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Thread #149850   Message #3488808
Posted By: Little Hawk
10-Mar-13 - 02:43 PM
Thread Name: BS: Catholic religion response to 'today'
Subject: RE: BS: Catholic religion response to 'today'
That's for sure, Amos. My guess, going on the basis of a few individual Catholics I have known over the years, is that there are a good many Catholics who don't allow the church to compell them to do anything they don't want to...and who in any case still find something quite valuable in belonging to that faith.

One thing I object to in our secular governments is that they very often set about compelling their citizens to do stuff...or not do stuff...and I'm not talking about the normal civil crimes here (such as theft, murder, slander, arson, assault, etc). I'm talking about when governments muzzle free speech, muzzle the press and mass media, arrest people merely on suspicion of some form of disloyalty, incarcerate people without trial or legal representation, etc...

Our so-called democratic governments have frequently done things like this, most often in wartime (whether or not the war has been legally declared, which they seldom are these days).

No one should be compelled to act against his own conscience nor be punished for having an independent opinion...either by religions OR by secular authorities.

I'm a lot more worried about authoritarian and unconstitutional stuff like the Patriot Act and the NDAA and offshore war prisons like Guantanamo and legalized government torture than I am by the various wellknown misdeeds of the Catholic church. Yes, all that dirty linen (both secular political AND secular financial AND religious) needs to be made public...like Steve said (although he was referring only to the church)...and if it was, there'd be hell to pay.