details on this thread. I don't know where you're coming from (physically, that is; not figuratively!), but I can tell you that you can get buses from Ashford Intl. station to Tenterden (details on ) and there are reasonably good rail connections to Ashford from a number of places (details on ) - even Paris!

Send me a PM if you need any more info.


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: melodeonboy
Date: 29 Sep 07 - 07:10 AM

'ere, it didn't show the websites! They are www.arrivabus.co.uk and www.thetrainline.com


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: Fidjit
Date: 29 Sep 07 - 09:55 AM

I use this all the time when I'm visiting Britain. Should help you.

Chas


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: synbyn
Date: 01 Oct 07 - 04:14 AM

On Fri & Sat you can also catch the arriva bus from Headcorn station, Sun also but more sporadically, this one comes from Maidstone & goes I think on to Hastings... The train at tenterden, albeit musical on Sunday, is a preserved line with steam! and isn't connected to the main line at either end... but a lovely little run.,,


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Oct 07 - 02:12 AM

Refresh


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Oct 07 - 05:38 PM

Looks as if the central camping will have a swamp at the entrance again. Any camper with a 110 v8 will be able to pay for his weekend in tow fees...

Gong-scourer Ken, are you listening?


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: My guru always said
Date: 02 Oct 07 - 05:40 PM

Right, it's a day trip on Saturday for us then!! Our peugeot isn't a patch on your volvo Richard!!


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Oct 07 - 06:18 PM

Well, it's been raining steadily. Anyone seen a bloke leading animals in pairs, or seen the price of wholesale cedar rising?


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: Cap n' Ella
Date: 02 Oct 07 - 07:06 PM

Lesley myself and Mike Nicholson (aka Cartouche) are planning to be there for saturday evening's session in the Vine. We'll be bringing T'caravan & leaving mid morning but happy to assist in towing out anybody who needs it - not much use if you're staying for the day I know but the offers there anyway.

Tony Petty


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: My guru always said
Date: 04 Oct 07 - 04:45 AM

Lovely offer Tony, but Richard & mornings don't mix *grin* Looking forward to hearing you both again - and with Mike too, what a treat!!

Vicki & Trefor Williams are on their way to break their journey with us tonight, so should arrive at Tenterden fully refreshed (or hung-over perhaps) on the morrow.

Not long now - Richard & I are looking forward to seeing you all in the Sings on Saturday!


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 04 Oct 07 - 11:58 AM

It's looking as if the ground might be dry enough so far.....


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: jojofolkagogo
Date: 04 Oct 07 - 12:08 PM

All very refreshing !!!!

Jo-Jo


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: synbyn
Date: 05 Oct 07 - 03:52 AM

Just to say if you're looking at public transport it appears there will be engineering works affecting Headcorn, so Ashford on the 297 looks a better bet 0918 1115 1315 1455 1620 from Ashford International station on Sat, 1000 1330 only on Sun, but beware! last bus out 2144 Sat and 1730 (sic) Sun..., and the last train from Ashford to London on Sun is surprisingly early...
See you there!


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: GUEST,charlotte the oast ouse opper
Date: 05 Oct 07 - 04:52 AM

thank you all so much for the travel info!

I wouldnhave been coming from maidstone, but both the sides i dance with are not dancing now (sob sob!) so i might not go as both my ma and pa are not well so i might go home to thanet and watch the rugby with my dad....:0)

I really want to go, so might try and come down later on tonight!

hopefully see some of you there

all the best

Dillie xx


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: Surreysinger
Date: 05 Oct 07 - 05:34 PM

After all that, thanks to a nasty viral bug, I'm not going to make it to Tenterden after all ... sob! Hope everyone has a good time...


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 07 Oct 07 - 12:58 PM

Ground was dry, weather was smashing on Saturday, beer in the Woolpack was magnificent, lots of jovial morris-persons.

