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GUEST,Ralphie (The Real One) 24 May 07 - 01:01 AM
nickp 24 May 07 - 05:03 AM
GUEST,Ralphie 24 May 07 - 06:22 AM
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Tyke 24 May 07 - 04:36 PM
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GUEST,Diane Easby 25 May 07 - 06:45 AM
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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: GUEST,Tony Blur
Date: 23 May 07 - 05:24 PM

So why, in God's name, when you first logged on, did you give yourself a stupid alias?

There's nothing wrong with your real name. Your Mum and Dad chose it, poudly and lovingly, and you've lived happily (more or less - we all have a few moments) with it ever since. In fact you're quite proud of it now, and why not? That named person has acheived much to be proud of. And everyone in your life who you care about - people you see and touch - knows who you are.

In fact your name has now become an integral part of your personality. It's part of your soul. It's the label that proves your transaction with society.

And that's true of all of us.

Then suddenly along came The Internet and immediately everyone starts calling himself by a ridiculous moniker. As if he's joined a cult, or a terrorist organisation, and has had to be baptised into a new faith.

WHY?

Just look at you.

Half the time you find you suddenly need to tell everyone who you really are - so you sign your posts with your real name (and get very high and mighty about it too).

The other half you're deleting your cookie so you can log in as GUEST The Man Who Came To Dinner so even the regulars won't recognise you.

How silly.

And all the time Max and Joe are comparing the computer IDs and chortling away thinking what fun it would be to blow the whistle and reveal all.

Ha. Ha. Ha.

I'll never use my real name on this forum, or join it, until EVERYONE uses the name written on their driving licences.

Paul Gaugin


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: GUEST,wifi wizard
Date: 23 May 07 - 06:15 PM

I'm parked out side your house now using your internet connection. I've downloaded loads of stuff from your hard drive on to my laptop just to prove how shi* your pasword is. Just think how much spam I can send all your contacts.


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: GUEST
Date: 23 May 07 - 07:00 PM

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep00/articles/music.htm


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: GUEST,Ralphie (The Real One)
Date: 24 May 07 - 01:01 AM

Well, Tyke (George) until you had the nerve to do it, in all my years here, nobody else has ever tried to use my name. What does that tell you?
Anybody who has read my posts on this and numerous other subjects (mainly to do with Concertinas) know all there is to know about me,
I would ask you to stop being chidish and to post under your real name, (Oh, and I would also be interested to know your real connection with the person named in the subject of this thread,) Thank you.
As GUEST "Tony" said above. are you ashamed of your own name?
Now lets get back on topic.
GUEST DD
Not sure about "Third Ear Band", Hows about "Extreme Noise Terror", or "Melt Banana" !!!
Or the "Ride of the Valkyries"
Only Joking

Ralph Jordan.


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: nickp
Date: 24 May 07 - 05:03 AM

Ah the Third Ear Band.... that takes me back a bit.

All right, it takes me back a lot to the days when I had hair and was skinny as a rake. Thinner on top and fatter round the middle now. I still have a copy somewhere though!

Nick (attempting a little levity)


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 24 May 07 - 06:22 AM

nickp...
Nice attempt at levity, God knows this subject could do with some occasionally!
As for the ageing process, well, I'm still as thin as a rake, and all my own hair, though it's gone a bizarre colour!

Never really got the Third Ear Band, more of an Egg/Hatfields/Nat Health/Hopper/Soft Machine/Matching Mole/ Wyatt bloke meself.
Whatever floats your boat I suppose
Regards Ralphie


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: nickp
Date: 24 May 07 - 07:18 AM

Hi Ralphie - and keep up the good work with the relevant part of this thread!

3EB was never really my boat but the silver cover lp did have a certain nostalgic part in the listening background of my mispent youth - although I must own that I may not have been taking a great deal of notice at the time!

*Grin*
Nick


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: Folkiedave
Date: 24 May 07 - 08:20 AM

Ralphie, I am amazed you are so thin - 'cos as far as I can see you do like a beer occasionally. Or even an occasional beer.

How do you do it?

Come on Dave, do the deal.......


