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Thread #109167   Message #2283774
Posted By: Little Hawk
09-Mar-08 - 03:17 PM
Thread Name: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
Rationalists do have faith. Everyone has faith in whatever and whomever they normally rely upon as being worthy of their trust.

Faith is not just "belief in things there are no evidence for", it is also trust in someone or something without reservation, and that trust can be based ON evidence and observation and experience...or it can just be a blank assumption. When I was a kid I trusted the conventional views of science without reservation. That was a blank assumption on my part at the time, later backed up to some extent by observation. I had 100% faith from the start in conventional science...long BEFORE I had any direct proof of it. I also trusted my parents without reservation. And the government too. I soon discovered that my parents were fallible, and that the government lies now and then. ;-) I later discovered that any specific century's or even decade's scientific conventionality is also fallible...very much so. A great deal of it turns out to be wrong or inadequate in the centuries that follow.

I no longer have 100% faith in either my parents or the science community...nor, needless to say, in any church or religion. My faith is partial now.

Faith can be partial. It doesn't have to be all or nothing. I have partial faith in many things, like the science community, for example. There is almost nothing left anymore that I have full faith in except my own powers of direct observation and experience...oh, and some simple stuff that we all know about like that two plus two makes four, for instance, and that things fall down, not up, and that water flows to the lowest point and will evaporate at boiling point. Yeah, those things I have faith in. ;-)

Now, please resist the temptation to concoct something "clever" that appears superficially to contradict those last few examples of mine just to indulge in the pleasures of playing argumentative games and playing devil's advocate. Okay?