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Subject: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Duke
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 12:24 PM

I watch Coronation St. and the people are allways going into Roy's for a bacon butty. Not sure of the spelling. What the hell is it?


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Megan L
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 12:35 PM

Duke its heaven betwean two slices of bread. Unless of course you are a vegetarian or have religeous objections to pork :)

three slices of bacon fried thick slices of buttered bread and smothered in HP sauce.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: GUEST,Canadienne
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 12:44 PM

the food of the Gods


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: sian, west wales
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 12:56 PM

Oooo ... not sure about that, Canadienne (Viva!). Granary bread? Bit artsy-fartsy. Should be white, and go all stodgy when hot bacon hits cold butter.

sian


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 01:05 PM

That looks like Irish bacon on the photo.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: MBSLynne
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 01:41 PM

A butty is just a sandwich. Chip butties are also cool!

Love Lynne


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 01:52 PM

A butty is just a sandwich.

Hm, I'm wearing mine......

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Rog Peek
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 02:01 PM

For the benefit of our American friends, chips are french fries. Actually, I am quite partial to crisp sandwiches, crisps being potato chips.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: TheSnail
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 02:02 PM

All expained The Bacon Butty. Can't find it in DT though.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 02:07 PM

HP? Abomination!!!

Daddies every time. Must be squishy sliced white bread. And no butter!

I think this may be Birmingham rules.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 02:15 PM

Sheffield Rules

Henderson's Relish Known locally as Hendo's.

No that I eat bacon.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: gnu
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 02:47 PM

A sandwich with only bacon and butter. Sounds delicious. Just thinking about it makes my..... aaargggghhhh............ call 911!


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 02:49 PM

HP/Daddies etc is just brown muck left over from the last mudslide. English mustard with my butties every time - Colemans no less.
Dijon mustard for nouvelle cuisine.
Ketchup for the McButt.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 02:50 PM

Dave, I saw that stuff in Sheffield. It's really wet, isn't it? Like Worcestershire? What must that do to the bread?


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 03:12 PM

Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Ruth Archer - PM
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 02:07 PM

Must be squishy sliced white bread. And no butter!


Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Ruth Archer - PM
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 02:50 PM

Dave, I saw that stuff in Sheffield. It's really wet, isn't it? Like Worcestershire? What must that do to the bread?


Makes the bread squishy.....I thought that is what you wanted!!

The great advantage of Hendo's (over Lea and Perrins and other Worcestershire sauces) is that there are no anchovies in it thus making it suitable for vegetarians. Thus your average vegetarian using Hendo's can eat a bacon sandwich.

If it wasn't for the bacon of course.......

I'm coming doctor....


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Dazbo
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 03:45 PM

Forget the brown sauce, add a fried egg for heaven!


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Bizibod
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 03:49 PM

Then lean over the sink to eat it...


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 03:57 PM

Bizibod, I prefer leaning over a toilet at a moment like that. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Megan L
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 04:01 PM

Ah if you are having it with an egg the egg must be runny yolked and the sauce must be ketchup :)


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Duke
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 04:05 PM

How about that? I've been eating them for years and didn't know it!


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Megan L
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 04:07 PM

he he he aye lad languages is a wonderfu thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: gnomad
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 04:42 PM

Nah, no sauce, no butter, just lightly crisp the inside faces of the bread in the hot pan, that's perfection in a bacon buttie.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: MBSLynne
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 04:48 PM

Fancy spoiling it with sauce!

I prefer mine toasted though. One side only and with the bacon between the untoasted sides. The slices really thin so they are crunchy. Preferably smoked bacon....

Love Lynne


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 05:14 PM

Did someone say ketchup? With fried egg?

*gags*


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Les from Hull
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 05:23 PM

It's also called a bacon banjo over here - presumably a slang reference to the Bacon Banjo Co.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 05:25 PM

Yeah!!! Tomato ketchup with runny fried egg - known as 'dead dog's eye'...

