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Station Inn Whitby (renamed Tap & Spile)

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Dave the Gnome 02 May 07 - 06:40 AM
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GUEST,jj 02 May 07 - 08:34 AM
GUEST,guest 02 May 07 - 10:14 AM
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Carol 02 May 07 - 12:32 PM
Snuffy 02 May 07 - 12:59 PM
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GUEST,one who is not in the in crowd 03 May 07 - 06:04 AM
GUEST,The Station Inn Whitby! 03 May 07 - 06:30 AM
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Subject: Station Inn Whitby
From: The Villan
Date: 01 May 07 - 04:32 PM

Somebody requested a new thread for the renamed Tap & Spile at Whitby, so here it is.


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: squeezeboxhp
Date: 01 May 07 - 05:02 PM

so what was wrong with the cutty sark


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: gnomad
Date: 01 May 07 - 06:17 PM

Last I heard she was in Greenwich ;-]

At least the new name has relevance to the pub's location, so it seems fair to give it a go.


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: The Villan
Date: 02 May 07 - 01:56 AM

It used to be called the Station Inn before the Tap & Spile, I believe.


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: GUEST,Observer
Date: 02 May 07 - 03:38 AM

I think it was called the Station Inn before the Cutty Sark, which was before the Tap and Spile. ( I am prepared to stand corrected:-))

Ob


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 02 May 07 - 03:40 AM

When I first got to Whitby Folk Week (1981) the pub was called the Cutty Sark, and was a nice enough, but fairly ordinary pub with nice enough but fairly ordinary beer. I can't recall for certain which brewery it was tied to, possibly Camerons, but It is a long time ago now. The decor was carpets, wallpaper and a single choice of beer.
In the early 1980s a few innovative landlords across the country came up with the idea of giving beer drinkers a choice not linked to ONE breaery. The Fighting Cock in Bradford (formerly the Preston Hotel) was one of the first of these. These were totally independent and as decor cvhose to go for the original wooden floor and a clean but basic decor, nothing fancy.
When they had proved that this idea was popular, a number of bigger organisations copied the idea but as a chain of pubs all branded in basically the same way. The Tap and Spile chain was one of these.
Since that time, the "chain"was bought and sold between brewery and "pub owning company" and in the process the freedom to select their own choice of beer which the licensee originally had, became more and more restricted to an OFFICIAL LIST provided by the "COMPANY". Finally the chain was split up by the accountants, with many of the pubs sold off completely. Some were leased to the occupiers. At this point many of the pubs which had been Tap & Spiles changed their name and image. Other landlords/ladies decided to keep the name and the "branding" as it suited the type of customer they wished to encourage.

Back to Whitby. The new management seem to want to keep going the same kind of music which made itself at home in the Tap, but they also intend to alter other aspects of the pub, type and scale of food served, for instance. Changes to the decor have been fairly subtle, but they presumably feel that what the will be offering is different enough from the Tap & Spile brand image that the name is no longer appropriate. It makes sense that a new name goes with a "new" pub.
What they haven't done is turned it back into the style or type of pub which the old Cutty Sark was. If they had just reverted to how it was then, it might make sense to go back to being "the Cutty" but they are going for something diferent from both pubs.
I am told that the pub WAS originally called The Station, hardly surprising as it is directly opposite the railway station. I suspect the name probably got changed after Beeching gutted the rail network.
It therefore is a pretty obvious choice as new name for the pub.
Quack!
Geoff the Duck.


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 02 May 07 - 03:44 AM

Didn't spot those typing errors before I posted. Spotted a load of others though.
By the way, it was me who suggested a new thread, the old Tap & Spile one was getting very long and frankly most of it was irrelevant to the pub under new management and new name. I just thought a fresh start would be appropriate.
Quack!
Geoff.


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: Betsy
Date: 02 May 07 - 05:49 AM

There's a few boozers called the Tap and Spile up in North East Yorks - there's certainly one in Guisborough - I wonder if they belong to a little chain."They" generally bought pubs which were not doing very well - and put in real ales.
The Cutty Sark and many many others were not welcoming to folkies in the 70's / 80's until they had a rethink and realised how much the folkies were spending. Also in those days, money was tight in Whitby
Geoff has got me there - usually I can remember which pub sold what -so I'll not doubt his Camerons, but it could have been Sam Shits or Whitbread , but let's go with Camerons.
Btw , Butcher Beeching didn't get Whitby - there has always been a timetabled / scheduled journey between Middlesbrough and Whitby and what a great little journey it is once you get out of the Boro.
I say THAT with intimimate knowledge of the Boro - so no knocking too much please !
Anyhow the Station is !!!!


