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Thread #141742   Message #3266260
Posted By: Dave the Gnome
30-Nov-11 - 02:56 PM
Thread Name: Occupy Folk Music! (USA)
Subject: RE: Occupy Folk Music! (USA)
Pass it on to whoever you like, Al. Glad I could be of service - But if I can be of similar service may I just say that kicking out at the wrong people does no good at all.

Lashing out at me because Tunesmith doesn't like people singing in phoney accents does no good. Only addressing the people who are making you angry does.

Calling everyone who likes the more traditional acts toadies and wankers does not help Sanjay bookings at his local folk club. Hard work, a modicum of talent and being himself will do that - eventualy!

OK. Enough off the thread stuff and back to Steves point. I have just re-read your list of 'sins'' and have revised my opinion of the perpetraors. Bit long here but I think I need to address each one -

A young woman just out of college goes to a weekend retreat sponsored by an established folk club. When no one else is making any music, she takes out a penny whistle and starts to play Soldier's Joy. A long-time officer of the club immediately tells her to stop because she is playing the tune in thew wrong key, G instead of D. What a way to make a newcomer feel welcome!

Maybe he was helping to put her straight? Maybe Soldiers Joy was due to be played and he was helping to make sure she could join in? Maybe it was aginst retreat rukes to play between sets but he didn't want to put it that way?

At a different weekend retreat, during an open jam, a singer-guitarist starts to play Hesitation Blues in a major key. One of the leaders with a bigger guitar and louder voice feels he is doing it wrong, and proceeds to drown him out by playing the same song in a minor key.

This was the session leaders song. Why should he put up wiuth someone 'stealinng' his stuff? I would not be happy if someone came to my club and sang my songs. (I only know 2 :-) )

At yet a different weekend retreat, a banjo player starts to take a seat in the inner circle of an open jam. He is told he cannot sit there because "that seat is reserved for good musicians" and he is instructed to sit in the outer circle.

The seats could well have been reserved weeks or months in advance.

At a club sponsored pub sing, a woman from the neighborhood who is not a club member comes with a double bowed psaltry and plays a couple of simple tunes the best she knows how. And what does the organizer say? "She should learn her tunes better." The woman got not even a thank you, let alone a comment on what an unusual and fascinating instrument she brought.

If one does not want to be criticised one should not play in public.

At a folk society sponsored forum on folk music held in an urban high school with many students in attendance, a speaker talks about how much of the topical and protest music today comes out of the hip-hop genre. The next speaker, a well known folk musician, follows up by saying "You know what I call rap music? I call it crap music." That will surely win over the young ones, won't it?

He is entitled to his opinion.

At another event held in a high school, in a workshop on using music for community outreach, a leader in the folk music community makes a joke about always pronouncing "New Age" so it rhymes with "sewage."

As above.

After a mostly traditional folk club presents Joe Jencks, a very accomplished singer-songwriter, a long-time officer of the clubs says, "I would sooner shut the club down than have that kind of music." By the way, no one in the audience complains about Jencks or his music.

As above

A person comes to a folk club for the first time, and mentions that she loves folk music. When asked what kind, she replies, "Oh, stuff like Nanci Griffith, Kate Wolf, and Lauro Nyro." A club officer then tells her, "That's not folk music." I guess the only thing worse would have been if she said she likes Peter, Paul, and Mary or the Kingston Trio.

Lots of people would agree that it is not folk music. The club officer could well have been trying to enlighten her.

A woman who has never previously heard Jack Langstaff goes to a talk he is giving. Afterwards she approaches the moderator and asks a few very basic questions. Instead of answering her, the moderator brushes her off saying in a sarcastic tone, "You mean to tell me you don't know who Jack Langstaff is?" (Jack, by the way, is a perfect gentleman and he later answers the woman's questions.)

That is, as ever, the way of the world. People who know their subject will often deride those who do not. Get over it or learn more and get your own back :-)

What links all the perpetraors, in my mind, is a lack of peopekl skillls. There are lots of peopel who have difficulty with relationships. Should they be derided and denied opportunities in society because of it?

What links the 'victims', again only in my mind, is an ability to be easily offended.

I think what could easily clear up all these missunderstandings is not a campaign to get rid of these people but one to educate. Both parties.

Just my two-penn'urth

Well about Three pound 57 pence worth by the word...

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