Bacon butties - best made from white plastic bread (the sort you can roll into balls for baiting fish hooks), really, REALLY crispy bacon that goes snap when you bite it, held together with butter and Heinz tomato ketchup. Contains all of the 4 main food groups -> stodge, grease, salt and BCBs.*

LTS
























* Burnt Crunchy Bits.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: curmudgeon
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 05:28 PM

This may be considered heresy, but I like toasted multi-grain bread, lightly brushed with melted butter wrapped around two or three slices of crip bacon. A fried egg on the side with runny yolk for dipping is a plus - Tom


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 05:45 PM

Liz, no, no way, not crispy bacon! Well cooked, yes, and it must be thick cut, so that you have to tear bites off it, not end up with a snowstorm of crunchy bacon.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Anne Lister
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 05:55 PM

I'm personally in the "no sauce" team, but butter is good and the bacon must be well done.

A surprising discovery is that you can make very good BLTs in pitta bread. And then it's all a question of the right tomatoes. And decent mayo.

Anne


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: sian, west wales
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 06:00 PM

OK - what's the current thinking on fried onions then?

sian


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 06:16 PM

Nowhere near the bacon butty. Have the fried onions with a burger, if you want, or with a hot dog; any non-descript meat goes with fried onions. Not bacon, though.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 06:27 PM

I think the small white bap, aka the bacon roll, with plenty of hot English mustard (Colemans from the powder is good) and salted butter is the best combination. These are often found at All-Wheel-Drive club meets.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: terrier
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 06:59 PM

I agree with ALL of the above, but am I the only person in the world to have melted CHEESE on my BB?


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 08:51 PM

Never had anything like those, and I can't say I'm tempted. But over here in the U.S. we specialize (in season) in BLTs. I make homemade bread and toast it, then use a good slathering of mayonaise, crisp lettuce, a ripe garden tomato (grocery store kind just doesn't work--it has to be so ripe and sweet and acid it takes the enamel off your teeth) and crisp slices (rashers to you Brits) of bacon. Two or three, depending on the thickness or size.

Assemble it carefully, then with the flat of your hand, lean on the sandwich and compress it all a bit. Don't cut it, bits will just fall out. Eat it over a plate or the sink, because the mayo won't glue everything in and the fresh tomatoes will drip.

Mmmmmmm!

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Bert
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 09:21 PM

Fresh homemade bread. No sauce or ketchup. Just butter the bread add the bacon and a dash of white pepper to taste.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 09:48 PM

I marvel at the apparent infinite variety of the bacon butty. Sounds like a heart attack on a plate.

But what a wonderful way to go!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Bee
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 10:04 PM

If we manage to export poutine to the UK, adding that to their bacon butty diet will definitely end with them all having heart attacks!

(Poutine, for those who don't know, is chips/french fries and gobs of cheese curd with hot gravy poured all over - a distinctively Canadian treat.)


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 10:21 PM

*trying to tabulate, but I get 23 people and 27 opinions so far* Maybe there should be a National Butt-Off with blind tastings....no, wait...they'd never find 3 impartial judges.

(sounds like polling folks in the US about 'proper' BBQ!)


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Sorcha
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 10:58 PM

Bill, don't even START about proper bbq....we can't even decide what the damn word means here.....!!!!! Bloody brits put 'burgers on the barbie'....eh????


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 12:06 AM

Barbie!!! That's the fire from OZ! Now they will get involved. I think they put 'roo and sheep on the barbie-

About every two weeks (fortnight) we make our own version of a bacon butty, cocking a snook at the good diet people.

1. Rather thick slices of white bread

2. Fry Thick-sliced bacon (we use Schneiders) but not to crispness-       it must be on the limp side.
3. Slice aged white cheddar
4. Slice good tomatoes

Put the above between the bread slices. The bacon should be hot from the frying. The cheese should be slightly melted, which means a little top burner heat before adding the tomato and top bread slice. Toast in an oven or toaster-oven, buttering the bread and turning it over to butter both sides.
Serve on a warm plate.

We slice into two rectangular halves for easier handling.

Once we did the sandwiches monte cristo style, coating with beaten egg and frying, but, to use an old expression, that is too much sugar for a dime.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Gurney
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 12:06 AM

Bill D, I prefer mine soft-fried, on white bread very lightly fried in the bacon fat. No sauce, why gild the lily?

28.

I'd eat them any way I can get them.


Cholesterol City. As I'm wed, I get them seldom. I tell her, "I don't WANT to live forever!"   
It doesn't work.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 12:13 AM

Some previous thoughts on buttys...


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Sorcha
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 01:30 AM

LIMP bacon? Are you outta yer mind???? BACON must be crisp!!! And on a bacon butty, very crrrrriisssssppp! Near to burnt!