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 May 07 - 06:29 AM

The Fat Ox at Whitley Bay (My now weektime home) is a Tap and Spile that seems to have reverted. I can't remember what beer was sold at the Cutty either. Can't see it being either Camerons or Sam Smiths seeing as they are both breweries are still well represented in Whitby. Could have been I suppose if it wasn't doiing well but it was always heaving when I went to the festival in the 80's.

Dave.


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: GUEST,MC Fat
Date: 02 May 07 - 06:38 AM

Cameron got a foothold in the North Yorkshire region by buying a Malton Brewery (I think it was Rose's) that's why there was a large contingent of Camerons Pubs in Whitby. Camerons then went through a colourfull array of owners after the Cameron family sold it - Elerman Lines and eventually to the corrupt Slater Walker group who promptly assett stripped sold off pubs started cahins like Tap and Spile before the rump of the company being sold to Wolverhampton and Dudley who when under threat by the Stock market sold it off to Castle Eden which in itself was a management buyout from Whitbread.


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 May 07 - 06:40 AM

I'm sure the Elsinore was still selling Camerons Strong Arm when I was in Whitby last year. So who owns them now?

D.


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: GUEST,edthefolkie
Date: 02 May 07 - 07:05 AM

Camerons are still owned by Castle Eden but at least they still brew in Hartlepool. They could have been taken over by Gr**ne K*ng and the brewery immediately closed down like Hardys & Hansons in Nottingham (and Morlands, and all the rest)

As for the Station Inn - might get more business now the North York Moors Railway has got the go-ahead to run regular steam into Whitby. Many gricers seem also to be folkies - after all why not be COMPLETELY unfashionable?


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: GUEST,jj
Date: 02 May 07 - 08:34 AM

Check Out the beerintheevening website and search for The Station Inn Whitby, photos, information, opening times etc!!!


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 02 May 07 - 10:14 AM

Prior to being the Tap & Spile the Cutty was a camerons house
Prior to being the Cutty which was built in 1932 on the site of what was once Jutland Cottage and a wharehouse - the pub was actually below Jutland Cottage and was called The Railway Inn.
There was a fire which destroyed the original buildings and the Cutty was built as is.


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: Snuffy
Date: 02 May 07 - 12:08 PM

I'm afraid Butcher Beeching did get the line THROUGH Whitby, Betsy. When I was in short trousers, our church choir used to spend a couple of weeks at a Christian camp in Staithes - and we got there on a train from Scarborough via Robin Hoods Bay and Whitby and Hinderwell and other places with exotic names. An amazing route which didn't exactly hug the coast, but seemed to flirt with it!

All gone now


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: Carol
Date: 02 May 07 - 12:32 PM

Snuffy that's where the Staithes Acoustic weekend uses the camp site I reckon the showers etc. are the same ones! Great weekend how about coming up/over to renew old memories!!


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: Snuffy
Date: 02 May 07 - 12:59 PM

Do you think I'll find much unchanged after 50 years?


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 02 May 07 - 07:10 PM

Thanks GUEST,guest for the information. I'm afraid I'll have to give a PEDANT ALERT though and ask if you meant:-
Jutland Cottage and a warehouse
            OR
Jutland Cottage and a whorehouse

Quack!
GtD.


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: GUEST,one who is not in the in crowd
Date: 03 May 07 - 06:04 AM

Do you still have to have a badge?


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: GUEST,The Station Inn Whitby!
Date: 03 May 07 - 06:30 AM

Thanks to all for all your opinions and nice comments, and thanks for the new thread - I am sure the name debate will be an interesting one!

Badge?? Everyone is welcome in our pub, folkies, goths, musicians of all types, young, old, locals and tourists, the more the merrier!

Although Andrew has worked here for a while, I have never experienced a Moor and Coast/Folk Week here before (except for working in the Shambles, different feel) so I am looking forward to meeting you all, and getting to know you. Just a couple of changes you might be interested in - we are open at 10am daily for drinks, and over Moor and Coast will be closing at 2am(Fri and Sat)!

Looking forward to meeting you all,

Colin.


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: GUEST
Date: 03 May 07 - 06:32 AM

Guest above - PLEASE don't start carping on about that old chestnut here. I'm bored with it on other similar threads, and I've never been in the old Tap side room in Folk Week either, which is what I presume you mean.


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: Wyrd Sister
Date: 03 May 07 - 06:34 AM

Sorry Colin, I meant Guest one-who-is-not-etc, and 'Guest' were I!


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 03 May 07 - 06:39 AM

oops warehouse but then you never know!


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 03 May 07 - 07:23 PM

Just checking, you understand!
We NEED to know these things.
Quack!
GtD.


