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Posted By: Steve Shaw
28-Jul-19 - 09:19 AM
Thread Name: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
Your interpretation of democracy is a long way from mine, Stanron. Several things:

This country enjoys Parliamentary democracy. The referendum should never have been called.

The referendum was not binding on the government, and no amount of a Tory prime minister's parroting that he would take it as binding/an instruction/a mandate from the people could make it binding. The binding claim was unconstitutional.

We were lied to by Dominic Cummings and Boris Johnson both about the amount of our contribution to the EU and about what it could be used for if we refused to pay it.

We were lied to by Nigel Farage, who provided a racist message about uncontrolled immigration by posing in front of a poster showing a queue of non-white refugees who had nothing to do with immigration into this country.

We were fearmongered to death by the remain campaign about a brexit future, the cheerleader of which was your shrill and greasy little man, Mr We're-all-in-it-together- austerity-man, the git who now edits the Evening Standard.

We were lied to about how easy it would be to forge dozens of new trade deals.

The Irish border issue was de-emphasised during tbe campaign in a most dishonest way, and look where we are now with that.

38% of the electorate voted leave. The leave vote was skewed by the votes of older people who will be unaffected by brexit.

We have another vote to choose a government every few years, a move that is regarded as the bastion of democracy. Every few years we are afforded that rethink. Yet you would deny the people of this country a rethink about what is arguably a far more critical and certainly a far more permanent sea change in this country's future. I'll tell you what, Stanron. You're no democrat. If you thought you'd definitely win a second vote you'd be all for it. You'd jump at it. But you're afraid that you wouldn't win, so you oppose it. For no other reason. You wouldn't recognise democracy if it jumped up and bit you on the family jewels. Get honest, why don't you.

And I don't even bloody want another referendum. I don't want any bloody referendums.