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Posted By: Steve Shaw
26-Jul-19 - 04:24 PM
Thread Name: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
"It could be argued that the EU has never negotiated."

Where have you been for the last three years?

"The leaving arrangement has been rejected by Parliament three times. Each time the reason given was the backstop. Each time the EU refused to renegotiate. It still says it will not renegotiate. I think it is fair to say they will not, in the future, renegotiate."

The backstop is not negotiable. Either we have a backstop or we jeopardise trade between us and Ireland and risk flare-ups at the border. You can't have a bit of a backstop or a time-limited backstop. Use your brain on that one. The irony is that, given constructive cooperation in negotiating a trade deal, there'd never be any need for the bloody thing at all.   

"As for 'mindless nationalism', a standard accusation of the communist theology as I recall, you might be in trouble there because the EU sees itself as becoming one nation. Then what will you do?"

Typical brexiteer bullshit. How many times do I have to say this. The EU comprises 28 nations, each of which is fiercely nationalistic and jealous of its own distinctive identity. The occasional oddball who's lost his head might still declare that pie-in-the-sky aspiration, but it can't happen. EU countries all, to a greater or lesser extent, have the power of veto over changes they see as undesirable. A one-nation Europe can never, ever happen. Get honest, will you?

Some getting-in-proportion context: our financial dealings with the EU constitute one percent of our GDP. The EU has no control over our domestic laws. In the last three decades the UK has agreed without demur to 95% of new EU laws and regulations, has abstained on about 2% and disagreed with 3%. The vast majority of new EU regulations are agreed by consensus without going to a vote. No EU law or regulation is ever imposed by unelected bureaucrats. The UK, as one of the leading EU nations, has considerable powers of veto. There is no European army because the UK has said no, and there never will be as long as we remain members.

I could go on. But why let facts get in the way of sacred ideology, Stan?