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BS: Auras and Chanting

Mickey191 12 Apr 07 - 01:18 AM
Amos 12 Apr 07 - 01:24 AM
Joe Offer 12 Apr 07 - 04:19 AM
*daylia* 12 Apr 07 - 07:04 AM
3refs 12 Apr 07 - 07:34 AM
Amos 12 Apr 07 - 09:34 AM
katlaughing 12 Apr 07 - 09:35 AM
Jean(eanjay) 12 Apr 07 - 09:44 AM
bobad 12 Apr 07 - 10:24 AM
Bee 12 Apr 07 - 11:27 AM
Mickey191 12 Apr 07 - 11:45 AM
Alice 12 Apr 07 - 11:58 AM
Alice 12 Apr 07 - 12:06 PM
Little Hawk 12 Apr 07 - 01:14 PM
Amos 12 Apr 07 - 01:28 PM
katlaughing 12 Apr 07 - 01:36 PM
beardedbruce 12 Apr 07 - 01:50 PM
Partridge 12 Apr 07 - 02:01 PM
frogprince 12 Apr 07 - 02:11 PM
Ebbie 12 Apr 07 - 02:15 PM
Don Firth 12 Apr 07 - 02:55 PM
Little Hawk 12 Apr 07 - 04:49 PM
katlaughing 12 Apr 07 - 05:39 PM
dianavan 12 Apr 07 - 05:59 PM
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Subject: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: Mickey191
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 01:18 AM

Been going to Female Chiropractor on & off for 3 yrs. Last year she straightened me out when an orthopedist & a hospital failed. So I know she has abilities. After 10 months feeling fine-my problem came back. Went to her-in my 3rd wk. of treatment she started speaking quietly as she started adjust. I asked are you chanting or praying?

Chanting was the answer. As I'm ready to leave--she volunteered that in my aura- were two men. She said they always accompany me.

Anyone have thoughts on this subject?


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: Amos
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 01:24 AM

I would ask them to find their own bodies and leave mine to me. Unless you enjoy the company. Or, it is possible these two men were just her projection or wishful thinking, too. So I guess you need to sort it out for yourself. All I know is there's a significant degree of danger in taking on board the psychic judgements of others, as it can induce you to put things in place, in a spirit of cooperationn, that are not true for you but are just suggestions provided from others. THis isn't always bad, as the placebo effect shows, but it can get very messy and spinny if not recognized. My two cents, FWIW.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 04:19 AM

I've been married to a female chiropractor for five years, and she does all that what I call woo-woo stuff. Somehow, it does seem to have a very good effect on an awful lot of people, so who am I to argue with success?

Still, I don't really believe in it. She was checking out pills with her pendulum this evening, and I decided I'd better not comment.
I went to a great house concert a couple weeks ago - Mark Graham, who wrote I Can See Your Aura, And It's Ugly. My wife loves that song. I think if you can find a woo-woo woman who can laugh at herself, that's a good combination.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: *daylia*
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 07:04 AM

If my chiropractor started telling me about my aura during a treatment, I'd be changing chiropractors. I go to the chiropractor to treat my physical body, not for psychic readings. Prayers are most welcome anytime, by me, but unsolicited psychic 'snooping' is disrespectful and invasive.

At any rate, if you're concerned about it you might want to ask her what the men in your aura look like. If they glow with warm golden light and have wings, you're in good company. Dark and cold with glowing red eyes, horns and a tail, better look out! And even if they have wings, or (alternatively) pitchforks, or nothing out of the ordinary whatsoever if you don't want them cuddling up to you so close all the time, just tell them to leave. And hopefully, they will!   IF they're stubborn you'll need to call in the Big Guns, but that's a subject for another thread so ... take care now, and all the best, Mickey!


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: 3refs
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 07:34 AM

If one was to watch "What The Bleep Do We Know?" I would suggest that that ya might just have a different perspective on physical healing and the mind.
This movie had such a impact on me that the phrase "Oh, it was just a thought!" has a whole new meaning!


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: Amos
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 09:34 AM

...Daylia's approach is interesting, but let me point out that asking the chiropractor what your aura-companions look like implies you have already gone into agreement with their being there. This is a choice you must make consciously, not something you should take on board just to be cooperative.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 09:35 AM

I've never heard of an aura described as having other people in it. Generally, it is a nimbus around one which can be different colours. IF there are two men, I would refer to them as "spirit guides" or some other way other than "aura."

