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BS: Popular Views on Obama

Bobert 11 Mar 10 - 07:41 AM
Little Hawk 10 Mar 10 - 10:58 PM
Sawzaw 10 Mar 10 - 10:07 PM
Bobert 10 Mar 10 - 09:17 PM
mousethief 10 Mar 10 - 08:39 PM
Little Hawk 10 Mar 10 - 03:05 PM
Sawzaw 10 Mar 10 - 02:48 PM
Bobert 10 Mar 10 - 12:40 PM
beardedbruce 10 Mar 10 - 12:28 PM
Greg F. 10 Mar 10 - 12:09 PM
Amos 10 Mar 10 - 09:57 AM
beardedbruce 10 Mar 10 - 09:35 AM
beardedbruce 10 Mar 10 - 09:31 AM
beardedbruce 10 Mar 10 - 09:26 AM
beardedbruce 10 Mar 10 - 09:23 AM
Amos 10 Mar 10 - 08:56 AM
beardedbruce 10 Mar 10 - 08:34 AM
Bobert 10 Mar 10 - 07:44 AM
beardedbruce 10 Mar 10 - 05:37 AM
Bobert 09 Mar 10 - 07:49 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Mar 10 - 07:41 AM

Yeah, Sawz... Rather than me got thru my litiny of things I hate maybe you can go back and reread it...

Ain't hate speech at all, son, but you wouldn't know hate speech if it bit you on yer as... No offense, mind you, but hate speech is all about hatin' someone for their race, national origin or sexual preference... Hey, that ain't me... Yeah, sho nuff alot of dumbass things that I hate (see list allready posted) but I don't hate people... I don't hate no-body...

Ya' see, son... I was brought up to "hate the sin but love the sinner".... Yup, that's the way my "Commie Mommie" (lol) brought me up... We both purdy string Christains, too, and Jesus ain't into hating folks but He sho nuff hated dumbass stuff that some folks do...

But you won't get this at all 'cuase it's like a square peg 'an you ain't got no round holes in yer thinkerator...

Gotta go...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 10:58 PM

This is a hoot. ;-) Better than old reruns of "All In The Family", that's for sure.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 10:07 PM

There ya go with the hate speech again Bobert.

What kind of gun should we buy to kill those self righteous, dumb, obese, divorced, crybaby, uncivilized r******s with when they try to climb over your wall Bobert? Are they the ones with the kids that go hungry at night? The ones that are below the poverty line?

Now if they was illegal aliens, you would be handin' out ladders and hugs and kisses when they made it over the wall. Here's your free medical care, welfare, child support, food stamps, education and let me know if you need anythin' else cause I'm here to serve my fellow man.

If they were convicted murderers on death row you would be wailing to save them from the death penalty.

If they were unborn fetuses you'd be sayin' hell with them, they ain't even human yet, just some kind of bug to be squashed so fire up the Roto Rooter.

If they were drug dealers, you would be sending business their way sayin' real men smoke pot.

If they were moonshiners selling poisioned goods, you would be advertizing for them. Sayin' that legal stuff they sell at the ABC store is crap. Who needs to pay taxes anyway? Real men drink 'shine.

Man, you got one big ass, serious anger management problem.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 09:17 PM

Me, too, mouser and that would mean sellin' my farm. leaving my gardens an all... But if the rednecks want out that bad then don't let the door hit ya'll on the way out... Ya'll allready have the highest divorce rates, the highest obesity rates, the highest health care costs, the dumbest people, the most per cpaital federal tax dollars returend to ya'll so ya'll becoming a drain on the rest of the country.... Yeah, if ya'll want out then fine with me... I rather live in an ara where people ain't brought up thinking that the government owed them everything while criticizing the hand that feeds 'um...

I mean, these people couldn't survive 30 days without the northweat and west coast paying in the bigass $$$s that in turn got dooled out to them... Bunch of ungratefull crybabies as far as I can see...

BTW, the US now is 18th in high school graduation rates in the top 24 industrialized countries... Come to where I live an' you'll understand in about 10 minutes... I mean, I never thought I'd see our country so dumbed down... I mean, eat up with stupidity and ignorance and the worst part about it is that the Repubs have lived at the "Elitist (eductaed) plate" for so long that there are entire regions that think that education is stupid????

Wait a minute... Education stupid????

See what I mean???

Yeah, let the loser states go... They will be like Haiti in 30 days... And build a bigass wall to keep them gone 'cause they gonna be doing everything they can to escape the Hell-hole once the federal $$$s quit coing their way... I mean, a BIGASS WALL!!! No, that ain't screaming... Just the size of the wall it's gonna take to keep a bunch of self righteuos rednecks outta civilized people's neighborhoods...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: mousethief
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 08:39 PM

I'm willing to let 'em go this time. Iowa for free.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 03:05 PM

You could just draw up lines around the country and have another civil war...

If you do, we Canadians promise not to get involved, eh? ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 02:48 PM

"the crap you buy at the government run ABC stores"

What percentage of people get lead poisoning from the booze bought from the ABC Store?

Where does the tax money on booze bought at the ABC Store go to?

Does it support social programs like feeding kids amongst other things?

I suppose you think ducking taxes is an honorable thing to do.