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: Tyke
Date: 24 May 07 - 04:36 PM

Hi Ralphie
Another good reason for logging on apart from the obvious not telling people that Ralphie is away on holiday invitation to burgle your house. That is why you use should nick name. Back to the logging on thing, I sent you a personal message days ago telling you all sorts of things. I don't think you received it did you I think that is because like your email you have to login.

Do the decent thing Ralphie join the Mudcat and Login :-). I have been cryptic but it must have noticed that it is the Guests (not you Ralphie) who are the ones who open them selves up for a libel suite. The last thing you need is someone doing what I was able to do and use your name.

I was talking to one Mudcater who held a theory that Max as a Physiologist was using the Mudcat as a social experiment. I don't know if that is true or not however when you log in you can access everything that anyone has every written about anything.
Cheers George
Who is staying at home this Bank Holiday to look after his six guard dogs.


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 24 May 07 - 05:05 PM

Good grief, Max wants to dissect our living organisms?
How is he going to do that and why?
Is this before or after burgling our houses?
You can log in to read the archive and then log out and post as a Guest.
This is actually a really good idea and saves you getting lengthy PMs from nutters.
(Not that anyone I've had one from one of those recently has been one of those . . . but you never know).
It's good to be a Guest. Think I'll revert as it will put a stop to the tedious process of having to explain my Child #68 name.

Diane Easby


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: Tyke
Date: 24 May 07 - 05:33 PM

You mean you're not a proper countess/ Shock horror relief! :-) Diane I may or may not agree with you about some things. But people should be aware and keep themselves safe and that includes your self.

I have no idea if the Mudcaters whose idea that this is all just a social experiment was or is correct or not. I certainly don't want people running around looking for weapons of mass destruction. (If I apply for and entry Visa to the land of the free and it's refused it will probably be that last sentence that did it.) He may have just been paranoid still it is worth pointing out that all contributions including PM's are archived.
George


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: GUEST,buspassed
Date: 25 May 07 - 06:25 AM

So I said to Dave Bulmer.......


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: Surreysinger
Date: 25 May 07 - 06:30 AM

Buspassed, I'm really not sure what you're trying to achieve there... if it's humour,I'm afraid that I really don't get the joke.As Ralphie said earlier, "God knows this subject could do with some (levity) occasionally" ... but I reckon that ain't it. Sorry.


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 25 May 07 - 06:39 AM

So tell him to stop his wi-fi weirdo activities (or whatever else he's doing with his laptop) parked outside my house. Then I'll go out for a meaningful conversation.


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: GUEST,Diane Easby
Date: 25 May 07 - 06:45 AM

Sorry, temporarily forgot my recent social demotion.


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: GUEST,it aint me babe
Date: 25 May 07 - 11:17 AM

In the last 48 hours,
this thread has gone a bit off subject
self indulgent personalized shite.

innit !


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 25 May 07 - 11:41 AM

As far as I am aware, I know just three people who are posting to this thread. One of these I know for sure has a not readily decipherable dual identity. Oh, and the subject. Though he's not posting. Or is he?

So, not very personalised. How would someone apparently of transatlantic extraction (as the spelling of 'personalized' would indicate) know anyway?

Other than that, your assessment is reasonably accurate, though it's hardly off-topic. People are getting threatened with housebreaking and wi-fi fraud. Not nice.

Oops, I see I'm logged in again, but no matter, everyone knows who I am.
Who are you?

Diane


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: Tyke
Date: 25 May 07 - 12:30 PM

There you go again Diane miss quoting people. If you log on and use a secure password to enable your cookie then no one can put words into your mouth. All I have asked is that you realize that everyone should keep himself or herself safe.

Now just in case Mudcaters are in some doubt about my statement that Diane
(Countess Richard) miss quotes people all you have to do is to look back on her interpretation of what people have said.

Countess Richards's chosen Mudcat name is taken from a Child #68 and in that Ballard she stabs here true love to death with a penknife. Then she wants to kill the messenger a little bird that has pointed out her mistake and told her the truth.