The 8 Bells is sorely missed, but all those trying at the Vine were valiant, and the new (that's another new) landlord was amiable-ish. But the acoustics are not the same, the beer is not the same, the prices are not the same, and the flipping speaker system that annouces whose lunch-table is ready cannot be turned off. No disabled lavatories in a completely rebuilt building is really a no-no in this day and age, too. At one stage I thought that one or two splendid traditional singers were adding a verse each time there was an announcement... The Vine however does look pretty and I gather the food is not bad, for the upwardly mobile amongst you. It hasn't got the frisson that the 8 Bells had, but it may gain as time goes on. I did notice that string players (guitarists, fiddlers, banjo pluckers, guitarists, mandolinists etc) seemed thin (self excepted) on the ground and on Sunday I was the only bodhran player and there was only one spooner.

Alan Castle says I must write 100 lines (now that's a way to finish learning "Famous Flower of Serving Men"...) and they did check everyone in to central camping last year, but someone told them whose van was mine so I never saw the check.   This year the check was very efficient.

I do think that the festival could make a profit out of the central camping with one or two changes....

1. Do not restrict it to season holders and performers - the fields there would take 300 or 400 vans/tents with ease

2 Get a few portaloos in (the nearest public bog closes at night, not convenient if you have no grottibotti with you)

3 Let people know that water can be got at the station

4 Double the price. £8 for the whole weekend, even without water and loos is way too cheap

5 Bring caravans and cars in via the haulage/farm yard - it would only mean moving about 6 feet of electric fence, and campers who stayed up that end would be largely on the flat on higher ground so no getting stuck in the mud, and they'd be nearer the station water, and to the town itself.

This would mean more trade for the pubs too because no-one would need to drive out to the expensive "real" caravan sites that are way out of walking range and not well served by buses (and one of which is unhelpful too).

Just think, 400 vans/tents at £16 per pitch - over £6,000 into the festival's budget, more people coming 'cos no-one is put off by the distance of the campsites, those who come drinking more 'cos no-one has to drive so more profit in the pubs, more customers for the stallholders (why doesn't someone put in a camping sundries stall - or is there too much hassle over gaz cylinders?). Win-win!

Flora (not Gundulf's Flora) - the giantess figure - was estimable too, but the person who decided to put a viewing panel in the skirt so that the operator sould see out might have been able to predict what the morris sense of humour would make of a giant female figure with a hole cut in her skirt at about giantess-pubic-area level...

Shame I only discovered the genuine curry stall much too late. I could have given that a bashing on Saturday... (in stead of the fish-shop that was shut on Friday when I got peckish by 10 pm and was out of rock and out of curry sauce when I was peckish at about 8 on Saturday. I'm not sure the curry rolls agreed with me...


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 07 Oct 07 - 03:04 PM

Oh, and there was a nice photographer fellow from some Ashford local paper that took some nice fotos so look out for the Ashford local papers, all those within spitting distance.


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 08:19 AM

I agree with you about the beer in the Woolpack - had far too much both there and in the White Lion. Also agree about the camping, if I can find a flat dry area I'll come for the whole weekend next year as we used to.


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: synbyn
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 08:21 AM

Yes, great weekend, and the train people were helpful, too. Thanks to all who came to the singarounds and especially to Elizabeth who quickly penned a food-announcer shanty... and to the singers of songs of devil magpies, who managed in a two-song set to ensure that J Wilkinson kicked twa penalties... the weather being so good, the indoor events were less likely to be well attended, and sometimes publicans don't realise that even morris-men sometimes pace themselves.. but better the weather for the dancing I guess. Final thought- those Euro-dancers- did they really do what I think they did and dance half a hopstepping thighslap moussaka each with a bottle of wine in their undergarments? Tell me I didn't dream it...


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 09:31 AM

Plenty of dry flat areas on top of the hill near the farmyard/haulage works. If you come in early the hill climb is possible (I did it last year when the ground was NOT perfect). Then out is mostly downhill. But would be easier if entry from the yard was possible.


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: GUEST,Oldnickilby
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 10:24 AM

Well we had to sing The Magpie so that we could put a Hex on those blasted Rugger types by doing "Nipple nipple navel nose" That was a pretty difficult venue with a scrum just willing us to bugger off.The hex obviously worked on the Aussies though. Jacky and I enjoyed our short visit whilst we waited for my elder brother to wake up in Maidstone Hospital otherwise we would have stayed much longer
Pity that the good pubs have gone all poncy.


