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Thread #42183   Message #612108
Posted By: Big Mick
17-Dec-01 - 10:46 PM
Thread Name: Guns and hunting
Subject: RE: Guns and hunting
Yep, some folks always descend to this. I have also sang, eaten, and made music with Kendall. I would be happy to do so again, anytime, and any place. BUT........and this is a major BUT.........I will not sleep with you, you old coot..........LOL.

I am sorry that kat has chosen to leave the debate. All we have here is a discussion of this issue, and I think that with a couple of exceptions, it is actually going quite civilly. With the exception of unnamed assholes, that is. Kat chose to use the term crap, that is unfortunate. But I really wanted to ask her a question based on her response. She equates Native American hunting with spirituality. In fact she calls it a spiritual right. I think she has it wrong. Hunting by Native Americans, for the most part in days gone by, was a survival practice. But they viewed then, as many of them do now, the whole world as a living being. Hence great thanks was shown to the Creator for the bounty provided. And great reverence was shown to the living creature for the sacrifice made to provide sustenance. Many tales of the hunt were told around the lodge fires, bragging type stories that extolled the skill and bravery of the hunter AND the hunted. This is really not so different from the hunters that I hunt with. We enjoy the hunt, we talk of the skill required to be successful against wily prey, and we waste nothing of the kill. I don't have a single fish mount, or deer mount in my home. I have never felt the need. I do have hides that I have tanned. I have always wanted to get into buckskinning, so I save them. Unfortunately I don't have the time for another hobby so I will likely give the hides to my nephew who is into this sort of thing. But I start to digress.

With regard to the above paragraph, my point is that the aims of the hunters that I hunt with and the Native American hunters is not different. There is a difference in the spirituality involved, but not the reverence. I have learned much of my hunting ethic from the practices of several different tribes of Native Americans. Hunting, in and of itself, is not wrong. But hunting for no purpose but to kill, and with no respect for the creature whose life you take is simply slaughter. The near destruction of the buffalo, and the extinction of the passenger pigeon, are examples of what happens when values and ethics disappear from hunting. And finally, Native American hunting is not purer, or more OK, than any other. You either buy that hunting can be OK or you don't.

With regard to education, I strongly support more, not less. I believe that if a state is going to pass laws that allow weapons to be carried in public places, then training equivalent to what a law enforcement officer must go through to carry should be mandatory.

And as truly sorry as I am for ljc's friends, I still must make this observation. Anyone who fires at a noise in the field or in the home or in public without having exactly identified what it is that s/he is going to discharge a lethal projectile at is guilty of manslaughter. I would never, ever, fire any of my weapons without having positively id'ed the target. Never, never, ever fire at a sound.

I am very sorry for the loss that this family is going through.