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Thread #109167   Message #2286055
Posted By: Slag
12-Mar-08 - 03:10 AM
Thread Name: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
Too late Little Hawk! I 'm jumping back in! I really like you because we do see many things the same and have similar attitudes about some things. We are greatly divided on other issues but that does not mean we cannot converse civilly! People can disagree without being disagreeable.

I wholeheartedly support the concept of freedom of speech. Ideas, theories and beliefs should have feet of their own upon which to stand. You can attack ideas, etc. and even knock them down, if you are able, without attacking the person. If someone is so heavily invested in his ideas that he sinks or swims with them, so be it, just so long as the attack remains on the idea and not upon the person.

I'm looking at your examples now LH and this is what I see:

"Your clothes are ugly." could imply that the speaker believes the wearer has bad taste. More accurate would be "In my opinion your clothes are ugly." which removes the possibility of personal attack. It might even be a qualified opinion such as "I am a clothes designer and in my opinion, your clothes are ugly." or it could even be a considered and considerate opinion, "I am a fashion designer and I think I could offer some suggestions on how to improve your wardrobe. However if you are happy with your clothes please know that this is just my personal opinion."

Theism does permeate and touch every aspect of every life whether we recognize it or not. It is a part of the language and language symbols we use. Consider Greek and Roman mythology and how it is often reflected in art and conversation and psychology (especially Jungian). Take the word "gas". We use it all the time but it comes to us from the word chaos and Chaos was the mythical being that dominated existence before creation. It's there whether you recognize it or not. Or psychology! "Psyche" the spirit! Logos, the word, the knowledge of, the study of. The importance of Jerusalem (Jah's Peace) or Rome (founded by Romulus and Remus), San Francisco ( the city of Saint Francis) Philadelphia, the planets, the stars, everything. You cannot get away from it.

I also agree that those who get in your face and try to make a hard sell about anything and especially religion find instant and irreversible opposition from myself, personally. A polite "Not interested" is the only civility they will receive from me. I goes downhill form there. If someone wants to discuss religion or some other topic I am interested in OK, but that is my choice, choice being the key word.

Well, it's late and I feel myself starting to ramble so, uh, PM me if you have anything else to say!!!!