I am beginning to wonder if her hatred of Dave Bulmer could be to do with his rejection of her amorous advance towards him. I must ring Dave and ask him if this is the case. She certainly doing her best to miss quote and inflame people into all sorts of ill-advised actions.


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 May 07 - 12:43 PM

Well, while you're on the phone to Dave...oh, never mind....


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 25 May 07 - 12:44 PM

Good grief.

Actually, it wasn't the countess who stabbed Earl Richard (that's Love Henry to all you Murkans) but his lover.

Story went like this: bloke comes round and 'turls at the pin' (rings doorbell).
Bit on side says: 'You coming in? Fire's on, candles are lit'.
He thinks for a moment and says: 'Nah. I'm going home to the wife.
She stabs him and puts him down well/into River Clyde.

One of the longest versions is on Tony Rose's Young Hunting (LER 2013 1970).
I'm sure you don't need three guesses to get why you can't hear it.


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: GUEST,buspassed
Date: 25 May 07 - 12:46 PM

I went to Surrey some years ago, not a sense of humour in sight, little has changed.

So for the hard of laughing let me explain my comment. The previous eight postings were so HUS they were approaching the more anatomically specific HUA! Not to mention being nowhere near the BP/W/B topic so I thought......

If anyone finds a will to live out there it'll be mine!


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: GUEST,Ralph Jordan
Date: 25 May 07 - 12:54 PM

Tyke.
Let us return to the subject in hand, if we may.
(Too many Red Herrings going on here.)
Firstly you say that you attempted to PM me with details (??) whatever that means, but, obviously as a non-member I didn't receive it/them. I'm wondering what it could possibly be that you don't want other people to read?
I have tried to stick to the facts as I know them and Mea Culpa if the anger and frustration boils over occasionally. I'm only human after all, and I normally try and apologise for any outbursts, but, I've been involved with this sorry saga since Nics crash in 1981. and was goood friends with Tony Rose, and knew Lal Waterson reasonably well.
I'm also only too well aware that Daves legal friend is very hot on what is and isn't said in public fora. So I'm very careful what Isay.

Secondly, if you do talk to Mr B, could he re-assure us that all the master tapes are in a playable condition?

If for any reason they are not, then that is regrettable, but not a hopeless situation.
Having read the articles re tape reclamation in Sound On Sound it is remarkable what can be done nowadays, and there would be no shame attached if the tapes have been damaged or shed their oxide over the years (It's happened to some very big companies after all).

When was the last time he examined them? And please beg him not to fast spool them, any failure in the binding glue that holds the oxide to the backing could irreparably ruin them.

If indeed they are unsalvageable, then we can all just pack up and go home. No recriminations.

It's just not knowing that is so frustrating.

If indeed they are all fine, then we carry on the fight.

Ralph


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 May 07 - 01:16 PM

Tyke you are a PRICKINE.


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: GUEST,Diane Easby
Date: 25 May 07 - 01:21 PM

Right, cookie gone. For ever.

I apologise to Ralph for straying a little off the main subject but I think some words from one of those folkloric talking birds that always tell it like it is might be useful.

One of them was watching as I sat in Bill Leader's kitchen while many of these recordings were made. Probably it said to me: 'Copy those tapes and get them out of here 'three hours before the day' but it was the 1970s and I wasn't listening. Maybe it could foresee what would come to pass many years on. Who knows?

Still, just as that bird speaking up about just where Earl Richard's body was hidden and so brought his false love to justice, so it might fly over Harrogate and let us know what's hidden there and whether it can be salvaged. Maybe it could have a word with that wicked pussy cat Bulmer and tell him to stop scaring Poor Polly and pretending to be Gollum and just tell us HOW MUCH?


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: Tyke
Date: 25 May 07 - 01:36 PM

Hi Ralph,
I said it once I'll say it again speak personally to Dave Bullmer. This is not the place to discus what is when all said and done a Business matter.

I have no idea why you do not wish to become a member, a Mudcater, however a Guest you should make yourself acquainted with the Mudcat and what is all about. Some so called members should also do the same best place to start is HERE!


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 May 07 - 01:41 PM

on the contrary, tyke, this is the correct place to speak about this matter.
It is important for everyone in the folk world to know what has been going on.