You must be a teabagger with that attitude.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 12:40 PM

Given all the outright SCREAMING in our faces that the left and moderates have had to put up with from the SCREAMING RIGHT I thought that Obama's response to Roberts was rather reserved...

I mean, lets get real... The right have become like mentally ill with their SCREAMING and then get highly and righteously indignant when they are criticised for their behavior... There is gonna come a time when the left has had just enough of this immature and borish behavior... But until then, ya'll just keep it up if it make's ya'll all warm and fuzzy...

Robert's and Alito both lied in the confirmation hearings... Both promised to respect precidence but are now Hell-bent on becoming the new US Congress!!! That's bullshit and their ain't enough protocol paint in the world to either cover it up or remove the stench...

I don't recall the righties here gettin' all huffy-puffy when Congressman Wilson tried to shout down the president when he was addressing a joint session on Congress... That, on top of the righteous indignation we are now hearing, is hypocrisy in spades...

Ya'll want some protocol??? Learn some friggin' manners and practice them... Ya'll mama's didn't raise ya'll to be borish crybabies...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 12:28 PM

Well, Greggie,

You seem to approve of it when liberals do it- are you claiming that liberals should operate under different rules than you wanted conservatives to live under???


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 12:09 PM

Care to justify the present attacks on those who do not agree with the president???

Jeezis, Brucie- take it up with Karl Rove, why dontcha?


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 09:57 AM

If free speech must needs yield to decorum, I am sure the SCOTUS will have no trouble putting the Phelps tribe in their place for desecrating a funeral with garrulous demonstrations. It will make for an interesting test of their even-handedness.

I object to the bald-faced assertions and generalities you post. Without specifics to support them they take on the air of frothing ill-mannered rants.

I don't think Obama misinterpreted the SCOTUS decision. The conflation of rights of speech as a basic human freedom and the rights of corporations to buy media exposure is disingenuous, whether in you or in the SCOTUS.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 09:35 AM

Amos,

Care to justify the present attacks on those who do not agree with the president??? I know that you are in full approval of giving payoffs to his supporters from your previous comments.




"And, of course, there has been an unprecedented willingness to ignore congressional rules -- from the failure to appoint a "conference committee" to negotiate differences between the House and Senate bills, to their current plans to use the reconciliation process to bypass a Republican filibuster.

Expect the tactics to get even dirtier now.

Those who support the president can expect favors. No sooner had Rep Jim Matheson (D-Utah) suggested that he might be willing to switch his vote and support the latest version of ObamaCare than his brother was nominated for a federal judgeship.

Alan Mollohan (D-W.Va.) is also on the undecided list. And, purely by coincidence no doubt, the Justice Department just announced that it is dropping an FBI investigation that has been swirling about the congressman. Gosh, if only Charlie Rangel were one of the undecideds.

Those who oppose the president can expect the political equivalent of a horse head between their sheets.

Some of this is just traditional electioneering: On-the-fence Arkansas Sen. Blanche Lincoln is getting a primary challenger with some backing from the national Democratic machine.

But some of it is much nastier. Massa's story may have credibility issues, but other opponents of the bill are also starting to feel the heat. For instance, Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.), whose opposition to abortion funding has become one of the bill's biggest hurdles, is now seeing attacks on his ethics.
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 09:31 AM

Amos,

If anything, thois is a further example that the Obama administration is leading the way in increasing division and attacks on opponanyts- contrary to Obama's campaign promises.

If you want to allow Obama to get away with what you criticised Bush for, you are stating that Obama is to be judged by different rules, and is somehow " special". Hardly fair, to him OR to the country.



"Responding to a University of Alabama law student's question, Roberts said anyone was free to criticize the court, and some have an obligation to do so because of their positions.

"So I have no problems with that," he said. "On the other hand, there is the issue of the setting, the circumstances and the decorum.

"The image of having the members of one branch of government standing up, literally surrounding the Supreme Court, cheering and hollering while the court according the requirements of protocol has to sit there expressionless, I think is very troubling."

Breaking from tradition, Obama criticized the court's decision that allows corporations and unions to freely spend money to run political ads for or against specific candidates."


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 09:26 AM

Final 'reform' push: twisting arms
By MICHAEL TANNER

Last Updated: 1:57 AM, March 10, 2010

Posted: 1:21 AM, March 10, 2010


President Obama's attempts to ram health- care reform through an increasingly reluctant Congress are starting to resemble a really eventful episode of "The Sopranos."

Whether or not you believe former Rep. Eric Massa's bizarre accusations of locker-room confrontations and conspiracies to drive him from office, there is no doubt that the Obama administration and its congressional allies are willing to use every trick in the book to get this bill passed.

They've already bought votes with pork and special deals -- the "Louisiana purchase" ($300 million to bolster that state's Medicaid program, which swayed Sen. Mary Landrieu); the "Cornhusker kickback" ($100 million to Medicaid there, sweetening the pot for Sen. Ben Nelson), and Florida's "Gator Aid" (a Medicare deal potentially worth $5 billion, a hefty price for Sen. Bill Nelson's vote). Plus the millions for Connecticut hospitals, Montana asbestos abatement and so on.