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: GUEST,in York
Date: 04 May 07 - 05:36 PM

I'm off to the Moor and Coast festival tomorrow! but I can't figure out from google etc just where the festival office in the station inn is. From this thread it seems that the staion inn is opposite the train station--is that right/ And that's where the festival office is??
And is the concert on the grand turk really in a ship?! If anyone knows, I'd be very grateful for a reply (I figure e-mailing the organizers mid-fest isn't exactly practical..) Thanks. :)


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: Willa
Date: 04 May 07 - 06:14 PM

The Station Inn is (almost) opposite the station - easy to find.The festival office is usually in the room on the left as you enter the pub.

The grand Turk is indeed a ship, moored near to the station and the pub; a reconstruction of a sailing vessel; some other 'catter will give you a more detailed description. A grand venue for a session.


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: GUEST,in York
Date: 05 May 07 - 01:39 AM

Hey thanks so much!


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: GUEST
Date: 05 May 07 - 09:31 PM

I like the Station Inn!!!!


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: GUEST
Date: 06 May 07 - 09:21 AM


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 07 May 07 - 06:20 AM

Was in there Sat and Sunday mid day, what a fantastic place. It was very busy great atmosphere, frindly bar staff, good ale what more could I ask. To the new landlorsd "Keep up the good work"


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: Mo the caller
Date: 07 May 07 - 10:25 AM

Back in the 70's the old railway line to Sandsend was a delightful walk in May/June. All sorts of flowers. We tried it last year (along the beach W -S then back along the rwy, but got told off for being on the golf course.


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: GUEST
Date: 07 May 07 - 02:52 PM

We really enjoyed it here this weekend, i agree it is very friendly and the ale is very good


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: GUEST
Date: 07 May 07 - 03:53 PM


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: Carol
Date: 08 May 07 - 04:03 AM

Just to say had a great weekend based in the Railway - my only comment would be that the 'inmates', especially those with instruments could try to make some space for other people trying to get into the room i.e. sometimes it looks full when it isn't really.
Apart from that thanks to all the staff for a great weekend.


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: Mo the caller
Date: 08 May 07 - 04:08 AM

The problem of space in sessions (in general) is that often musicians have several big instruments, all with cases that take up more space.

Mo the recorder player!


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: Carol
Date: 08 May 07 - 04:57 AM

Sorry Mo I was talking about the singarounds with usually guitars, taking up the space where someone could sit.


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: GUEST,the one
Date: 08 May 07 - 06:27 AM

so was mo


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: Carol
Date: 08 May 07 - 07:21 AM

Sorry I thought Mo was talking about music sessions


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 May 07 - 09:50 AM

There is always a dilemma regarding cases, however if you consider that some of these instruments cost several thousand quid it understandable that the owners want nice solid cases to put them in.


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: GUEST,strummer
Date: 08 May 07 - 12:07 PM

rather a case occupying the space than yet another singer !
:-)


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: GUEST,deer stalker
Date: 08 May 07 - 12:57 PM

what a fantastic weekend ( moore and coast). made music with many friends, beer quality second to none, no less than 8 beers on hand pump and old rosie cider. this and nothing ran out ! well done collin & andrew.


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: GUEST,D
Date: 09 May 07 - 03:24 PM

A really enjoyable weekend was had by all, we certainly did. Who will be at folk week?


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: GUEST,in York
Date: 09 May 07 - 04:04 PM

I thought Moor & Coast was fantastic... By the way, thanks again to those on this list who told me where the Station Inn was...

The Grand Turk--what an amazing place for a concert ( not to mention the fact that all the singers and players were terrific)....I'll certainly be at Folk Week, in fact, one of my ulterior motives for going to the Moor & Coast fest was to find a cheaper B&B for August.

Unfortunately I'm still too much of a beginner to join in a tune session in a pub. Hey--could anyone suggest three old favourite tunes that get played in sessions that I could learn on the mandolin before August??


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: GUEST
Date: 12 May 07 - 09:28 AM

Looking forward to whitby folk week now, even more now we can go back into the station!!!!


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: GUEST,D
Date: 12 May 07 - 09:34 AM

Much more welcoming, i not the only one thinking this, has anyone seen their web page?


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: collierlad
Date: 12 May 07 - 05:24 PM

Station Inn Whitby Folk Photo Centre


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: GUEST,The Station Inn Whitby
Date: 30 Jul 07 - 10:59 AM

The Station Inn Whitby


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: Red and White Rabbit
Date: 31 Jul 07 - 11:29 AM

Looking forward to my first pint there since the name change and the new owners - might enjoy a sing too if my daughter will let me out!


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: GUEST,Old folkie
Date: 31 Jul 07 - 11:41 AM

Ah - you mean the Citty Sark.


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Subject: RE: Station Inn Whitby
From: GUEST,D
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 04:23 AM

No - The Station Inn! Is the station involved with folk week? There is nothing in the programme?


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