Nothing wrong with it, as long as they are not her projection, as Amos pointed out, or as long as they are not negative. I know of a friend who has three women who are her "protectors."

Reiki practioners regularly *read* people's auras during treatment.

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 09:44 AM

I've always thought of them as spirit guides. My great great aunty was a spiritualist and she talked about spirit guides. It's something I quite like the idea of and at times I have felt that I must have something helping me along but I've never had any indication as to what or who it might be.


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: bobad
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 10:24 AM

"Kiss my aura...dora...
M-m-m...its real angora
Would yall like some more-a?
Right here on the flora?
An how bout you, fauna?
Ywanna?"

Gospel of Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: Bee
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 11:27 AM

Good ol' Frank - I miss him.

I am the anti-Woo. I don't necessarily think people like the chiropracter are lying, but I think they delude themselves in various ways. A lot of modern Western New Age Woo (IMO) is a rehashing of mangled Eastern and Shamanistic philosophies and practices, mixed in with some odd Christian mythologies and old fashioned Spiritualism and a little junk 'science', so we get angels, spirit guides, auras, channelling, distance healing, laying on of hands, homeopathy, Reiki, and all of that, none of which, again in my opinion and from my observation, is in any sense real or effective (meaning 'having an effect on the physical').

I've seen too many friends get caught up in these practices, and it is only by luck and the healing abilities of the human body that they don't suffer serious harm. In some cases, they do suffer serious harm in not getting proper treatment for real life threatening conditions. Having seen a young woman die of breast cancer after refusing any medical treatment in favour of homeopathy, Reiki and other 'natural' remedies, I am no longer able to politely say 'Oh how nice' to anyone who favours such practices.


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: Mickey191
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 11:45 AM

Joe, think you're lucky to have the lady for your own personal Dr. Does she adjust you?

Daylia, thanks for good wishes & I've met the pitchfork guy on this plane-gave him the pointed boot out.

Amos, As always you make perfect sense. But--I did engage her further.She does readings whilst contacting the dead. I said "Like John Edward?" "Yes, but my friends say I'm better then J.E." No ego problem there! I'm wondering if she has a profitable side business. Mistress of seances?

Kat, I may have stated that wrongly. She sees my aura & then spoke of the 2 men. I just put them all together.

Bee, I'm sorry for the loss of your friend. I'm too level headed to be swept up in this "stuff." Though
I've met more then my share of Medical Drs. who've mistreated,misdiagnosed & even lied about their fees.
I seem to attract them. The degrees on the wall mean nothing until you've had interactions. Lost one breast because of misdiagnoses. That bastard is still out there practicing.   

I wonder if these two aliens accompany me to the bathroom?


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: Alice
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 11:58 AM

Get out of her care and don't go back.


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: Alice
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 12:06 PM

Mickey, have you gone to a physical therapist for your back?
After having a major injury this winter and then being sent to a physical therapist by the doctor, I have a great respect for what PTs do. A good PT will help to strengthen whatever needs to be stronger in order to help your back be healthy.
Good Luck.
Alice


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 01:14 PM

Yeah. Auras are real. They appear to be an energetic field of some sort that interacts with the nervous system and the body. Some people can see them and work with them. Most do not see them under normal conditions. I have a very limited ability to see auras under the right lighting conditions (dimly lit) and if I'm quite relaxed and not thinking about anything much at the time. (in other words, the nervous mind gets in the way, at least for me)

When I do see them, it's not by any plan or purpose on my part...it just happens, that's all.

Chanting is a good way of relaxing the mind, which can be useful in meditation and probably in a number of other activities. It's a focusing and relaxing tool. Some know how to use it to considerable effect. Most do not. I have a very limited awareness of how to use it, but I've seen good effects from using it.

I figure your chiropractor is probably doing some reasonably good stuff there.

I will add that women, on the average, are far more likely to be interested in such matters in the first place and to develop some facility with them than most men are. Why that is, I do not know, but I've heard that women, on average, are more spiritually developed than men... (and I don't doubt it, frankly)

There are some men who are exceptions to that, however. And some women too, of course. I have personally known some women who were probably not much more spiritually adept than your average toadstool. ;-)

I will also say this: most people fear what they do not understand. Whenever an esoteric or unusual subject like this one comes up in a thread, you can be guaranteed to hear their predictable responses...which will be to deny, scoff, ridicule, warn of dire dangers, etc...

