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Thread #116964   Message #2545334
Posted By: Richard Bridge
21-Jan-09 - 02:56 PM
Thread Name: Why folk clubs are dying
Subject: RE: Why folk clubs are dying
I think I have to disagree a bit with Jim, while bowing of course to his superior knowledge.

To start with, public masturbation does indeed concern other people - hence the offence of indecent exposure, and some chagrin of George Michael.

MacColl, I fear, I find, at least on the recordings of him that I have, dull. Compare his version of Henry the Poacher with the Young Tradition's. The latter coveys the horror, resignation, and thrill far more vividly. The only time I heard Lloyd live (well, I think he was just still alive) it was hard to figure out what notes he was trying to sing, and there was no force to the songs.

I'm not sure that I can even agree that English language (or even English) folks songs are all narrative. Where does that leave shanties, marching songs, or songs sung to dance tunes or for dancing. I'm sure it would exlclude a quantity of Scottish and Irish material.

Also,as I think I have said before, the 1954 Karpeles definition does not deal with style of performance. The genre "folk" is unlike any other in that. So the mere fact that Nice's "Rondo" or Love Sculpture's "Sabre Dance" would probably be called "rock" not "classical" does not mean that Vaughan WIlliam's renditions of folk tunes were no longer folk tunes.