Nor were the Obamans willing to let a little thing like election laws stand in the way. They rewrote Massachusetts law to allow for an appointed senator to hold office for several months, hoping to get the bill through before the special election that Scott Brown ultimately won. Their plans spoiled, they even considered holding up Brown's seating to let the appointed senator continue to vote on health care -- until public outrage forced them to back down.

And, of course, there has been an unprecedented willingness to ignore congressional rules -- from the failure to appoint a "conference committee" to negotiate differences between the House and Senate bills, to their current plans to use the reconciliation process to bypass a Republican filibuster.

Expect the tactics to get even dirtier now.

Those who support the president can expect favors. No sooner had Rep Jim Matheson (D-Utah) suggested that he might be willing to switch his vote and support the latest version of ObamaCare than his brother was nominated for a federal judgeship.

Alan Mollohan (D-W.Va.) is also on the undecided list. And, purely by coincidence no doubt, the Justice Department just announced that it is dropping an FBI investigation that has been swirling about the congressman. Gosh, if only Charlie Rangel were one of the undecideds.

Those who oppose the president can expect the political equivalent of a horse head between their sheets.

Some of this is just traditional electioneering: On-the-fence Arkansas Sen. Blanche Lincoln is getting a primary challenger with some backing from the national Democratic machine.

But some of it is much nastier. Massa's story may have credibility issues, but other opponents of the bill are also starting to feel the heat. For instance, Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.), whose opposition to abortion funding has become one of the bill's biggest hurdles, is now seeing attacks on his ethics.

MSNBC host Rachel Maddow recently questioned the legality of the low rent that a conservative Christian group charges Stupak for his DC apartment. She even noted ominously that disgraced South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford stayed at the same building. The liberal blog Daily Kos has picked up on the charges and suggested that both the IRS and the House Ethics Committee investigate.

"Politics ain't beanbag," as Mr. Dooley noted. Presidents have always twisted arms and made deals. And when two-thirds of voters are opposed to your plans, you may have no choice but to play hardball.

But when Obama promised to change the way Washington does business, we didn't think he meant making it a "family" business.



Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/final_reform_push_0pwRMzHMNshlHQZg8LWmcJ#ixzz0hmfPZoKl


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 09:23 AM

You miss the point. Amos. The president looked bad when he dissed the SCOTUS when they could not, by protocol, respond. THAT is not the same as abridging Obama's right to be an asshole, and misinterpret the decision- which he has NO excuse for, given his background.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 08:56 AM

Oh horsepucky, Bruce. The Constitution does not abridge anyone's right to voice an opinion. And the SCOTUS will have to take the stink of their own excreta, I'm afraid.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 08:34 AM

"Think it's about time that someone stood up to these arrogant thugs...'

I agree- it is GOOD to see Roberts calling out Obama for his inappropriate comments. The SCOTU is an EQUAL branch to the Executive, and Obama's choice of venues was a deliberate attack.

NOT that Obama should not make his comments, but Obama's choice of the SOTU, where the Justices are prohibited by protocol from responding, and Obama's mis-charectorization of the decision are not what ** I ** would expect of someone with the constitutional scholarship that Obama has claimed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 07:44 AM

Well, yeah, Roberts would think that Obama's criticism of the court's decision to allow corpoartions unlimted access to media buys troubling...

The problem with Roberts is that he lied during his confirmation hearing in saying he would repsect precidence and not legislate from the bench... Judical activism is judicial activism no matter how one looks at it and now that he has been called to the carpet on it he doesn't much like it...

Tough!!!

If he's gonna run the court like it is the most powerful barnch of governement he's gonna get some push back, not only from the executive branch but also the legislative branch which is allready at work trying to fix the damage that Roberts and his other 4 idealogues have created...

Think it's about time that someone stood up to these arrogant thugs...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 05:37 AM

Roberts: Scene at State of Union `very troubling'
By JAY REEVES (AP) 11 hours ago

TUSCALOOSA, Ala. U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts said Tuesday the scene at President Obama's State of the Union address was "very troubling" and the annual speech has "degenerated to a political pep rally."

Obama chided the court, with the justices seated before him in their black robes, for its decision on a campaign finance case.

Responding to a University of Alabama law student's question, Roberts said anyone was free to criticize the court, and some have an obligation to do so because of their positions.

"So I have no problems with that," he said. "On the other hand, there is the issue of the setting, the circumstances and the decorum.

"The image of having the members of one branch of government standing up, literally surrounding the Supreme Court, cheering and hollering while the court according the requirements of protocol has to sit there expressionless, I think is very troubling."

Breaking from tradition, Obama criticized the court's decision that allows corporations and unions to freely spend money to run political ads for or against specific candidates.

"With all due deference to the separation of powers the Supreme Court reversed a century of law to open the floodgates for special interests including foreign corporations to spend without limit in our elections," Obama said in January.

Justice Samuel Alito was the only justice to respond at the time, shaking his head and mouthing the words "not true" as Obama continued.

Roberts told the students he wonders whether justices should attend the speeches.

"I'm not sure why we're there," said Roberts, a Republican nominee who joined the court in 2005.

Justice Antonin Scalia once said he no longer goes to the annual speech because the justices "sit there like bumps on a log" in an otherwise highly partisan atmosphere. Six of the nine justices attended Obama's address.