The only thing that matters about this chiropractor is this: do the treatments she gives you work? Is she an effective chiropractor? If so, you have no problem. Her willingness to talk to you and explain something a little unusual she is doing is a sign of her openness and honesty. She evidently trusts you enough to feel safe being honest and open. It's up to you if you want to betray that trust by reacting fearfully to something you are unfamiliar with, which is what several people here are advising you to do. If so, you would be taking on their fears...


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: Amos
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 01:28 PM

I'm all for anti-Woo, but I have seen Reiki treatments accelerate healing and dispel pain from injury very dramatically. While not wanting to assert the existence of things which when looked for are not found to exist, I would simply say that sometimes existence is in the eye of the beholder, and there are more things in heaven and earth than in many of our philosophies.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 01:36 PM

Well-put, LH and Amos.

There has to be balance in all things, whether alopathic medicine or alternative. That's one reason why I only go to osteopaths - they combine the best of both, imo.

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: beardedbruce
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 01:50 PM

"I have a very limited ability to see auras under the right lighting conditions (dimly lit) and if I'm quite relaxed and not thinking about anything much at the time. (in other words, the nervous mind gets in the way, at least for me)"


"I will add that women, on the average, are far more likely to be interested in such matters in the first place and to develop some facility with them than most men are. Why that is, I do not know, but I've heard that women, on average, are more spiritually developed than men... (and I don't doubt it, frankly)"

Be careful. There are those on Mudcat who would have you serve jail time for your anti-woman bias, as shown in this set of statements.

Looks like you are saying that thinking interferes with seeing auras, and women are better than men at seeing auras... So women must not think as much???

For shame, for shame...


No explaining- just apologize and slink off.


8-{E


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: Partridge
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 02:01 PM

Only went to an osteopath once - a miracle.

It was last year at whitby folk festival, I was in terrible pain and he made it go away.

Pat xxx


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: frogprince
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 02:11 PM

Spent at least one summer weekend with my wife at a resort which happened to be hosting a "gathering of all paths". One guy set up shop to "photograph people's auras". Funny thing, but all the auras were in just the same shades as his multi-hued backdrop. Now, just because all it would take to get the effects he did would be something at the technical level of a little hair spray on one element of his lens, doesn't mean I would ever suspect him of being a charlatan...   (And no, I don't think my opinion about him proves anything one way or the other about auras)


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 02:15 PM

*G*, bb.

My notion is that women- by and large - are more intent on understanding the world of nuance, intuition and nebulousness(?), and that men - by and large - focus more on what makes physical things combine and work. Given that, I think that a healthy blend of the two would make one awesome human being.

I have consciously seen an aura very few times, but I have an older brother who says that while growing up he assumed that everybody had them and everybody saw them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 02:55 PM

My spine is like ninety miles of bad railroad track. I contracted polio at the age of two, and one of the frequent aftereffects of polio is scoliosis—spinal curvature. This can cause some fairly severe problems later on, because if you don't keep on top of it, it can get worse, even to the extent of crowding internal organs (such as lungs and heart) with detrimental results.

Fortunately, my father was a chiropractor. I've had chiropractic adjustments all my life, correcting the inevitable subluxations (a vertebra slipping out of place, often pinching nerve trunks which can effect the functioning of whichever organs those nerve trunks go to—that's the fundamental principle of chiropractic health care), and making you feel like you have a railroad spike in your back. My back was not severely curved, but it would tend to "slip out" at the stress points in the curvature (not fun!), and whenever that happened, Dad would work me over and adjust it. So, if I was fated to be bitten by that particular bug, I guess I chose my father wisely.

When my father passed away, I took regular adjustments from a colleague of his (the chiropractor he took adjustments from). And since then, I've had fairly regular adjustments from several chiropractors (whose credentials I check out thoroughly in advance). The result is that my spine, while it still has a sideways curve to it, is a lot straighter than it would be without regular adjustments.

So I've had a lot of experience with chiropractors.

MDs want to operate and fuse the vertebrae. I know people who have had this done, and judging from what they've told me as to the results (stiffness, constant aching—and the operation is irreversible), I'm not having any, thank you! Osteopaths can sometimes manage fairly reasonable ajustment, but they're not really trained in that specific kind of spinal manipulation. Physical therapists cannot (and I've had a lot of physical therapy).

