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Subject: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: Peter T.
Date: 29 May 07 - 07:41 AM

The papers are beginning to fill up with more nostalgia crap about the Beatles and Sgt. Pepper (it is amusing that everything seems to be duodecimal) -- 20 years ago, 40 years, 64. Fiftieth anniversaries are nothing it seems (first meeting of Johnny and the Moondogs, perhaps?).

I succumb. My even more Beatle obsessed friend hitchicked illegally from school to bring the album back and we sat in the dorm with our little crappy record player and played it about ten times the first day, and tried to figure out the lyrics (hard to read on the back), but who ever heard of putting out lyrics on the album?

Except for "A Day in the Life" it was never my favourite Beatles album. They had me at "She Loves You" -- and thinking back, the most revolutionary moment for me was the cover of Rubber Soul.

There, I did it, I said it, and I'm proud.

yours,

Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 29 May 07 - 07:48 AM

You would be hard pushed to find a more over hyped pop group than the sodding Beatles. I was a Rolling Stones man myself.


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: alanabit
Date: 29 May 07 - 07:55 AM

I also thought Sergeant Pepper was overrated. I think that it was the first time that their ambitions exceeded their writing ability.
"Revolver" actually has more revolutionary songs on it and the sheer energy and innovation is breathtaking even now. Play it next to a U2 album and U2 sound positively conservative. On "Revolver", The Beatles pushed the existing technology to its limits - and the songwriting was there to match. On "Pepper", they were using new sounds, but the songwriting was comparably weak. It's a thing of its time, I guess, but I can think of five or six Beatles albums, which I would rather hear than Sergeant Pepper.


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: GUEST,Adrian Owlett
Date: 29 May 07 - 08:01 AM

I have never been able to come to terms with friends who bang on about Sergeant Pepper being the best album of all time. To my ears it is complete nonsense and only succeeds now through nostalgia glazed eyes. Personally I never much cared for the Beatles as we had far greater musically gifted bands around at the time. They really did get lucky - but of course they did write many of their own tunes and that is what set them apart from the others. For me though, it was image over substance 100%


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: Trevor Thomas
Date: 29 May 07 - 08:19 AM

It was twenty years ago today that people were saying 'It was twenty years ago today' that Sgt Pepper came out.


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: fat B****rd
Date: 29 May 07 - 08:21 AM

Nobody getting all nostalgic then ?


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: John Hardly
Date: 29 May 07 - 08:25 AM

Yeah, the world has virtually been on hold in anticipation of the genius who could come along and rightly assess the inferiority of Sgt Peppers. Yeah, those Beatles sure were overrated.

Of course, there is a whole generation (obviously younger than the old farts that populate this place and scream things like "HEY YOU, KID!!......GET OFFA MY LAWN!!") who were so inspired by that inferior Beatles music that they adopted a lifelong pursuit of guitars and music.

Beatles criticism from lovers of the Kingston Trio. That's rich.


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: GUEST,scotch-man
Date: 29 May 07 - 08:34 AM

Hardly an intelligent comment. The Beatles were shit - they knew it! They couldn't play. Paul was the only one with a bit of talent which he realised and left the other three herberts high and dry. As for Lennon - arsehole pretending to be a revolutionary whilst living the life of a prat!


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: Trevor Thomas
Date: 29 May 07 - 08:42 AM

Paul McCartney started out on the trumpet. John Lennon started out on the Banjo. George Harrison started out on the ukulele.

If only they'd stuck at it they might have made something of themselves.


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: M.Ted
Date: 29 May 07 - 09:22 AM

It was a revolutionary album, because it redefined the way music was produced, written, recorded, played, marketed, conceptualize, etc, etc, etc..........

You can't really disagree with it's importance, except to say, perhaps, that it wasn't important to you, but then, who are you?


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: John Hardly
Date: 29 May 07 - 09:28 AM

"You can't really disagree with it's importance, except to say, perhaps, that it wasn't important to you, but then, who are you?"

M.Ted, in his usual brilliant manner, cuts to the chase.


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 May 07 - 09:31 AM

I always liked the Beatles but I must admit that there are, and were then, much better bands. Never liked the 'stones much either. For 'Pop' I think you would be hard pushed to beat the Small Faces. Clever writing? Ray Davis and the Kinks. Rock? Hendrix of course:-) One of my favourites of all time, and still touring, Jethro Tull! Today Oasis seem to trying to do what the Beatles did, and are just as MOR when you compare them to the Kaiser Chiefs or Arctic Monkeys!