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: Tyke
Date: 25 May 07 - 02:13 PM

Wrong Captain Birdseye it is not the place to speak about Buisness.
Click on the Blue Clicky thing and check out the facts. Let's face the fact Dave has spoken publicly on the BBC about Bright Phoebus this is what this thread is about. Other people as well as Dave and including Martian Carthy have been mis quoated. The Musicians Union have been mis quoated. On this thread threats have been made as well as personal insults.

As Ralph, if indeed it is Ralph, has no wish to become a member of Mudcat he cannot recive personal messages.

Oh and would you like to explain to me and everyone who is reading this thread what a PRICKINE is.

Oh and Countess Richard has ask me to say that there is no truth in the rumor about her and Dave Bullmer.


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: Tyke
Date: 25 May 07 - 02:28 PM

If only Countess Richard had bought the original tapes and the Contracts and paperwork from her friend Bill Leader. She now say's you knows all about them. So why didn't you buy Bill Leaders catalogue when you had the chance Diane?


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: GUEST
Date: 25 May 07 - 02:39 PM

Bill Leader's company became insolvent and the assets were wound up and sold on by the liquidator in the usual way, initially to Highway.
This occurred well after Leader/Trailer had relocated to Halifax, and I to Germany.
Consequently the company was never offered to me.
Who knows this? Well most people, though clearly not you, George.
Many things in life would have been different, with the benefit of hindsight.
Bill Leader was actually quite cheered (at the time) when your lord and master eventually acquired whatever he did acquire because he considered it preferable to it going to US academics who'd just lock it in a cupboard. Ha!


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: GUEST,Diane Easby
Date: 25 May 07 - 02:40 PM

That was me.


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 25 May 07 - 02:44 PM

Hi George/Tyke.
You suggest that I talk directly to Dave??
Novel suggestion, I have to say. I don't think I could afford the legal costs.
Presumably a Mr Sharpley would be present at such a meeting??
Every word would be minuted, I presume?

Knowing my knowledge of legalese, I would probably be stitched up like a kipper within seconds!!

Nobody (as far as I'm aware) has ever succeeded in any case against Celtic Music (Pat Cooksey, where are you?)

For the record, I never was a Leader/Trailer/Transatlntic/Highway recording artist, and therefore am not seeking any compensation for myself.

As his friend I'm just asking you to pose a simple question.

Are the Master tapes that he owns in a playable condition?
If No, then there will be a lot of sad people out there.
If Yes, then we won't be going away.

It's all so simple.
Yes or No?

It's not as if telling us they're safe changes anything, but it would negate a lot of peoples suspicions that they have been destroyed or damaged somehow.

Looking forward to a reply soon

Ralph The Real One


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: Tyke
Date: 25 May 07 - 03:20 PM

So you sold all your records and moved to Germany you were never offered the chance of buying Bill Leaders Company. The liquidator wound up the companies assets in the usual way. Then eventually Dave Bullmer bought the assets he must possess some foresight that you lack in hindsight.

In fact as you have stated you sold all your records I quote your post Diane (Countess Richard)

"Once I had nearly all them them on vinyl but sold them to Collets in 1979 because I could find no-one to store them for me when I was leaving to live in Germany. Of all the silly things I've ever done, that tops the list."

I think you should be thanking Dave Bullmer for keeping the collection together it would seem to me that you would have sold them to Collets as soon as you needed some space. Collets may well then have sold off the collection in bits and pieces making it very difficult for anyone to trace them.

Captain Birdseye I quote your post
"Dave Bulmer.
he is suppressing The New Mexborough English Concertina Quartet,second recording, that he acquired from Richard Digance[we trusted Richard Digance],and he passed on our recordings to Bulmer.[without consulting us]
He also owns the mastertape to Cheating the Tide,byDick Miles,and refused to sell me the mastertape.
Bulmrer is a complete bollox.Ihope he rots in hell."
Dave Bulmer don't seem to be suppressing anything, in your statement, he is just refusing to sell you the master tape. I'm sure if you put up the monies for the albums in question to be reproduced. Dave will do it.
What is the minimum run for a CD pressing these day's? If you can sell them put your money where your mouth is. Come on do the deal.