Not all chiropractors are into auras, chanting, and such. In fact, none of the chiropractors I know are involved in this kind of thing.

I have no particular opinion regarding this, other than a healthy skepticism. If it seems to help, then, why knock it? But—it is not part of standard chiropractic procedure.

As to the validity of chiropractic as an effective health service, I've argued that argument dozens of times, and I'm not about to do it again. Suffice it to say that does have a solid scientific base, no matter who tries to claim otherwise.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 04:49 PM

Oh, be off with you, BB! ;-)

Yeah, compulsive thinking interferes with seeing auras. The one thing most people cannot do, even if they try, is quiet their compulsive little mind...it's like a noisy radio that never stops hollering, and the static gets in the way.


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 05:39 PM

Osteopaths can sometimes manage fairly reasonable ajustment, but they're not really trained in that specific kind of spinal manipulation.

That's not been my experience, Don. No offence, but the ones I've been to have all considered manipulation a major part of their training and practice. Thank goondness for me!


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: dianavan
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 05:59 PM

"Not all chiropractors are into auras, chanting, and such. In fact, none of the chiropractors I know are involved in this kind of thing."

Lets start there. You went to a chiropractor for an adjustment, right? Did you ask her for a psychic reading of any kind?

I think adjusting your back, auras and spirit guides are three different things and I don't think anyone should offer unsolicited advice. Its intrusive and shows a lack of respect for personal boundaries.

Frankly, I would never go to a chiropractor. I prefer physio.

I also see auras and understand spirit guidance. I would not, however, tell someone the colour of their aura unless they asked me and I don't generally tell people that I can see auras because I can only vaguely understand their meaning.   

Spirit guides are something else. I have never heard of being able to see the spirit guide of someone else and I've never heard of more than one guide. I'm not going to go into it here but lets just say that spirit guides are highly personal. You may be able to help someone find their guide but to tell someone what it is, seems a bit condescending.

It sounds to me as if this person has boundary issues. Beware of false prophets or as coyote says, "There will always be people who say they can do things that they cannot do."


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 07:42 PM

If you have a good working relationship with the practitioner, it is not intrusive for them to offer unsolicited stuff. If either one of you are intuitive at all, there would be a sense of what is acceptable or not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 09:18 PM

I've heard of people having more than one personal guide any number of times Dianavan. Having 2 is quite common, as far as I know. As for whether one talks about auras or whatever to someone else, it can all depend on the occasion and what their intuition suggests, I guess. It might be deemed intrusive, it might not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: Mickey191
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 09:58 PM

Folks, I thank you all for your thoughts. As I said, this Dr. helped me when MDs & a hospital could not. My orthopedist referred me to one of his partners who is a chiropractor & physical therapist. I went because I assumed he'd give adjustments. Keep in mind I was in agony. It was so bad the ER gave me oxycodene (sp.) but wouldn't admit me. "We don't admit people just because they have pain!" Brilliant!

The P.T. would not do adjustments-wanted me to start a regime of therapy. I needed pain relief - the drive alone to Ct.almost finished me. Thank the stars I found this chiropractor. After 7 wks in bed - she got me moving. I do expect this to have the same outcome. I'm feeling better today. So if chanting makes her more effectual-Baby I'm staying the course.

The subject didn't come up today.


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 11:22 PM

I really like the chiropractic for handling aches and pains, and my wife Christina can also do a pretty good job of easing my sinus pressure with some face moved.

She's tried some of that woo-woo stuff on me, and we always start laughing. She tired working on me in a black, slinky gown one time - that didn't work, either, because I cracked up laughing and spoiled the mood. I'm glad she hasn't tried the black, slinky number on other clients.

Most of Christina's clients are women, and most have become friends. My mother-in-law and our dogs and I are the greeting committee - we keep clients entertained while they're waiting. Some people come early to get lyrics and music information from me. I had a great conversation about Thomas Merton with a client yesterday, and another patient is on the Salvation Army Board of Directors and keeps me posted on poverty programs downtown. Clients bring in baked goods and eggs and plants. And there's something special about my wife Christina. When you meet her, you get the feeling she immediately knows all about you, and that she's a real healer.

