Mudcat Café message #3501411 The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #150190   Message #3501411
Posted By: Stringsinger
10-Apr-13 - 10:09 AM
Thread Name: BS: Atheists
Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
"You have obviously not read my posts you self-righteous lying ass!"

Spoken like a true Christian and follower of Jesus. It makes your "god bless you" seem hollow. But I understand your anger because many of the ideas that you present are challenged and are defended by accusing me of not reading them.

One of the reasons I keep these posts going is that Mudcat is one of the few places left where new ideas that run counter to the prevailing bureaucratic mantras can be expressed with the hope that a dialogue will ensue that would be enlightening. it's one of the few places on the internet that suggest a return to democratic values. Of course, when you express a point of view that runs counter to the accepted shibboleths of our politicians and religious leaders and their adherents, you can expect vituperative ad-hominems and curses.

Still, I think the discussion is worth it, since it presents other ideas rather than the smug prevailing ones that are taken for granted.

A discussion of what atheists are or are not is valuable since there are different definitions and points of view held by them. Sam Harris, Dan Dennet, Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins do not always agree in their views. Still, they see the importance of information and dialogue. Having read some of their works, I have been presented with new ideas that are worthy of consideration.

When Dawkins suggests that god is a delusion, he is not accusing religious people of being deluded in every part of their lives. Obviously, to be a good sailor, you can't be deluded to run a tight ship in perilous oceans. He is talking about religion in general, how it is applied to a majority of people who believe. He has been open and sincerely interested in how they have come to their conclusions and I recommend that before we talk about Dawkins, some familiarity with his point of view which comes from reading his books would enhance this conversation.

Demonization of any point of view doesn't enlighten anyone. As I have mentioned before, I don't demonize Christians and having been one myself years ago,I think I understand where they are coming from. It's easy to push their buttons unintentionally.