Ralph talk to Dave Bulmer if you are open and honest then what have you got to worry about. You know not to sign any contracts without having your own solicitor don't you.


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: Folkiedave
Date: 25 May 07 - 03:42 PM

Had I had the foresight and business acumen to have bought the master tapes I would like to think I would have saved the Master Tapes, made sure there were excellent copies and with the advent of CD's made and sold some from the master tapes. Many could be money makers. There is a market for the Sheffield Carols record for example, never mind the Bright Phoebus one.

I would then have passed on any royalties from those sales to the artists.

Is that what Dave has done and if not - since you appear to be so close to him George - why not?

Seems good business to me all round. Instead of which Dave has a load of pissed off people who think his name stinks. And he is a business man?

Dave


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: GUEST,Diane Easby
Date: 25 May 07 - 03:54 PM

If Mr Bulmer has kept the collection together and in good condition AND makes it possible for them to be reissued, a lot of people and not just me would thank him.

You claim he had 'foresight' in acquiring them in the first place. This implies and intention to reissue, or sell on at a profit. Fine. Let him do it.

I lack nothing in 'hindsight' as I can see very well now what would have been better all round for everyone, including him. No-one imagined, at the time, that such a treasure trove of collected work would ever become unavailable for so long. Those of us who no longer have the vinyl never dreamed that they wouldn't be able to replace it later in another format. Artists wouldn't be dying off with their work hidden from the world.

As it is, nothing is occurring. Just what kind of 'foresight' does Mr Bulmer have?


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: Tyke
Date: 25 May 07 - 04:53 PM

What format do you think would be the best to preserve all these valuable recordings on Diane?


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: GUEST,Spidey Bobo
Date: 25 May 07 - 05:27 PM

Sounds to me that ciderman is a bit of a prick!


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: GUEST,Diane Easby
Date: 25 May 07 - 05:30 PM

If the original master tapes have been stored in proper conditions and remain playable and transferable, that format will have been absolutely fine.

Have they?


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: Tyke
Date: 25 May 07 - 07:25 PM

Film sound track seems to be the only recorded sound that is not affected by the Earths Magnetic Field.

So you have the equipment to play these master tapes on then Diane? I doubt if many others have so what format do you think these master tapes should be transferred too? Before they are played and played on your tape player and destroyed.


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 25 May 07 - 07:45 PM

Tyke.
I have no intention of talking face to face with Mr B.
You've had the question 3 times now...
I still await the answer (Though I think I can guess what it will be.)

If the tapes still exist, then there are numerous formats to which they can be transferred, All digital obviously, and probably in multiple ways. Hard Drives/DVD archives, etc, the list goes on.

And proper humidity/temperature controlled conditions for the original analogue masters is an imperative. Costly, but Hey, are these recordings important to Dave, or just a potential "cash cow".
(Pretty skinny looking cow if you ask me)

Agreeing with Folkiedave, This is exactly what I did with the first Crows LP. Struck a deal with Dingles records, and, will eventually re release it.
But, at least I (and the rest of the band) am master of that LPs fates destiny.

The poor sods on the Leader label aren't so lucky.

Tyke

The more you prevaricate about obtaining the answer to my very simple question re the condition of the masters, the more I (and others) are becoming sure that some, if not all, have deteriated beyond recovery.

Ask Mr Bulmer the question, and put us out of our misery.

Any diversionary tactics will be ignored.

Safe or Not?
Yes or No?

Ralph

PS. What's all this guff about me signing a contract with Dave Bulmer?? What for?? He doesn't own any of my property.

Even if he did, I wouldn't even lift a pen without an army of lawyers.

Oh, and wasn't Mr Sharpley struck off a few years ago? Maybe it's just my imagination. Sure I read it somewhere.

And What news of Mr Cooksey and "The Sick Note"??


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: Tyke
Date: 25 May 07 - 07:54 PM

Folkiedave the fact is that you don't have the master tapes you did not have the foresight to buy them 20 years ago.

