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Thread #2385   Message #2053326
Posted By: GUEST,Fred
16-May-07 - 07:25 AM
Thread Name: Lyr Req: Mademoiselle from Armentières
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mademoiselle from Armentières
Lighter,

I will source some additional info on Cecil H Winter for you. My mum has two of his journals made up of years of writings. This weekend I will figure out how to post the copy of the song for you.
Other bits about my grandfather:
Articles in my possession talk of him being friends with Breaker Morant who also wrote for the Bulletin around 1998 on until his death. One article tells of his visit to the offices of the Sydney Bulletin in 1949 and after making himself known, was surrounded by staff and treated as a brother.
Another interesting thing is one article talks of his early life around Deniliquin, being first brought up on a station about 50 km from the meeting of the Billabong and Edwards Rivers in the Riverina. HThe article states that as a younger man his father William met up with Burke and Wills on the Victorian border as they rode north (article: Southland Daily News (NZ),Sat Dec 15 1951 (p11).
In terms of the song, there are several who claimed authorship at some time or other. This is disputed in an article as well that I have, stating that the claims of one ECH Rowlands (UK) and Lt Gritz-Rice are flase and that CH Winter was the author.
Grandad Winter gave or sold the rights to the song to one Pat Hanna of the Diggers Vaudeville show that toured Austraila after WW1.
I have no knowledge beyond that.
What I do have though, is a copy of his song (the music itself is far older). On it it clearly shows a verse, which is crossed out and presumably he deleted. It was verse two and started "Mademoiselle enjoyed the noise, parlez vous"
In another, be crosses out the words "You'll" and hand writes "Go"
I cannot date these changes.
Another well known poen he wrote is Maloneys Cockatoo.

I hope that helps those interested. I am happy to converse with anyone who is interested. If you write to me, use my dodgy Yahoo addy initially (Tom_nz01@yahoo.com)