LOLOLOL....ah the vagaries of life and food. Gotta love it.

Around here, it's a Summer Sandwich...American Classic BLT. Toasted white bread, mayo (NOT salad dressing/Miracle Whip), REAL home grown tomatoes, some kind of leaf lettuce (red oak, romaine, etc...) and LOTS of CRISP bacon. Cheese of choice and avocado slices optional.

PS...avocado makes it a BLAT.

What I need to know is the real difference between a 'butty' and a sandwich. Eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 03:04 AM

Sandwich is/can be more elaborate. A butty is thrown together quickly; the best example is the chip (french fries) butty, two slices of bread, any bread, and a handful of chips. Or even (and that holds for the bacon butty too), a single soft slice of bread, something on it, then folded in half. Jam butty, chip butty, bacon butty.

Sandwich is posh. Butty is folkie food.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Megan L
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 03:22 AM

All this talk of butties reminded me of one trip south a transport cafe somewhere near the Shap at 3 in the morning   -   Ahhhhhhhh now theres butty heaven real soul food.

What ever happened to real transport caffs two doors one for poncy car drivers wie poncy prices and one for real men ;) lino floor formica tables and plenty of stodge. Mind you some of them did the best damned home cooked food youve ever tasted and in quantities that would have sunk a battleship.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: GUEST,Paul Burke
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 03:31 AM

In the eary 1970s, the Midland Hotel in Manchester was refurbished, and a new posh bar extension added. They wanted a name that would reflect its location, and also its nature as an annexe. The hotel being by a canal, they chose the name of the unpowered boat towed by the powered narrow boat- and called it the Butty Bar. Imagine their surprise when Mancunians came in at lunchtime expecting bacon butties...


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 03:36 AM

I think it's important here to distinguish between American bacon and English bacon. The bacon Americans have for breakfast and put on a BLT is what in the UK is called streaky bacon - much higher ratio of fat to meat. Plus it's sliced more thinly in America, so the only way to cook it, really, is crisply. That's why all this talk of non-crispy bacon in a butty is making the Americans gag - who wants a strip of flaccid fat?

The bacon used at breakfast and for a butty in the UK is usually back bacon - mostly meat, with a bit of fat along the edge. It's about two or three times thicker than American bacon - my (American) mother always says "I love that ham you have with your breakfast over there..." Many people don't fry their bacon in the UK, they grill it (that's broiling to the American contingent). So getting back bacon to be crisp takes a fair bit of cooking, and would make it pretty dry.

Oh, the other big difference is that pretty much all the bacon you get in supermarkets and diners and such in America is smoked. In England, you have a choice. A lot of people seem to prefer unsmoked bacon on a butty - for me, it's smoked every time.

There endeth the lesson.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 03:39 AM

To digress a tad, the bacon banjo is the bastard offspring of the egg banjo - the squaddie's fast food of choice for generations. A proper egg banjo is two slices of white bread with a fried egg in between with a runny yolk.
The name comes from the inevitable moment that comes when the yolk is broached; the eater stands there with left arm outstretched holding the remains of the egg banjo while the right hand frantically frails to get the yolk off the front of one's windproofs.
According to legend there was a choddy wagon on Mount Olympus specifically to serve the gods the finest egg banjoes.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 04:04 AM

A little thread drift which may amuse you on the difference between American bacon and English bacon.

When the Glen Rock Carol Singers came to Sheffield in 2002 - they were treated to a full English breakfast soon after their overnight flight. Many had never left America before.

As the (plated) breakfast came out one of them took a look at the slices of back bacon neatly grilled lying on a plate, turned to his companion and whispered "I think this bacon is raw".

I dread to tell you what they thought of the black pudding. No doubt they put maple syrup on it.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 04:14 AM

You lot have just christened my lunch! Here in Newcastle Business Park, by the side of the river Tyne, we are lucky enough to have a choice of a fantastic Butty Wagon for the perfect bacon 'stotty' - Add to it what you will - I personaly like balck pudding with it but I am a Lancashire pervert...

The other choice is a fantastic deli where there is a great choice of fillings and bread. One I am quite proud of inventing is Spanish Chorizo and Pease Pudding - named the Julio Geordio after the fast show chracater. Their best bacon butties, IMO, are with bown sauce on Ciabatta bread.

I'm already hungry and it's only 9:15:-(

Cheers

Dave


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