Now as a leading light in the record industry Folkiedave can you tell us if CD's sales are falling due to downloading and if the cost of Downloading onto whatever player you have chosen is falling.

Then using your conclusions tell us how much of your hard earned money you would be willing to invest today in re-releasing all these Albums.

To get back to the subject of the Thread the BBC programme about Bright Phoebus didn't I hear Mike Waterson say that he had a copy of the master tape.


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 25 May 07 - 07:57 PM

Blimey Tyke.
Think you need to do a bit of research into Physics.

Firstly, If you are talking about Analogue audio stripes on a 35 mm or 70mm film, the principle is exactly the same as normal analogue tape.
But, the bit about the effect of the earths magnetic field????? Excuse me!!!

Mmmmm....How many millenia would we have to wait for that to happen!!! The Earths magnetic field is so weak that its relevance to this discussion is completely immaterial.
After all, if your theory is true, how come all those films made in the 30s and 40s are still listenable to??

No, It's putting tape in close proximity of a powerful magnet (Loudspeaker etc) that will damage them. (Or leaving them in a damp and hot environment)

WANT THAT ANSWER GEORGE.
ASK THE QUESTION
R


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: Tyke
Date: 25 May 07 - 08:52 PM

Ralphie
If you won't talk to Dave Bulmer and ask him questions then you will not get the answers. I am not s spokesman for Dave Bulmer personally and I think you are being a bit condescending to the Artists who signed recording contracts with Bill Leader. These are intelligent people that you are referring too; they made the decision to sign the contracts with Bill Leader. Those assets were sold according to Diane by the liquidators to pay off Bill Leaders Companies debts.

I have been asking the question so tell use is there someone here who is willing to put up there own monies to re release all the Bill Leader catalogue today. Come on Ralphie Do the Deal.

Re the earth's magnetic field becoming weak is this going to stop me falling out of bed Ralphie?

I think you will find Ralphie that the BBC is using the principles of bar coding to preserve programmes that have been recorded on Videotape and you will find that some film projectors as used in the cinema use light to read the sound track. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound-on-film


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 May 07 - 10:28 PM

ok.. i logged in for a change

just to ask again..

if theres any chance anyone recorded the Radio 4 program
'Bright Phoebus'

please could you upload an mp3 of it to somewhere like rapidshare
and PM me a working download link..

i only heard a few minutes at the start of that program..

..enough to interest me in an LP i'd never heard of before,

and so to search for and buy a 'Bright Phoebus' CD..

but i did not have time to listen to the full broadcast..

If i had, i might have realised in advance of purchasing it
that any currently available commercial CD release
is subject of bitter dispute
and sold to an unsuspecting buying public
in 'amateurish' inferior sound quality..

So after reading all this thread..

I really want to listen to the entire radio program
to gain extra valuable perspective
from the artists and music business characters involved in this classic LPs
creation and long term suppression..


please.. i'd really apreciate a chance to listen to this radio 4 program...


thanks.....


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 26 May 07 - 02:31 AM

Hi there PFR.

A friend kindly sent me a cassette of the prog.
Sadly I don't have a cassette m/c in working order, having moved on to other formats many years ago!!

I would be happy to lend it to you to listen to (and possibly transfer it to a CD for me, if you can??) MP3 would be fine as I think it is not the best of quality, but it's what is being said that is more important to this issue.

As an outsider, I would value your unbiased opinion of the prog.

So, I suggest that to facilitate this plan, without revealing your address publicly, why not ask a mate to receive a Jiffy bag!!

IE

Mr Rocker
c/o.........

Hope this helps

Regards Ralphie


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 26 May 07 - 02:56 AM

Tyke
Wall, Head, Hitting, Brick Re-Arrange.

Several artists have been trying for countless years to buy back their material, but have got nowhere.
Dave B doesn't do deals.
You ask me to put up my money...Hah!
I'm on a pension. Nuff said.

For the entire Leader catalogue (listed above) I think Dave would expect to be paid a figure with several noughts before giving in!!

But, as he hasn't spoken to anyone nobody really has a clue what his price would be.
Meanwhile he's not making anything either. What a ridiculous situation.