The Beatles did, however, encapsulate the feelings at the time. It was that move away from 'parents music' to music by and for the kids which Rock 'n' Roll started but the '60's' finished. I always thought they were reacting to something rather than leading the way though. Sgt Pepper as the point in question. Lots of people had already done the whole psycodelia thing, including the acid lyrics (Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds to do with LSD? Never! - Must be true coz Lennon said so..) and the military cut uniforms. Somehow though the Beatles managed to bring all these things to the 'masses' like no others did.

If I knew how that happened I would be a rich man today:-)

Cheers

Dave


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: Folk Form # 1
Date: 29 May 07 - 09:40 AM

I never got it. How come Sgt Pepper, of all the Beatles' albums, is considered such a pop masterpiece? No, not a pop masterpiece- a work of art? During the late 60s, there were a handful of albums that revolutionised the soundscape of the period : `Trout Mask Replica', `The Velvet Underground with Nico', 'Astral Weeks', `Pet Sounds','The Band' and the Dylan triumverate: 'Bringing it all Back Home', 'Blonde on Blonde' and 'Highway 61 Revisited.' Let's not forget the umpteen psychedelic one-offs by garage bands captured on the Nuggets compilations. Sgt. Pepper don't even come close to those. The songs are mostly trite, silly, and boring. Even Macca's Frog Chorus thing some years back had a more memorable tune than most of the tracks on here. There are a few that are okay.' With A Little Help From My Friends' is pleasant enough, although Cocker's version is far superior - and that is hardly meant as a recommendation. 'Getting Better' is listenable. The rest are excruciating. `She's Leaving Home' just has to be the most sentimental tosh you will ever here in your life. It's a wonder Cilla Black never covered it. `Lucy...' and `A Day in the Life' are the only songs that stand up to scrutiny.

It may appear as if I have no time for the Beatles. Not true. I think the Fab Four are one of the finest pop groups of the 60s and I heartily recommend such classics as `Abbey Road' and `A Hard Day's Night.' Sgt Pepper, however, I hate. I even hate the cover, which is fussy and scrappy. The photographic portraits of Robert Freeman are far more striking and pleasing to the eye.


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 May 07 - 09:50 AM

Loved it. It was the first cassette tape my ex and I ever bought. The second was a Simon and Garfunkel. Cassette were just becoming the in thing in western Colorado.

I prefer Abbey Road and, esp., the White Album, but Sgt. Pepper will always be special because of the times in which I first acquired it.

BTW, slagging off on the Beatles sounds like sour grapes to me and a bit unseemly.


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: redsnapper
Date: 29 May 07 - 10:10 AM

Second John Hardly and M.Ted.

Not their best but still good.

RS


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 May 07 - 10:37 AM

Oh - and I just (re) bought - after a gap of millions of years - Revolver. Cracking album but what were they thinking of with Yellow Submarine? :-)


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: SINSULL
Date: 29 May 07 - 10:42 AM

Dollars


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: Wesley S
Date: 29 May 07 - 10:42 AM

Sgt Pepper was better than 99.5 percent of the crap that came out about that same time. But I think it suffers from the separation of Lennon amd McCartny as a writing team. In my opinion they were better songwriters when they were trying to mix oil and water.


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: GUEST,Billy Shears
Date: 29 May 07 - 11:08 AM

katlaughing,

It's perfectly fine to slag off on the Beatles. It's not like they ever did anything that had the impact or the staying power of all those Mudcatter CD's.


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 29 May 07 - 12:14 PM

Those who've said that the songwriting in Sgt. Pepper's is not the Beatles' best have a valid point. Most of Pepper's songs are witty little vignettes that don't hold up well outside of the context of the album itself. Within the album context, they work exceptionally well.

What they do particularly well is create visual images within listeners' minds. Remember that there was no MTV in 1967 -- no video directors to interpret the songs and imprint packaged images upon our brains. We all listened and allowed the songs to create images within our minds. Sgt. Pepper's was the soundtrack to the movie, but the movie was different for everyone who listened to the album.


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: Bill D
Date: 29 May 07 - 12:54 PM

I got Folked, and I missed it.