Roberts opened his appearance in Alabama with a 30-minute lecture on the history of the Supreme Court and became animated as he answered students' questions. He joked about a recent rumor that he was stepping down from the court and said he didn't know he wanted to be a lawyer until he was in law school.

Asked about the Senate's method of confirming new justices, Roberts said senators improperly try to make political points by asking questions they know nominees can't answer because of the limitations of judicial ethic rules.

"I think the process is broken down," said Roberts.

While Associate Justice Clarence Thomas told students at Alabama last fall he saw little value in oral arguments before the court, Roberts disagreed.

"Maybe it's because I participated in it a lot as a lawyer," Roberts said. "I'd hate to think it didn't matter."


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 07:49 AM

Well, the problem with signaling out moonshine as doing this or that leaves out two factors: First, what does the crap you buy at the government run ABC stores do to ya and second, how much ya' drenkin', son??? Sure nuff, if you are a heavy drenker than na matter what you drenk you is gonna have problems...

As for the Dems??? Hey, Bill Clinton once said it's a matter of who has the microphone and it used to be the party in power had it... No more... The ritghties, with gobs of corporate backing from the drug and insurance comapanies, along with FOX are out-shouting the Dems 10 to 1 in terms of media time... That's what this is all about... Not Obama, as Dan Rather would have us believe...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 06:23 AM

Dan Rather: 'Articulate' Obama Couldn't Even 'Sell Watermelons'
By Geoffrey Dickens (Bio | Archive)
Mon, 03/08/2010 - 14:41 ET   

HDNet's Dan Rather stepped on one mine after another in the racial minefield that exists when talking about the nation's first black President as the former CBS anchor, on the syndicated Chris Matthews Show over the weekend, uttered the following take on the President's ability to get health care passed and how the GOP and independents would view it. [audio available here]

DAN RATHER: Part of the undertow in the coming election is going to be President Obama's leadership. And the Republicans will make a case and a lot of independents will buy this argument. "Listen he just hasn't been, look at the health care bill. It was his number one priority. It took him forever to get it through and he had to compromise it to death." And a version of, "Listen he's a nice person, he's very articulate" this is what's been used against him, "but he couldn't sell watermelons if it, you gave him the state troopers to flag down the traffic."

While Rather may not have been being intentionally racist one has to wonder what the reaction would be if a conservative had used similiar language on the show.



Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/geoffrey-dickens/2010/03/08/dan-rather-articulate-obama-couldnt-even-sell-watermelons#ixzz0hg51S6SH


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 06:22 AM

Poll shows Obama, Dems losing ground Rate this story

By Joseph Curl

A majority of Americans say the United States is less respected in the world than it was two years ago and think President Obama and other Democrats fall short of Republicans on the issue of national security, a new poll finds.

The Democracy Corps-Third Way survey released Monday finds that by a 10-point margin -- 51 percent to 41 percent -- Americans think the standing of the U.S. dropped during the first 13 months of Mr. Obama's presidency.

"This is surprising, given the global acclaim and Nobel peace prize that flowed to the new president after he took office," said pollsters for the liberal-leaning organizations.

On the national security front, a massive gap has emerged, with 50 percent of likely voters saying Republicans would likely do a better job than Democrats, a 14-point swing since May. Thirty-three percent favored Democrats.

"The erosion since May is especially strong among women, and among independents, who now favor Republicans on this question by a 56 to 20 percent margin," the pollsters said in their findings.

A May 2009 survey by the pollsters found the public saw the Democratic and Republican parties as equally able to handle national security (41 percent trusted Democrats more, and 43 percent trusted Republicans more.) On conducting the war on terrorism, the two parties were tied at 41 percent.

The Democrats' gap on national security has widened on several other fronts:

"Keeping America safe": Democrats now trail by 13 points (34 percent to 47 percent.) The gap was just 5 points in July 2008.

"Ensuring a strong military": Democrats trail by 31 points (27 percent to 58 percent.)

"Making America safer from nuclear threats": Democrats trail by 11 points (34 percent to 45 percent,) "despite the president's strong actions and speeches on steps to reduce nuclear dangers," the pollsters said.

The poll, conducted late last month, found "the administration's response to the Christmas Day terrorist attempt has contributed to the erosion."

"While public polling showed that initial approval of Obama's response was above 50 percent, two months of Republican criticism have taken a toll. Now a narrow 46 to 42 percent plurality of likely voters say they feel less confident about the administration's handling of national security because of how it responded to the incident," the pollsters said.

In addition, the detention of terrorist suspects and the Obama proposal to prosecute suspects in civil trials in New York City, which was later abandoned, also have taken a toll on the president's approval ratings.

"Whereas a majority of the public approves of the job President Obama is doing in most aspects of national security, a 51 to 44 percent majority of likely voters disapproves of his efforts on the prosecution and interrogation of terrorism suspects," the pollsters found.

Democracy Corps calls itself an independent, non-profit organization dedicated to making the government of the United States more responsive to the American people." It was founded in 1999 by former Clinton adviser James Carville and Stanley Greenberg, a leading Democratic pollster.

Third Way calls itself "the leading moderate think-tank of the progressive movement."