As for the other bits, Yes Optical soundtracks on film are the norm, but I'm sure that a stripe "tape-like" audio track was used at sometime as well.
Not really into film soundtracks. Prepared to be corrected.

The line that creased me up was (ands I quote)
"Re the Earths magnetic field becoming weak, will this stop me falling out of bed"...????

Who said it was getting weak?
It is weak anyway, yes strong enough to divert solar wind from frying us all, and creating the two Auroras at opposite ends of the planet, but nowhere near strong enough to affect the information stored on tape, If it was, all those Radio shows recorded in the 50's would be unplayable now, and they are not unplayable. Hence the success of BBC 7.

The reason you fall out of bed is due to a force called Gravity. Hope that has cleared that one up.

If you want a blow by blow account of how and why the BBC set up the Radio Archiving project a few years ago, then I will tell you the history, but it's seriously off topic in this thread.
Ralph


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 May 07 - 05:26 AM

Tyke,Dave Bulmers answer to me was no.Should he change his mind I am easily contactable,I have a website.
A Prickine,well i,ll leave that to your imagination,everyone in West Cork knows what it is.
I suspect that a lot of the master tapes have deteriorated beyond salvation.


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: GUEST,Spidey Bobe
Date: 26 May 07 - 05:32 AM

Any old pikey should be able to bring those tapes back to life!


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: Surreysinger
Date: 26 May 07 - 06:00 AM

Captain, you said "I suspect that a lot of the master tapes have deteriorated beyond salvation." As an interested bystander in all of this, who would love to buy and hear many of the "missing" items if ever released on CD , I rather fear you may be right ...it would be a good reason to be non-communicative. I wonder whether the rallying call should be amended to "Come Clean Dave" .... although, having said that, if any of the tapes at all are still in salvable condition there would obviously still be a deal to be done. I shall continue to live in hope.


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: GUEST,buspassed
Date: 26 May 07 - 07:32 AM

Sorry Tyke, Mike Waterson didn't say he had the masters for PB. When asked if he knew what had happened to them he said his lips were sealed. Bulmer then unconvincingly said "Yes we had the master for that." He also went on to say he released the CD [without explaining the release was on CDR not CD]


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Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus/Watersons/Bulmer
From: GUEST
Date: 26 May 07 - 10:27 AM

Ralphie
Wall, Head, Hitting, Brick Re-Arrange
Yes I do feel as if I'm hitting my head against a brick wall you won't speak to Dave Bulmer you won't log on to receive any personal messages. You won't come out and admit that you are wrong about magnetic tape and the earth's magnetic field.

Now you tell us that you are a poor pensioner and that you haven't got the money to buy the Leader catalogue fro Dave Bulmer. You have appointed yourself as a spokes person for every artist under a Leader catalogue. But you won't talk to Dave Bullmer! Twenty-Five Years ago, which is according to you when Dave bought the catalogue the world, was a different place we had a mining industry and three television channels. We did not have the National Lottery Funding the Arts. You could approach them Ralphie mind you how far you would get when you explain that you won't speak to Dave Bulmer.

You won't speak to Dave Bulmer because you are frightened of Sharply hasn't he been struck off. You understand that Dave has done nothing illegal you just want to shout do the deal Dave.

Ralphie you are worried about the storage conditions of the master tapes. Why not go up to Harrogate and have a look a Dave Bullmer's premises. If Dave Bullmer is sitting on tapes that are worth, according to you, a small fortune do you really think that he would not store them correctly?

As for the NOT lost Album Bright Phoebus have a listen again to the programme Mike Watersons did claim to have a copy of the master tape by saying my lips are sealed. Dave Bullmer did speak about the Album on the programme. The Watersons we have been told re recorded some of the tracks and they have been released on another Label.

Oh and whilst you pontificate about not speaking to Dave Bulmer now or in the past you should be aware that there is a possibility that some the laws on Copy Right are about to change. Perhaps you do know that hence the demands for Dave to do the deal now. You seem to want Dave to dip into his pension fund and reduce its value.

Trust is a two-way street Ralphie talk to Dave Bulmer.


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