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Thread #138735   Message #3181317
Posted By: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
04-Jul-11 - 01:17 PM
Thread Name: Do purists really exist?
Subject: RE: Do purists really exist?
but I'm talking about a completely different class of variation

Even supposing every interpretation of any given classical piece was identical, the piece itself remains the consequence of the process and tradition which preceded it. Now, if all interpretations of that piece were the same, how come there are so many different recordings if only to prove that it's impossible to do anything the same way twice? Variation is variation, and tradition is tradition - both are inherant aspects of all music.

Which were the 'Folk Terms'? And why the capitals?

'Unselfconsciously in three or more different musical modes' seems to fit the bill. Capitals because I think such theological / theorectical terminology deserves respect. It only becomes unselfconscious when you apply an academic terminology to the material which would have been completely alien to the original singers. Like Linguists do in speech analysis. It's like saying such-and-such used different nown and verb phrases unselfconsciously because they didn't know what a noun or verb phrase was. Innocently would be more accurate.

More pejorative generalisations.

I'm not being pejorative here, just pointing out that what Folkies call The Tradition consists of so many isolated specimens suspended in formaldehyde far removed from any life they might once have had in the wild. A collected song is not a living entity, it is only an imperfect record of how such-and-such might have sung it on that particular occasion. One one hand we talk of Fluidity, on the other hand that Fluidity is measured by comparing collected non-Fluid versions assumed to be definitive in and of themselves. Anyway, I spend a lot of time immersed in that stuff; I know the differences and variations, just I can't possibly see how it could possibly be any different. Can you?

1970s jazz-rockers reprising their own back catalogues don't hack it either

I'm not talking about reprising back-catalogues, rather a living tradition of musical folklore that was collected at the time. For example - compare the famous recording of The Soft Machine Live at the Paradiso March 1969 with the studio versions on Volume 2 recorded around the same time.

Or this which is just mental & beautiful too: (The director preferred the demo; there are days when I do too...)


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