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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 12:20 AM

DEAR GAWD, SAWZ!! Whatever are you DOING? You keep this up we'll have another stab at Progihibitioning. There's virtue for you.

Life is lethal, 's a fack. Best you can do is seek to spread little tolerance and lighten the load a bit. This will require a sharp rotation on your part, but hell, I figger yer overdue for some of that anyway...


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 11:52 PM

Elevated blood lead levels in urban moonshine drinkers

Of 49 patients reporting consumption of moonshine within the past 5 years, 25 (51%) of 49 had elevated blood lead levels (>15 μg/dL), with 15 (31%) of 49 having extremely elevated blood lead levels (>50 μg/dL). Recent moonshine consumption (within the past month) was reported by 38 (78%) of 49 patients. Of these 38 recent consumers, 23 (61%) had elevated lead levels compared with only 2 (18%) of 11 of those reporting more remote consumption (risk difference 42%; 95% confidence interval 15% to 70%).

Conclusion: A high percentage of patients who reported moonshine consumption had elevated blood lead levels.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 10:25 PM

They's jest good 'ol boys, never meanin no harm.
Just duckin' taxes like any red blooded American scofflaw.

In 1952, the Internal Revenue Service consolidated the internal enforcement responsibilities of alcohol and tobacco under one unit, which became known as the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax Division.

Pursuing illegal liquor operations proved to be hazardous work. From 1934 through the 1960s, 17 investigators were killed and hundreds injured in hostile actions ranging from gunfire, to assault by violators, to high-speed automobile chases.

Moonshiners posed their own set of challenges. These small, independent distillers operated outside syndicate groups and supplied whiskey to primarily local populations. The 1950s Preventative Raw Materials Program allowed agents to arrest moonshiners for possession of large quantities of sugar. A parallel campaign urged merchants to deny bulk sugar supplies to suspicious persons.

Moonshine's poisonous punch is reflected in its nicknames: white lightning, head-buster and popskull. A Georgia ATF agent observed that illicit producers sometimes add manure to make moonshine ferment faster, and we've found dead possums, rats, and vermin floating in mash vats. Moonshine related deaths became a nationwide health issue in the 1960s, prompting a government-funded public service announcement campaign.

One hundred and fifteen suspected moonshine samples seized by local law enforcement between 1995 and 2001 were voluntarily submitted to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms' National Laboratory for lead analysis using flameless atomic absorption spectrophometry. Samples originated from 9 states: 5 southeastern states, Missouri, Ohio, Wisconsin and West Virginia. Lead levels ranged between 0.0 μg/dL and 53,200 μg/dL (median 44.0 μg/dL). Median percent alcohol by volume was 44.75% (range 3.85-65.80%). Thirty-three samples (28.7%) contained lead levels > 300 μg/dL, the limit designated potentially hazardous by the FDA. Percent alcohol by volume did not predict lead content. Consuming lL/d of moonshine contaminated with 400 μg/dL of lead would result in a blood lead level of approximately 25 μg/dL. At a high level of consumption, 25% of the samples could produce blood lead levels > 25 μg/dL. Moonshine production and consumption is an under-appreciated toxicologic and public health concern and is not restricted to the southeastern US.

    Even exposure to amounts of lead too low to cause symptoms in the short term may increase the risk of high blood pressure and mental decline in the future. Symptoms in adults may include:

    * Pain, numbness or tingling of the extremities
    * Muscular weakness
    * Headache
    * Abdominal pain
    * Fatigue
    * Irritability
    * Unexplained changes in mood or personality
    * Changes in sleep patterns
    * Inability to concentrate
    * Memory loss
    * Mood disorders


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 09:42 PM

Guns, bombs, body armor, pot, all the essential things a jailbird could desire.

A 49-year-old Farwell man accused of having a homemade bomb was charged Monday in 80th District Court in Harrison.


Mark Edward Connelly was charged with felon in possession of a firearm, felon in possession of body armor and possession of an explosive without a permit, Clare County Sheriff John Wilson said.

Connelly has a felony record dating back to 1989, according to the Michigan Department of Corrections. He has previous convictions on weapons charges and felony charges of resisting and obstruction a police officer.

The Farwell man was arrested Saturday after police were called to his home in the White Birch subdivision.

Clare County Sheriff's officers were called to the subdivision at 3:12 p.m. to investigate a suspicious situation, Sheriff John Wilson said.

Police seized multiple marijuana plants and several firearms, Wilson said.

They also found a homemade explosive device, he said. Deputies called in the Michigan State Police Bomb Squad from Lansing to dispose of the explosive device, Wilson said.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 09:28 PM

I'd take Alfred E. Newman over Bill Clinton... What a weizel Clinton is and was... He di one right thing and alot of wrong things... He got the tax increases right but had to have Alan Greenspan explain it to him over and over and I'm not sure that Willie ever really got it but, hey, he get's credit for that...

"Don't ask, Don't tell" was Slick Willies slap at gays...

"Welfare reform" wasn't reform at all... It was Boss Hog throwin' poor people out in the cold and added to the poverty rate...

The Bosnian War was uncalled for...