A lot of this stuff seems like quackery to me, but Christina makes it work. She doesn't push the spirit guides and auras and stuff too much with me, thank heaven....

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: Mickey191
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 11:30 PM

Joe, Sounds like she has a lovely practice. Your a lucky fellow-is she very strong? My Doc is a beautiful young (35ish) woman who has such strength it's unbelievable. Stronger then my two other male chiropractors.


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: dianavan
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 02:32 AM

Interesting thread. More than one spirit guide? For me, thats an odd concept. Its hard enough to find one, let alone two.

If you are close to someone, of course you can share any insight you may have. I thought this was a patient-client relationship and it sounded very unprofessional to me.

In my life, I've had to walk a fine line between being a professional, seeing auras and knowing how to find a spirit guide. I keep it all very separate. I can't imagine crossing into someone's personal space without their permission.


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: *daylia*
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 07:55 AM

Re spirit guides -- for what it's worth, I've been told I have four of them. One is a little blonde girl about 6 years old, whose job is simply to cheer me up at critical moments (I tend toward ultra-seriousness and depression)

Now I don't believe in much, but I have seen this little blonde girl in my dreams many many times throughout my life, and I never knew who she was. ANd I always wondered why, in the middle of some god-awful painful circumstance or argument or whatever, all of a sudden the stupidest silliest thoughts pop into my head without warning and make me laugh

ie Holy Hairy Flippins!!!!   

8-)

I was given a few details about 2 more of my guides at one point, but I don't remember the info now. Which just goes to show how very vital having conscious knowledge about my guides is, in my daily life

;-)

And the 4th one would not reveal him/her/itself at all. Apparently it would not have been in my highest good to be given that information, at the time - or, that's what I was told.

Hmmmmmmm ..... maybe he looks like Tom Cruise, and that would be much too distracting or something

daylia


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: *daylia*
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 08:10 AM

PS -- just to be clear, I received this information a couple years ago from a highly talented psychic friend whom I trusted enough to ask, specifically, about my guides and a few other highly personal matters. He was kind enough to humour me, and like any other experienced practitioner with an ounce of integrity, he would never use his psychic abilities/techniques to snoop on or otherwise invade anyone's personal space, without their invitaion/permission.

daylia


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 08:14 AM

As far as I know, I've got two...one male, one female. That provides a nice balance. They make a good team. I might have still more, can't say for sure.


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 08:20 AM

I thought auras were a physiological trick of an after vision phenomenen due to chemicals in the eye not sissipating rapidly enough.

It is a phenomenen that I have seen that has been concurred by other pwoplw in the room. What I do not undertand is why it was not visible on some other people who were wearing the same colors of clothing that should have created the same contrast to the eye.

I just accept that auras around certain beings are part of my vision with no judgment as to what they actually are.


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: *daylia*
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 08:31 AM

RE auras -- I see them like a living glow of white light around people, animals, trees, plants, even inanimate objects -- but only when I'm in a "spiritual space" (ie meditation, practicing energetic healing like Reiki or Huna) OR when I'm very low on physical energy (overtired or sick). Because of this association with physical weakness/illness, for me, I never try to see them, nor do I even want to.

But it's not the same for everyone .... different strokes ....


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: dianavan
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 03:11 PM

When I think of a spirit guide, I do not think of a human form, let alone a particular sex. My understanding comes from Chinook tradition and you have to find it yourself (although you can have guidance). After you find it, you can share it but only if you want to. Other people can't tell you what it is.

Of course, ancestors play an important role, too. You can pray to them to help you because they are wise to the ways of the world. They've already walked the earth and know about life but you don't see them in human form.

What tradition does spirits with a human form come from? Maybe its a form of Christian angels or ghosts or demons or something. I don't really understand the roots of this knowlege. It seems very strange to me. How did it evolve?


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 03:12 PM

Yes the light I see is a white light. Often it is only a half inch layer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 03:39 PM

I would agree, Dianavan, that ultimately a spirit being is not in the human form...it's beyond the human form, but the mind can translate the spirit into a human form if that is what the mind is comfortable with. That's why people in different religious traditions often see different figures out of those traditions when they see a divine apparition, while they may not see a figure out of some other tradition. Their own expectations tend to shape the way they see what they are seeing, byt what are they truly seeing in the ultimate sense? Who can say? I am simply aware that one of my spirit helpers comes across as a male person, the other as a female. I can sense it.

