Mudcat Café message #1204580 The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #70513   Message #1204580
Posted By: Rapparee
10-Jun-04 - 04:12 PM
Thread Name: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
Aren't we discussing utopias here?

But no utopia -- not the Shakers, not Robert Owen, not Marx, not the Oneida Colony, none -- has had long-term success. No matter how idealistic the founder(s) are, each utopia seems to crash against the rock of "want."

Human needs can be taken supplied. Human wants, on the other hand, can be a sort of illness of the soul. "I want...a better plow, a new wife, an afterlife, to run this operation, lots of material goods" are endemic to every culture. Buddhism deals with "want" by eliminating the desire to "want", but this doesn't seem to touch the root of the problem and it isn't a long-term solution.

And so, each utopia eventually devolves into dystopia....