Clinton played games with the Isreali/Palestinian situation with the end game being that he'd look like he was tryin' to do somethin' but that's all he wanted, you know, to look like he was doing something... Better than Bush but still a D- in my book...

And then there was Monika... Like what was that about???

So ya'll get all warm and fuzzy thinkin' how nice it would be to have Clinton back... Sheeet fire, I'll take Ike... I'd definately take Jimmy Carter, who IMHO, was the best president we have had since FDR... Not all that good with dirty tricks but overall, the best...

But forget Clinton... What a bozo... Heck, his nose is even big and red, just like Bozo...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 09:15 PM

He couldn't sell watermelons on the highway if you gave him if you gave him a State Trooper to flag down traffic

This is particularly ironic and amusing because of Rathergate.

Dan Rather on the Chris Matthews Show:

"When you talk about a triumph though, part of the undertow in the coming election is going to be President Obama's leadership and the Republicans are making a case, a lot of independents will buy this argument, listen he just hasn't been...look at the health care bill, it was his number one priority, it took him forever to get it through and he had to compromise it to death and a version of ...listen, he's a nice person, he's very articulate, this was going to be used against him. But He couldn't sell watermelons on the highway if you gave him if you gave him a State Trooper to flag down traffic..."


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 07:57 PM

Bill Clinton Bests Former Presidents to Handle Crisis Today, Newsmax/Zogby Poll Finds

By: Jim Meyers

If Americans could have a former living U.S. president run the country and deal with the problems facing the nation today, they would pick Bill Clinton by a wide margin, a Newsmax/Zogby poll reveals.

Former President Jimmy Carter came in last, garnering just 5 percent of support for his taking charge.

The exclusive Newsmax/Zogby poll also found that, if an election took place today between Barack Obama and George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton, Obama would beat both handily.

The Newsmax/Zogby poll asked respondents: Of the current living former presidents, which do you think is best equipped to deal with the problems the country faces today?

Bill Clinton got 41 percent of the vote, trouncing the others in the field of four. George W. Bush received just 15 percent, George H.W. Bush got 7 percent, and Jimmy Carter, just 5 percent. (Only 7 percent of Democrats surveyed opted for Carter.) But 26 percent chose none, and 5 percent were not sure (figures are rounded).

Clinton finished first among Democrats with a solid 69 percent, and among independents (40 percent). George W. Bush far outpaced Clinton among Republicans, 37 percent to 8 percent, although 33 percent of Republicans chose none.

Clinton also finished first among all age groups, all races, all religions, and both sexes, with a stronger showing among women (46 percent) than men (36 percent).

Pollster John Zogby said: Bill Clinton is an interesting choice among living former presidents because arguably he is the only one listed who did not face a huge national crisis. The Clinton years were dominated by peace and prosperity unlike the Carter, George H.W. and George W. Bush years and that is certainly part of the charm.

But Clinton maintains the reputation of being the smartest guy in the room and exudes that kind of confidence. He was re-elected and had significant crossover support in 1996 and Americans appreciate his post-presidency as well.

When all living presidents, including Obama, were listed as choices, Obama despite his current low approval ratings finished first with 29 percent of the vote, followed by Clinton with a strong second (19 percent), George W. Bush (18 percent), George H.W. Bush (8 percent), and Carter (2 percent). "...(NewsMax)


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 06:56 PM

Seems to me that the Taliban are the rednecks of their particular neck of the woods, so to speak. Archconservatives and God-fearing right-to-lifers, all of them! The only problem is they're on the other side of the front line. ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 05:46 PM

Pot ain't what it used to be, Sawz... Yeah, I'm an ol' hippie so I likes my toke now and then... But most of the pot, at least in the South, is being smoked by good ol' corn-fed rednecks... That's why I grow my own so I don't have to get it from rednecks... Now ol' hillbillys is a different story... They ain't rednecks... They drenk their shine and they couldn't care less about no Cragers. er dumbass rebel flags...

(Oh, Boberdz... That's sounds like hate speech...)

Bullshit... That's just reality in the rural South... If anyone don't believe me then bring yer butt on down fir a tour... A couple hours standing arounf Valley Exxon in the morning's 'ill eran ya'lls a PHD in both redneck and hillbilly...

As for the Taliban??? Kinda rednecky... Not too hillbillyish, tho... Reckon it'd be that moonshine that'd turn them off...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 12:51 PM

I agree, Sawz. You should go to Canada for a spell, unwind, enjoy the SPring in the north. Yer frying yer circuits around here arguing with us dyed-in-the-wool liberals, man, it'll shorten your life if you don't let up and give yourself a break.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 12:02 PM

What the heck are you talking about??? Have you lost your bearings, man? Look, come up to Canada...relax for a bit...calm down. ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 02:00 AM

Bobert is the one telling people to buy guns, talking the hate speech and making the racist remarks.

The lefties are the ones shooting up the place, them and the dope dealers.

Ever watch the TV show Cops? They see car weaving around on the road so they make a traffic stop.

Lo and behold there's are hand guns in the car, pot, a pipe, some crack or meth, a wad of cash. Out on bail or parole. Obama supporters. Do you think they would vote Republican?

