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Posted By: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
03-Nov-20 - 03:53 PM
Thread Name: Folklore: city that sank into the sea
Subject: RE: Folklore: city that sank into the sea
Leeneia: We are always reading that a people's myths are not mere fantasies, that they reflect deep beliefs. In this case, they reflect deep fear of the sea. And that's logical. The sea has great capacity for destruction.

michaelr: The two words seem to be from different root languages, according to a quick search. I've seen the Skellig islands from the west coast of Kerry; they are quite a sight.

Rocks & shoals have been scary things for so long it's hard to say which word is describing what.

Old school Catholics didn't believe in “water rites” or consecrated burials at sea. No rest for the eternal soul and no benefits for the widows and orphans. Deliberate stranding at low tide was a form of capital punishment. Davy Jones Locker-v-Fiddler's Green.

Etymology
The term skerry is derived from the Old Norse sker, which means a rock in the sea (which in turn derives from the Proto-Indo-European root sker-, "cut", in the sense of a rock cut off from the land). The Old Norse term sker was brought into the English language via the Scots language word spelled skerrie or skerry. It is a cognate of the Scandinavian languages' words for skerry – Icelandic, Faroese: sker, Danish: skær, Swedish: skär, Norwegian: skjær / skjer, found also in German: Schäre, Finnish: kari, Estonian: skäär, Latvian: šera, Lithuanian: Šcheras and Russian: ????? (shkhery). In Scottish Gaelic, it appears as sgeir, e.g. Sula Sgeir, in Irish as sceir, in Welsh as sgeri, and in Manx as skeyr.” [Skerry]


scare (v.)
1590s, alteration of Middle English skerren (c. 1200), from Old Norse skirra "to frighten; to shrink from, shun; to prevent, avert," related to skjarr "timid, shy, afraid of," of unknown origin. In Scottish also skair, skar, and in dialectal English skeer, skear, which seems to preserve the older pronunciation. To scare up "procure, obtain" is first recorded 1846, American English, from notion of rousing game from cover. Related: Scared; scaring.

"scare (n.)
something that frightens; sudden panic, sudden terror inspired by a trifling cause, false alarm," 1520s, alteration of Middle English sker "fear, dread" (c. 1400), from scare (v.). Scare tactic attested from 1948.”
[https://www.etymonline.com/word/scare]


No cities, bells or songs, just a sailor's tall tale: Hy-Brasil or Porcupine Bank depending on the particular ice age.