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: alanabit
Date: 29 May 07 - 02:13 PM

I think the Beatles as a pop group will never be surpassed. They were good enough musicians to pull off the tasks they set themselves. That is not saying they were brilliant instrumentalists. In fact they achieved considerably more than many bands, who had much more basic musical ability. That in itself was extraordinary. Looking back, it is hard to remember what pop music was before they arrived. For me, they were the first ever adult pop group. I do not believe anyone else could have brought that off.
I'll go along with the comments of Bee-dubya-ell on this one. Somehow "Sergeant Pepper" had a very special aura in 1967. I think it is almost impossible to explain why objectively forty years later. Maybe this is a subject, which does not lend itself to objectivity?


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: Peter T.
Date: 29 May 07 - 02:46 PM

Actually, I think objectively that they should have put Penny Lane and Strawberry Fields Forever on the album (PL was certainly slated for that) and dumped things like "Good Morning, Good Morning". Those two songs together are really something special. It is interesting that the Cambridge Music Guides which usually work on Berio and Brahms, picked Sgt. Pepper to analyse (very interestingly), and the author snuck in Penny Lane and Strawberry Fields.

yours,

Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: RangerSteve
Date: 29 May 07 - 04:18 PM

I had given up on rock & roll, because most of the good performers were dead or not performing. R&R was replaced by Frankie Avalon, Neal Sedaka and other sacharine performers, then the Beatles came along and revived the music, and I give them credit for that, but by then I was into Country music and didn't care to much about R&R anymore. Yaars later, listening to bhe Beatles, I thought that their attempts at Rockabilly were pale imitations of the originals, but otherwise they were not bad. Some of their later stuff left me cold, but there are some songs that stand out, especially anything that George Harrison did. I don't think they gave him enough exposure on the records. I can still remember the words to "Octopuses Garden", "When I'm 64", and "obla Dee, Obla Da", and I find them incredibly cheerful, but others, like "Revolution nr 9" and "Rocky Racoon" just seem totally unnecessary. Just my opinion.

As for "Sgt. Pepper" being the best rock album ever, I don't believe there's any such thing. There are so many different types of rock music that somparing them and choosing one seems kind of ridiculous.


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: Dave Roberts
Date: 29 May 07 - 05:01 PM

Well it is all about nostalgia, isn't it? I was 15 when the album came out and still full of dreams of what the future might hold. The summer of 1967 has almost mystical associations for me and you can tell me that Sgt. Pepper isn't the best album ever until you turn blue in the face and you'll never convince me.
It's not the music, it's the yearning for times past which will never come again.


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 May 07 - 05:15 PM

Bee-dubya-ell, that a good way to put it. It did paint pictures in our minds.

I didn't actually hear it until we bought the cassette and that would have been in 1970, so we were a little behind the times out here.:-) I was all of 17.

Rocky Raccoon is one of my very favs! Can't believe someone doesn't like it!!**bg**


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: GUEST
Date: 29 May 07 - 07:07 PM

Timeliness..it summed up the mood of its time, in a very appealing way (whimsically, like a lot of UK art), remember, those were more innocent times - I was never a fan, but I can see why it was SO popular; couple of years later, & it wouldn't have worked..(oh, & perhaps Mr Stones fan would care to account for Satanic Majesties?)..


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 May 07 - 07:53 PM

I've never understood why people get into this business of making lists and rankings of the best ever and the top 100 and so forth.

Good is good, take it as it comes and enjoy. Anyone who didn't/doesn't love the Beatles and enjoy Sergeant Pepper, that's OK by me, it's the way they are. I'm just glad it's not the way I am.


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: GUEST,van lingle
Date: 29 May 07 - 10:20 PM

I didn't really appreciate until I first heard it under the influence of LSD. At that point it made perfect sense as a whole and I felt like I was being let in on a grand private joke.


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: Songster Bob
Date: 29 May 07 - 11:02 PM

As an old fart, I can say, with authority, that nostalgia ain't what it used to was.

Sergeant Pepper was a revolutionary album, concept, accomplishment, but revolutions aren't always the best art (Guernica aside), and there are better Beatles albums, better songs, but nothing that had the impact of this one. I recall it "went gold" before it was issued -- quite an accomplishment in them days, I can tell you.

In any case, that was then and this is now and half the band is gone (3/5 if you count Billy Preston) and there's no more fab four or any such these days.

Yup. Nostalgia just ain't what it was when it was what it was but isn't now. And you can quote me.

