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Thread #166098   Message #3992459
Posted By: Jim Carroll
15-May-19 - 03:13 AM
Thread Name: If you don't like ballads......
Subject: RE: If you don't like ballads......
"then the significance of calling them 'popular' would be that, after having been produced by an elite, they had then been taken up by the people."
Can't see the logic of that at all Richard - can you explain
Child was taking ballads from collectors who regarded them as being products and expression 'of the people" not the 'educated elite'
Motherwell went as far as to warn against altering the people's version and destroying the language                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Steve may not see why anybody should challenge your statement, but the question of whether 'the people' were capable of having made the ballads is one that has been raised among ballad scholars from day one - hardly a new subject.
As with the folk songs, the ballads have the fingerprints of 'the common people' all over them, folk humour, vernacular and phrasing, folklore long before the subject became a researched and published discipline....
There is no evidence whatever to indicate the folk didn't make the ballads as there is none to that they if'te make the sea, martial, social misalliance...... etcetera songs
That they didn't make them is a recent fashion based on very little, if any real evidence - a modern drive to prove that 'the folk' had no voice of their own
It puzzles my why the Irish 'peasant' should have made so many thousands of songs of their own yet the British shouldn't