You have fallen prey the Astroturf Anti Tea Bag campaign buy professional DC lobbyists paid for by union donations.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 01:58 AM

The leftists in Afghanistan are, and always have been, the Northern Alliance warlords who are presently working cooperatively with Karzai and the Americans and fighting against the Taliban and the Pashutuns in the South...who are anything but leftists! Russia's old leftist allies in Afghanistan are the same people who are now allied with the Americans.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 08:25 PM

Actually, seems like the terorists may very well be in the process of winning, Sawz...

Look at the intolerance and violence being preached by the right wing in this country... This is exactly what the Taliban does... What, are you confused enough to think of the Taliban as being leftists??? If so, you need to spend more time reading up on what they believe and what they are willing to do to impose thier beliefs on the general population... Not all that unlike what I have seen from your side right here in the "land of the free"...

Land of the free, my butt!!! Land of the the loudest and most bullying... Ain't nothin' free about that at all... This is right outta the Taliban playbook...

As for my assessment on "The Surge"??? That's what it was... It wasn't this bullshit that the ignorant Tea Party people think it was but, hey, they are so barinwashed that I'd bet that 80% of them still think that Saddam was hooked up with al qeada... Okay, maybe 90%... Shoot, Sawz, I ain't too sure that you don't believe that... I donno...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 01:01 PM

The easiest way to get Sunni commanders to stop their people fighting you is pay them off! And that's what was done. You have to keep paying them off, of course, which is expensive, but it might be less expensive on the whole than fighting them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 02:04 AM

Keep on 'splain' it away Bobert.

We lost. The terrorists won just like you said.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 12:43 PM

Biden was right about "the surge" if "the surge" just meant more tropps... It wasn't at all about more tropps but a combination of tactics (embedding tropps in neighborhoods) and strategy (paying Sunis not to kill US)... That's the problem here that gets overlooked... But I understand why it get's overlooked because it's not as easy and simple (think simple minds here) to sell to Joe Sixpack... Yeah, ol' Joe Sixpack to this very day thinks "the surge" was about troop levels??? But there's a reason for this... It's the name: ****The Surge****.... Yeah the name was put together to mislead... The Bush people wnated something that appealed to Joe Sixpack... The term ***blitz*** was too footballish so they used focus groups and tried various names out and "The Surge" won out...

More troops would not have achieved any more positive goals then in times befofre when troop levels were increased... But this part of history somehow gets ignored... Why??? Becuase the Repubs have controlled that narrative... Doesn't change the facts about the components of the new strategy that worked... It wasn't at all about more troops... That's just the convient ***Big Lie***... Military scientists and historians understand what worked and why it worked...

And Joe Biden, for the record, hasn't taken the time amke the argument correctly.... He knows the components of "The Surge" but there are too many other things on his and Obama's plate to get bogged down in a converstaion where 90% are so brainwashed that even if you pointed out what "The Surge" was all about would argue with you... It was sold heavily, just like alll the reasons for going into Iraq... A year later, even after it was determined that Iraq had no WMDs, you still had over 50% believing that Iraq had WMDs... That's how brainwashing goes... It awfully hard to get folks to change their thinkin' once they have made up their minds, regarless of facts and the truth...

And in the words of Walter Cronkite; "That's the way it is..."

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 12:34 PM

I gather, though, that you are in favor of Obama's "surge" in Afghanistan?

Remember this: partisan politics determines that prior to an election one criticizes everything that the other party is doing. That's probably why Obama didn't support the Iraq surge. Just standard partisan politics playing itself out at the time. If it had been an Obama administration, he'd have been all for it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 12:24 PM

"It's easy being vice president you don't have to do anything."

"I've been calling for more troops for over two years, along with John McCain and others subsequent to my saying that"

"The surge isn't going to work either tactically or strategically"

"My impression is Obama thinks that if we leave, somehow the Iraqis are going to have an epiphany of peaceful coexistence among warring sects. I've seen zero evidence of that."


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 23 Mar 09 - 11:45 PM

Bonuses for Freddie and Fannie Fat Cats

Fannie Mae reported a loss of $58.7 billion for 2008 and has requested another $15.2 billion from the U.S. Treasury. Freddie Mac reported a loss of $50.1 billion for 2008, and has requested an additional $30.8 billion from the U.S. Treasury.

According to a report in USA Today, "In securities filings, Freddie said it will pay a retention award of $1.5 million to Executive Vice President Michael Perlman by March 2010. Perlman, whose base salary is $500,000, already collected $300,000 of his bonus. Interim CFO David Kellermann will get an $850,000 bonus, and Senior Vice President Michael May will get $700,000."

Top Two Recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Campaign Contributions:

Christopher Dodd.....$165,400         
Barack Obama.........$126,349

Top Two Recipients of AIG Campaign Contributions:
Senate        Obama, Barack        $104,332
Senate        Dodd, Chris        $103,900


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 22 Mar 09 - 12:44 AM

Joe the Fumbler:

"give me a fucking break"


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 21 Mar 09 - 12:31 PM

It should probably pointed out, to dispel some of the FUD being generated by some extremists, that President's first budget has been presented to Congress.

He spoke about the principles behind the budget in his weekly address. (BTW, does anyone know why Bush never did weekly addresses?)