I think there are probably about a million different ways of experiencing and interpreting such things, and one's own cultural expectations may play a big part.

I agree that the spirits of ancestors play an important part in guiding embodied people. No question about that, as far as I'm concerned.

Rather like Daylia and Donuel I sometimes see a whitish aura coming off the body. It rises kind of like steam off the body. I have to be very relaxed for this to happen so that I'm aware of it. I usually see it coming off my own body when I'm sitting in a theatre waiting for a movie to start or some situation like that. You have to sort of not have your mind on anything in particular at the time....all of sudden you notice this steamy stuff. Quite mysterious!


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: dianavan
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 04:04 PM

I'm sure cultural traditions play a big role but I see auras too and its not part of my Native cultural tradition.

Oddly enough, I see different colours around different people. I use it as a guide to my personal interraction with them. If its yelowish-green, I sense danger, disease or perversion. If its very green, its healthy. Purple is spiritual. Orange is aggression. Red is energy. Blue is emotional, etc. Thats just a quick summary.

I don't always see auras but when I do, the aura is strong and clear.

I like what you said about the mind shaping the spirit into a human form. The mind can play funny tricks on us and it takes the knowledge of elders to explain the meaning and guide us in the right direction. Often it is what we fear the most that is there to guide us.

I'll give an example: My daughter was afraid of spiders. Most would call it a phobia. The spider terrified her because it was so big in her mind. I told my grandmother. She said the spider was a symbol of design. She said I should help my daughter to develop those talents and to help my daughter understand the significance of her guide. 25 years later, my daughter became an urban planner and an environmental architect.

She is no longer afraid of spiders. She uses the spider on her logo.


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 04:23 PM

Yes, some types of spiders are wonderful designers. I once spent an entire hour watching a garden spider build a big beautiful ornate web. She laid down the main anchor lines first, casting herself out into space and swinging to a new position like Tarzan on the grapevine. She then did the concentric circles, section by section, in the most meticulous and beautiful way, and finally finished by building a little central station to perch on...then she rested there. It remains one of the most amazing things I have ever witnessed. I liked spiders a lot when I was a kid, so I spent much time observing them.

The creatures that scared me a lot were wasps, hornets, large aggressive dogs, and bears.


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 04:31 PM

I have watched aphids who spin a 5 inch snow crystal shaped craft, fly them around. If you try to grab them they are electrostaicly charged to repel your grasp.

The most remarkable thing I have ever seen indoors were 2 globes of light that had the ability to pass through walls unaffected and keep going.


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 05:25 PM

Spiders aren't designers - any more than snowflakes or sunflower heads are designers. It is sad that the consciousness that makes us so magnificently human also has the ability to make us appear to be utter fools.
We really do live in an age where some people will believe in anything.


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: dianavan
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 06:23 PM

Spiders are a symbol of design. Nobody said they were designers. I guess you don't understand the meaning of symbolism, Captain Ginger.


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: bobad
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 06:58 PM

"Nobody said they were designers. "

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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: Little Hawk - PM
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 04:23 PM

Yes, some types of spiders are wonderful designers.

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"You see what you want to see
You hear what you want to hear"

The Rockman who dwells in the Pointed Forest


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: dianavan
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 07:16 PM

oops - I thought he was referring to my post.

Regardless - This is not a thread that should be understood in an empirical sense. Nor is a spider's 'ability' to design anything more than a metaphor. At least I didn't take it that way.


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 11:16 PM

You take yourself too seriously, Captain Ginger, that's what I think... ;-)

I was just being a bit poetic to say that spiders were "designers". It was a metaphor, as Dianavan suggests, not a statement of my literal belief. I have no idea how a garden spider keeps track of the geometric structure of its web while it's building it, but I guess most people would just say it's "instinct". "Instinct" is a great little catchall word that people use to describe any creature's behaviour which they are completely unable to come up with any other explanation for...

It's a way of saying "I don't know", but still sounding like you do know.


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 11:29 PM

Spiders have no problem just doing what comes naturally.


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 11:40 PM

Yeah, that's what's so cool about it. No one has to teach them how.


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Apr 07 - 12:46 AM

Spiders? Programming.

But not by Microsoft. You can tell, because it seems to work quite well.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Auras and Chanting
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Apr 07 - 01:06 AM

Ain't Nature grand, LH?:-)


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