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Thread #46702   Message #694347
Posted By: The Shambles
20-Apr-02 - 11:04 AM
Thread Name: UK catters be useful TODAY
Subject: RE: UK catters be useful TODAY
I am sorry Les, I forgot to thank you for efforts.

Apparently it already is an offence. If more than two people are singing the venue is required to obtain a public entertainments licence.

The S 182 exemption from the requirement is for two or less 'performers'. It does not follow at all that three 'people' making music without the premises holding a PEL, is an offence.

For if they are not considered to be performers, and there is nothing in case law to suggest that customers or "ordinary people", must be so considered, there are no performers and must be exempt, as no performers must be less than two performers.

Again this use of the word and concept of 'spontaneous' has no legal bearing at all. For 'spontaneous' or not it is still an offence, if it considered to be public entertainment i.e. music or dancing and not exempt. It just means that if the council is not aware in advance and it does not happen again, in a purely practical sense they can't do much about it.

Rather than asking our civil servants about hypothetical events, MPs really need to presented them with actual public music making activities and asked how these (like sessions and Morris), can continue without being placed at risk by being classed as public entertainment, now and under the proposed reforms.