Anyway, among other things he made these points:

"Finally, this budget must reduce that deficit even further. With the fiscal mess we've inherited and the cost of this financial crisis, I've proposed a budget that cuts our deficit in half by the end of my first term. That's why we are scouring every corner of the budget and have proposed $2 trillion in deficit reductions over the next decade.

In total, our budget would bring discretionary spending for domestic programs as a share of the economy to its lowest level in nearly half a century. And we will continue making these tough choices in the months and years ahead so that as our economy recovers, we do what we must to bring this deficit down.

I will be discussing each of these principles next week, as Congress takes up the important work of debating this budget. I realize there are those who say these plans are too ambitious to enact. To that I say that the challenges we face are too large to ignore. I didn't come here to pass on our problems to the next President or the next generation - I came here to solve them.

The American people sent us here to get things done, and at this moment of great challenge, they are watching and waiting for us to lead. Let's show them that we are equal to the task before us, and let's pass a budget that puts this nation on the road to lasting prosperity."




I think this guy is way cool.



A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 17 Mar 09 - 11:55 PM

"Recent public opinion polls show continuing faith in President Barack Obama, despite a daily drumbeat of bad economic news. But political experts warn that the public will not remain patient forever.

Americans cannot get away from the bad economic news - whether it's on television, the Internet or radio.

It is a daily barrage of people losing their jobs.

"All of a sudden one day, they walked in [and] said, 'Come on down here, gave us our blue packet.' And we got about two months severance pay, and that was it," said a woman.

And in other cases, people losing their homes.

"The only thing I need right now is to get an apartment," said a man. "Get a place of my own where I have my own keys and everything. That way, I can call it home."

Responding to this daily drumbeat is a new president about to enter his third month in office.

"The American people sent us here to get things done," said Mr Obama. "And at this moment of enormous challenge, they are watching and waiting for us to lead."

Recent public opinion polls show President Barack Obama with a positive approval rating of between 59 and 65 percent.

CBS News survey director Sarah Dutton says most people believe it will take a while to turn the U.S. economy around.

"Fifty percent of Americans say that it will take President Obama one or two years to fix the economy," she said. "Another third say it is going to take three years or even longer."
..." (Voice of America News)


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 06:42 PM

Kindly said, Rig.



A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 06:17 PM

It's sad, even for a non-supporter!


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: John O'L
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 05:43 PM

I don't mean to be insensitive, but does it strike anyone else that this is just too bizaare for words?


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 05:37 PM

CHARLOTTE, N.C. - The day before the presidential election, Sen. Barack Obama's grandmother, a woman he called "Toot" and someone who helped raised him, has died.

Obama's campaign reported the death of Madelyn Dunham, 86, this afternoon as he and the media traveling with him landed here for the second of two campaign rallies he has scheduled today.

Aides said the Democratic nominee learned of her death about 8 a.m. Eastern time and that she passed at her home in Honolulu between 4 a.m. and 5 a.m. Eastern time.

Obama's grandmother, who had been gravely ill, was a rock of stability, giving him the American roots that would ground his teenage years as well as his career in politics....(CNN)


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 03 Nov 08 - 05:23 PM

Obama surges ahead as US prepares to vote
By Leonard Doyle in Washington
Monday, 3 November 2008



Barack Obama is entering the home stretch of the race for the White House with an aggressive foray into traditionally Republican states, a sure indication that his campaign is in far better shape than the doomed efforts of his Democratic predecessors.

Senator Obama's final sprint took him from Colorado and Nevada on to the industrial battleground of Ohio, where the latest Mason Dixon poll shows him leading by47 per cent to 44. Accompanied by Bruce Springsteen, Mr Obama was making a final pitch to white blue-collar voters who make up 45 per cent of the electorate. Ohio is also a make-or-break state for John McCain, since no Republican has won the White House without capturing it.

In Ohio, Mr Obama chided his opponent in a television ad that mocked the Republican's endorsement by the deeply unpopular Vice-President Dick Cheney. "I'm delighted to support John McCain," Mr Cheney said in his home state of Wyoming before praising the vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin. In the Obama ad, the announcer says: "That's not the change we need." Today, Mr Obama begins a final dash for votes in the delegate-rich state of Florida. He then heads to the Republican bastion of North Carolina and intends to bring his epic campaign to a close with a late-night rally close to the Civil War battlefield of Manassas in Northern Virginia.

Mr Obama's confidence seems to be well justified by the polls. The latest Washington Post/ABC national tracking poll gave him a 9 percentage-point lead over John McCain. He is far ahead in enough states to capture more than the 270 electoral votes that he needs to win. In the Senate, Democrats are within reach of winning 60 seats for a filibuster-proof majority and in Congress they could double their 2006 wins to have the largest majority since 1990. In the dying hours of the campaign, Mr McCain has only one viable path to victory left. He needs to hold on to every battleground state and pick off a delegate-rich Democratic state such as Pennsylvania as well. However, the polls put his opponent so comfortably ahead there, that Mr Obama is not even bothering to campaign in person in the final countdown.

Another tactic the Republican side is employing is to warn wavering voters that a victory by Mr Obama will give Democrats unfettered control of the White House and Congress. They will use it to raise taxes, expand the government and fly the flag of surrender in the war on terror, at a time of crisis.


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