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Thread #79184   Message #1434572
Posted By: Dave'sWife
14-Mar-05 - 02:42 PM
Thread Name: BS: the people who make the corned beef
Subject: RE: BS: the people who make the corned beef
I found that comment about the Irish now having a strong food culture but a strong drinking culture somehwat offensive, but then, at this time of year, many people seem to feel free to let loose with comments such as that. It has been my own experience that the vast majority of idiots vomitting green beer in the streets are NOT Irish but tourists or opportunistic revelers who have turned St. Patricks Day from a religious holiday into a Pre-Spring Break bachannal. In fact, I believe even Frank McCourt has stated that he's been very offended by the suggestion that all Irish get drunk on St. Patrick's Day. It doesn't help that various Irish Pubs open their doors early in the AM to suck in all those "Irish for a day' drinkers so they can make a $$$ killing.

I know that I joked once on Mudcat that when I was growing up, I thought St.Patrick was the Patron Saint of Policemen because the cops on my family (in NYC) usually had the day off. I suppose that could have given the impression of partying and drinking. In fact, St. Patricks Day for them usually began with 6 AM Mass..that is for the ones not marching in the Parade. Guys who marched usually went to Mass at The Cathedral either before or after the event. For us, it was a Holy Day of Obligation and in the 70s, when I was a child, there was not this emphasis on drinking. That may also be due to the fact that it was not yet a Holiday for the masses. It could also be that in Eastern cities such as NYC and Boston, there's enough of an Irish community to keep the focus where it should be.

It saddens me that such a stereotype is perpetuated but there's naught to be done about it. Surely there are Irish Alcoholics but no more or less than the general public according to all my friends who are now members of AA and related groups. The thing that gets me is that during Black History Month or on Martin Luther King Day, people don't find it appropriate to joke about Watermelon eating or something equally offensive, but on St. Patrick's day, lots of folks trot out those Irish Drunk jokes. Oh well... I'm sure every ethnic group suffers through similar prejudices and given the opportunity, insensitive people would happily spout those as well. I'm sure their are demeaning Italian jokes that pop up around the Columbus Day or The San Genero parade, I've just not heard them. (Columbus day is HUGE in NYC, btw)

So..whatever..I don't drink and there'll be no drunks in my house on the 17th. I'll still be making Ham!

As for desserts.. I did suggest above the following appropriate desserts:

Gooseberry cream tart
Baked banana Pudding (or the NYC/Boston Iish American favorite Banoffee pie)
Coconut Layer Cake with Boiled Icing (you can dye the coconut green if you must)
and some new suggestions:
Porter Cake (made with Guinness)
Gingerbread (made with Guinness.. see the Gramarcy Tavern recipe on
Irish Mist Mousse
Irish Coffee Trifle
Pistachio Trifle (for the green colour)
Carrot pudding (if you want Orange instead of green..hehe)
Potato Cake

I got a million of these. PM me if you need a recipe.
Have a happy holiday everyone and stay away from the green beer! It's not natural!