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Posted By: The Shambles
11-Aug-02 - 07:45 AM
Thread Name: TV sport vs live music in pubs. HELP
Subject: TV sport vs live music in pubs. HELP
I have asked my local police if they have statistics to support the statement made by Dr Howells. Given their reply (following), can I please ask that you do the same?


Alcohol and Entertainment Licensing Bill

1. Siobhain McDonagh (Mitcham and Morden): If she will make a statement on her policy towards the licensing of televising of sport in public houses under the terms of the proposed Alcohol and Entertainment Licensing Bill. [68956]
The Minister for Tourism, Film and Broadcasting (Dr. Kim Howells): As is the case with existing legislation, the proposed Alcohol and Entertainment Licensing Bill will not include the licensing of the televising of sport in public houses in its definition of public entertainment. A publican, of course, already requires and will continue to require a normal domestic television licence.
Siobhain McDonagh: I thank my hon. Friend for his answer. However, given the licensing disparity between televised football and live music in pubsóthe former is subject to no regulation but the latter is subject to a complicated regulation mechanismówill he encourage members of the Cabinet to look at introducing legislation in the Queen's Speech that will reform the public entertainment licence system and encourage live music and particularly young musicians in small venues?

Dr. Howells: We will certainly look at getting rid of the absurd two in a bar rule. I have looked long and hard at the evidence, but we have never received any to suggest that watching television in a pub causes the kinds of scenes that have sometimes occurred in pubs with live music. Nor, indeed, have we had any reports of disturbances caused by watching television in a pubówe have certainly received some reports of incidents following the playing of live music in pubs. Generally speaking, however, pubs are excellent venues for live music. We want to make sure that that continues to be the case and that there are more venues for live music, not fewer.

Letter to the Dorset Police. 05/08/02.
I do not of course expect you to be drawn in to a political argument. But given your comment about not being able to say that there had been no complaints locally, and bearing in mind of course that this is a fairly recent introduction to the activities of licensed premises. Is it your view and can it be statistically demonstrated, that all LIVE music making and only LIVE music making, has presented instances of significant problems and incidents, that has not been presented by those attracted to, and associated with, the advertised showing of live TV sport in public houses?

Their reply 08/08/02
Firstly it is my opinion that many times when officers are called to deal with 'incidents' at or around liquor licensed premises, those officers are concerned with ensuring that any breaches of public order or reports of other nuisance are contain, controlled and ultimately dissipated. This they may quite often not actually determine the cause of any problem. However with noise nuisance complaints the cause is more obvious.

I cannot give any statistical information to indicate details in relation to the matter subject of your question as we do not keep such information.

But my second comment would be that I am not aware of any occasion when we have dealt with significant problems related to the watching of live TV sports programmes, whereas there have been occasions when we have dealt with incidents relative to the playing of live music. I would add that for reasons of confidentiality I could not give you examples of premises in involved.

So there are no statistics and there is no evidence available from my local police to the Government, even to establish if the 'incidents' the police refer to here were in fact to LIVE music and not to noise from pre-recorded sound or to noise outside the premises!

But the facts (or lack of them) will not prevent the same old opinions from being expressed in the highest places, by Dr Howells and apparently being supported by the local police. The great danger is that many people will trust and be swayed by these unsupported opinions and believe they are fact................Can I ask that you ask your local police and post the reply here?
Roger