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Thread #148012   Message #3434784
Posted By: GUEST,Blandiver
11-Nov-12 - 12:20 PM
Thread Name: No Man's Land/willie McBride-rap version?
Subject: RE: No Man's Land/willie McBride-rap version?
You despise collectors / You deride researchers,

You misunderstand my position. I'm all too aware of the debt we owe to the collectors, just as as I'm all too aware of the gulf of class condscension that informs the Revival in general and the concept of 'Folk' and 'Folkore' as a whole. Even unto this day the general demographic of Folk is middle-class and has little to do with the working-class men & women who made & sang these songs* in the first place.

yet you offer no sign that you have done any research yourself

My opinions are based on a life time of empirical research; I'm not making this stuff up. As a kid we were 'told' that The Blackleg Miner was a traditional song from out local villages of Seghill andf Seaton Delaval despite the fact that the only people who said this were our middle-clas teachers and no one had ever heard of it. Now it seems A L Lloyd wrote himself based on an American song. I grew up with music in a working-class context - everything from Kipling to stories of Paul Robeson, Northumbrian pipes, Krautrock, punk etc etc. The only people doing 'Folk', with significant exception, were middle-class revisionists.

easier to tear down something somebody else has constructed rather than produce something by your own efforts.

There's nothing to construct; the Folk Scene is there, I'm just being honest about it - telling it like it is, not tearing it down. I believe Harker's Fakesong, Bob Pegg's Folk (and Rites & Riots, and Boyes' Imagined Village have done the same thing.

You ridicule folkies

With some good reason - but not without masses of respect...

yet your own output is 'folkie at it's most has -beenish,

I just do what I do, Jim - there's nothing deliberate about it one way or the other, althoughy I'm proud that whilst I've never been played on Radio Two, I've been featured three times over the years on Radio Three.

You even belittle the efforts of the thousands of youngsters coming to traditional music here in Ireland for the first time, who have ascertained that that music will survive for at least another couple of generations.

Not so. I might be wary of it - I might not even like it - but certainly I don't belittle it. I love the old players & the old music (Seamus Ennis, Felix Doran et al) but to my ears there a big difference between that & what people are doing today. Disparity - or just personal taste.

Whichever of your numerous identities you adopt on this forum

I want to change my name officially, but Joe Offer in his infinite wisdom won't let me. I make no secret of who I am.

your contempt for others gives you away each time.

I have no contempt for anyone - neither have I expressed any - not even to you with your overblown & deeply personal attempts at character assassination, such as this one.

Nice one, Jim!

* By which I mean Traditional songs & lore, and the Idioms thereof.