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Thread #7247   Message #1166206
Posted By: GUEST,Iyoki
20-Apr-04 - 11:48 AM
Thread Name: Lyr Req: Spider's Web (Girl Scout song)
Subject: RE: Help! a Girl Scout folk song?
I learned and actually turned around and taught this song at a Camp Fire Camp. I was a Campfire girl for 12 years, and a counselor for at least 12 years all at Campfire camp. I suspect, this is just one of those songs that get passed around and around from camp to camp. I personally would just like to know where it came from.

One of my favorites, which I'm sure you heard also, was:

Rose, rose, rose rose,
Will I ever see thee red
I will marry at thy will sire
At thy will.

I was taught that this came from the time of the War of the Roses in England and that the woman was of the White rose, and she loved a man of the Red rose. Interestingly Henry the VI and his wife were of the two different colors, and their marriage ended this war. Also interestingly, it is all natural minor, which would fit the time period, and Henry VIII (Henry the VI's son), is reported to have written Greensleeves. My dream would be to put together a book that goes into the histories of some of these camp songs of which I have now, mostly just in my head.

---Iyoki from the Freckled forests of Oregon.