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: Dave Masterson
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 04:07 AM

Thanks for your comments Richard, I will make sure they reach Alan.

Another great weekend. The weather couldn't have been better, sunny but not too hot, perfect dancing weather. Good to see more teams out on Sunday this year.

The Pedigree in the White Lion was superb, took me back to lunchtimes at the Cheshire Cheese in Fleet Street.

And Bob... you didn't dream it!


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: TheSnail
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 05:59 AM

GUEST,Oldnickilby

Well we had to sing The Magpie so that we could put a Hex on those blasted Rugger types

A bit unfair to blame the Rugger fans. It was a rather silly arrangement. And as for "Come in Table 53. Your timer is up."...


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 07:07 AM

Thank you Dave. I hope the comments are seen as constructive and not otherwise.

Slightly tongue in cheek, may I also suggest a table shanty competition next year, with a prize for the best table shanty.

To the tune of "Blood Red Roses"...

"Your table's ready, food is done
Sit down, you hungry yuppies, sit down
For that is where my profits come
Sit down, you hungry yuppies, sit down
Oh you hungry foodies
Sit down, you hungry yuppies, sit down"

There are other verses too.




And maybe a table-waiting morris dance competition too, eg set table with Besty and Fool seated; ring of 8 dancers (with border sticks) circle with longsword step, 4 dancers approach, 1 towards each table corner capering, pause, bow, scrape floor with stick, alternate stick whacks over diners heads, retreat to ring capering backwards, turn to 4 pairs (the retreating dancers on outside) and process like spokes of a wheel to the next corner, revert to ring, dance round as before, fresh dancer approaches each corner, repeat. After each spoke has done each corner, in the next ring proceed as hay until the odd and even number dancers have changed places. Repeat. After these different 4 spokes have done each corner, each dancer will ahve been on each corner. Circle briefly. Rush from ring flanking table (like Gog Magog Molly do), reforming circle with yell and sticks high.

Fool and Betsy fall to floor.


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: GUEST,Kampervan
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 07:19 AM

Just for the record, there is a disabled loo at the Vine, it is out towards the conservatory and it is signed.


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: synbyn
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 01:06 PM

Ha ! very good Richard! and surely a clash of microwaved celery sticks?


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: My guru always said
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 04:00 PM

All good suggestions Richard re campsite, shanty & dance *grin* I'm one of the Folkies who'd be attracted into the whole weekend if the campsite were more user-friendly. Might even go as far as to get a ticket!!

Thoroughly enjoyed Saturday (despite the long drive there & back), even the very weird sings in the Vine - very well run under the circumstances I have to say!! Thanks to all the Organisers and their Elves, keep up the good work!


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: jojofolkagogo
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 04:01 PM

I HAD A VERY GOOD TIME, AND OF COURSE, SEEING LOTS OF OTHER "CATTERS" AND "FOLKIES" MADE IT AN EVEN BETTER WEEK END

THE WEATHER JUST POLISHED IT OFF - GREAT !!!

Unfortunately, some punk vandal broke completely off my near-side wing mirror on my campervan - and Daihatsu say a new one will cost me, wait for it,   


                         £68.82

I mean, just for a blinking MIRROR, come on, something has to be wrong there ...

Oh well, am searching the web for a spare part hopefully at half the price

Jo-Jo


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: jojofolkagogo
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 04:07 PM

Hello again, just done a search for the shanty

"Sing me a Shanty" but cannot find it,

now, one of Victory Morris sang this at the Shanty Sesh in Woolpack in the afternoon on Saturday - anyone know who it was, and how I can contact him for words ???

JO-JO


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: North/South Annie
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 06:16 PM

I think I know who its likely to have been and will check with him for you. (Have also replied on other thread.)
Annie


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 06:56 PM

Jojo, try ebay - motors - parts -


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: North/South Annie
Date: 10 Oct 07 - 05:28 PM

jojofolkagogo Have also replied on other thread re your reuested song lyrics. If you PM me I can put you in contact with the Victory member who has just confirmed to me that he did indeed sing that song at Tenterdon.