Bob


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: PoppaGator
Date: 30 May 07 - 12:41 AM

Sgt Pepper may very well not have been the Beatles' greatest musical achievement, but it was a high point as a historical moment.

"You had to be there" to understand why and how it was such a big deal at that particular moment. I was there, but I don't rightly recollect all the details. But trust me, it was significant.


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: Peace
Date: 30 May 07 - 12:49 AM

Amen to that! And the speculations surrounding the 'real meaning' of the cover was like--yeah, what PoppaGator said.


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: GUEST
Date: 30 May 07 - 04:27 AM

I think a whole generation were dragged forward musically by the Beatles. They were so popular that when the latest album came out, people listened to it again and again until they 'got it'. The Beatles strength was that they progressed beyond the basic rock and roll songs they started writing (although there was nearly always a little twist that made them not so straightforward) by absorbing all sorts of influences.

The posters above that say others were better miss the point. For most young people in the sixties the Beatles were first.


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: GUEST
Date: 30 May 07 - 04:30 AM

Oh and another thing, they always had something for everyone on their albums. Every fan had their own favourite album and tracks. For example I could pass on Octopus's Garden and Ob la di but loved Day in the Life and Helter Skelter. Others were the exact opposite but we were still Beatles fans.

Mind you, with hindsight I agree that Revolver was a better album.


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: GUEST,Puck
Date: 30 May 07 - 07:58 AM

If it was such a poor album as some suggest why are we still talking about it, and referring to individual tracks from it,and discussing the lyrics in detail? How come it hasn't 'sunk like a stone'.

I can tell you... it was 'cos the times they were 'a'changin' ', and it was happening for the younger generation. Those of an earlier generation either didn't understand it or felt threatened by it, and young people at that time were not going to give up on it either. The balance of power was altering in a very subtle way...it was not the beginning of a musical revolution, that was already underway through Dylan and others. The Beatles, with their popularity, amongst other things, already high, accelerated away in a different dimension using drug induced imagination and lyrics. That singular album started a revolutionary 'revolution' which was unstoppable by those who thought they were in control of society's boring standards at that time.
The Beatles weren't the only ones heading in that direction. Jefferson Airplane and Grace Slick and others were there too. 'White Rabbit' comes back to mind that was the haze of the sixties. The difference the Beatles had, that others on the same journey did not, was that what they did mattered. They were already very popular - hugely conspicuous and in the public eye.

I think the album is a cornerstone...almost everyone in the world has heard it or heard of it and everyone has a view on it,for good or bad...such is it's impact. I loved it and still do and if we could time travel a century or two forwards we will still be talking about the Beatles and their work.

Shame however that things went from bad to worse, to bring us up to the modern day standard of 'pop' noise [I typed out 'music' but deleted it] .

I've just realized what that means ...

With boring ol' Folkie farts like me about we could well be at the dawn of another music revolution, just...'imagine' for a moment what that might be. Certainly the Beatles will have an influence on that too, but I along with so many others won't understand it and will feel threatened by it, if it remains heading in it's current pop chart form. Gladly I am of the firm beleif that Folk in all it's forms is vibrant, slightly hidden from view[therefore underground], and therefore ripe to fill the void and fulfil it's rightful rennaisance.

We are all getting old. However some of the people who have posted to this topic were too old before Sgt. Pepper to embrace it.
The one certain truth is that all music emanates from... GOOD OLD TRADITIONAL FOLK MUSIC.[Whoops..have I started another thread there?!!]

Pee


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 May 07 - 08:14 AM

"Those of an earlier generation either didn't understand it or felt threatened by it, and young people at that time were not going to give up on it either."

Actually the curious thing about the Beatles was that wasn't quite true. Somehow they managed much of the time to appeal to both without alienating either. Apart from those who found (and continue to find) that in itself a kind of treason.

That's something that Beatles Music has in common with folk music - for those who like it (a minority in the case of folk) its appeal isn't limited to one generation.


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 May 07 - 08:29 AM

Aye - Remember Dora Bryan's "All I want for Christmas is a Beatle"?

(Shudder)

D.


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: GUEST,Puck
Date: 30 May 07 - 09:07 AM

To Mcgrath of Harlow
I grew up in rural Wales in a farming society. I can tell you from my experience people of the older generation were threatened and did fail to understand , but more than that had no intention of trying to understand what was happening any more than they were going to allow it to exist.

maybe you came from a more enlightened area
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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: Peter T.
Date: 30 May 07 - 11:42 AM

I have always thought Guernica was one of the least convincing paintings Picasso ever did.....

yours,

Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 May 07 - 05:40 PM

Well it's not supposed to be photographic realism.