Annie


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: GUEST,MJC
Date: 12 Oct 07 - 08:59 AM

Not a bad weekend but I have to say last year was better. It wasn't helped by staying at a dirty hotel. We had to ask them to clean the toilet, bring us some toilet roll, bring an extra towel as we were only given one between the two of us for the whole weekend. The hot water tap in the sink simply didn't work, the shower was either too hot to get in or too cold to get in and was full of scum in the shower tray where it hadn't been cleaned. The Woolpack might do some great beer and nice food but you really don't want to stay there.

In terms of the festival - not bad at all. Had a good weekend all in all watching the morris dancing and visiting the stalls etc. I just felt that the Vine was very much the wrong place for a session. It's a wine bar and had no atmosphere at all. On top of that the session was stuck in the smallest corner where only a handful of people could join in and listners were forced to stand in front of the door (also the fire exit). We felt unable to join in and started our own session at the Woolpack. Within half an hour the pub was heaving and people were joining us saying they too found it hard to join in at the Vine.

Perhaps the White Lion or the Woolpack would be a better venue for the opening and closing session next year.

P.S. We also started a session in the street outside the Woolpack on Saturday evening and a local photographer took some pics. Does anyone know which paper he was from as I'd love a copy.

Thanks


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Oct 07 - 10:02 AM

The photoman was from the Ashford something. I ahve not got any more details yet although I have been trying and he has my email address but did not give me his...


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Oct 07 - 01:07 PM

Thanks Bridgy, have done !!
Jo


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: stormalong
Date: 12 Oct 07 - 03:20 PM

The Woolpack is a much more 'folky' venue, but the humidity during the shanty session was ridiculous. Are pubs now like trains...i.e. no openable windows? And those of us who turned up on time - rather than ahead of time - also found ourselves in the doorway/exit. Neither of these venues are of adequate capacity.

The Vine is comfortable in a postmodern sort of way, but its pretentious 'classiness' is totally undermined by the tannoy. All they need is one person to deliver food to the tables which even Wetherspoon seem to manage.

Despite these criticisms it was a cracking weekend and many thanks to Alan for organising it.

Rik


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Oct 07 - 08:39 PM

I hate trains with openable windows. I do not want to freeze, or to be blown to pieces, and there always seems to be one person who was corrupted by his sergeant-major and flings the window wide leaving everyone else to suffer.


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: stormalong
Date: 13 Oct 07 - 02:21 AM

Richard

How do you manage when you have to go outside?

Rik


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: melodeonboy
Date: 13 Oct 07 - 04:01 AM

If you don't have opening windows, you have bloody air-conditioning. On several occasions during the summer (if that's what it was!) on the Sittingbourne line I actually had to put my jacket on when I got on the train because it was so bloody cold even though it was fairly warm outside.

Whoops! I think we're getting off topic!


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: synbyn
Date: 13 Oct 07 - 05:40 AM

I gather that the Woolpack will be the venue from November for the monthly ( second Tuesday) folk club and the centre for sing-arounds next year- it's a licensing thing. I agrre with the postings about the Vine- it was a manager who's only just taken over and was committed to the festival by the brewery/ previous manager. Apparently he took over £10 000 in the weekend (?) He previously had been listening to complaints by a family of diners who wanted the piped music on (in the far room) when the (second Tiesday) folk club was in the front. Not a fan. The angles are all wrong for attention, though there were 50 people in the small area- we had 28 singers at lunchtime sat and similar in the evening. It's always been the case at Tenterden that where a session is full, some drift off to start another, and very healthy this is too... so it's the Woolpack from now on...


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Subject: RE: Tenterden Folk Festival, 5-7 Oct, 2007
From: stormalong
Date: 14 Oct 07 - 02:38 AM

Good news that the focus is moving to a proper pub!

When I said that neither the Vine nor the Woolpack were of adequate capacity I should have qualified that. I meant for the number of people trying to get in at particular times. Of course, the bigger the crowd the less chance to sing individually, so there must be an optimum number for singarounds and on those grounds the Woolpack will be fine (provided I can sit/stand near a window!).


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