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: Soldier boy
Date: 30 May 07 - 10:13 PM

I have to agree with GUEST,Puck in the earlier lengthy posting.
It was a cornerstone and it rightfully changed musical history.
I their day they were Mega and will continue to be played in decades and decades and decades to come,generation after generation.
So you might as well get used to it.

What has rather pissed me off has been the release of Paul Mc Cartneys' new single and video 'Dance Tonight' that appeared twice tonight on Channel 4.
In my humble opinion it is a cheap commercial attempt to plug into todays very mixed dance culture. It should'nt be successfull but it will be because of all the followers with rose-tinted spectacles who will buy it because they blindly believe that they have to own it to claim it and be part of the name and the brand.
I'm sorry but I find it pathetic. It's a sheep-hearding instinct and I really wish that Paul would retire gracefully with all his millions and not go out as a sad old git!


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: Rusty Dobro
Date: 31 May 07 - 04:14 AM

Sgt Pepper - a concept album with no concept? (Except the first and last tracks).


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: Peter T.
Date: 31 May 07 - 10:10 AM

My objection to Paul's song is that it is a boring piece of crap.

yours,

Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 May 07 - 10:14 AM

Compared to that latest song (I heard it on the radio this morning) the Sgt Pepper stuff is a highbrow intellectual classical masterpiece!

D.


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 31 May 07 - 11:59 AM

Track list

Side one
"Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" – 2:04
"With a Little Help from My Friends" – 2:46
"Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" – 3:30
"Getting Better" – 2:49
"Fixing a Hole" – 2:38
"She's Leaving Home" – 3:37
"Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite!" – 2:39

Side two
"Within You Without You" (Harrison) – 5:07
"When I'm Sixty-Four" – 2:37
"Lovely Rita" – 2:44
"Good Morning Good Morning" – 2:43
"Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise)" – 1:20
"A Day in the Life"

Of these, I would call "A Day in the Life" one of the alltime masterpieces of rock music. Just below this level, and among the best songs the Beatles ever recorded I would include "Lucy", "Mr Kite", "When I''m 64", "Lovely Rita" and "Within You without you". "Sgt Pepper", "Help from my Friends", "Getting Better", and "Fixing a Hole" are merely good songs. "She's Leaving Home" is McCartney succumbing to his sentimental side, but is rendered mostly palatable by a pleasant tune and Martin's string arrangement. "Good Morning" is Lennon succumbing to his cynical side, but is at least interesting. Beatle's Best? Probably not. I favor Revolver or Abbey Road. A great album? Yes it was.


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: Peter T.
Date: 31 May 07 - 01:39 PM

Actually, (Beatle trivia) George Martin didn't do the string arrangement on "She's Leaving Home" -- Mike Leander did.

I think George is on record somewhere as saying it was overdone -- and I agree!!

yours,

Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: GUEST,EnfieldPete
Date: 31 May 07 - 02:46 PM

That Beatles were Brill!!! I took up music because of them and my taste has evolved into tradional mucic. Not not a bad influence I would say!


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 31 May 07 - 03:38 PM

Given the continuing (and wholly justified) admiration of then Beatles it is curious that the movie Yellow Submarine is no longer available on either DVD or video except second-hand.

No doubt at some point it'll get re-released with a lot of hype, at an inflated price - but it's not the right way to treat this kind of material.


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: M.Ted
Date: 31 May 07 - 11:55 PM

I found Yellow Submarine at Target a couple years back, and popped it in for the little ones, who watched it for days--their favorite song," Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds"--it is peculiar indeed to hear five year olds singing lyrics which once seemed so esoteric-


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Subject: RE: Sgt. Pepper (the usual nostalgia crap)
From: cshurtz
Date: 01 Jun 07 - 02:15 AM

Well I discovered the Beatles in the summer of 97 (age 17) For me it was my own summer of love. I also discovered LSD then. Sgt. Pepper was the most beautiful thing in the world when sitting out at my parent's pond and tripping hard. So Pepper has that special and magical place in my life. Even though I'm a converted folkie nowdays, when I think of the best album ever, I still think of Pepper, even though Revolver is probably better. I don't listen to much of the Beatles these days mainly because all their songs are just inside me now


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