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Jim Carroll uk folk clubs high standard (356* d) RE: uk folk clubs high standard 05 May 19

"What is seems to come down to is that on your few recent visits to UK folk clubs you have come away disappointed"
No - it goes far beyond that Howard
This decline has been taking place since the late eighties when I mad many others stopped widely visiting clubs and confined ourselves to the diminishing few that lived up to what they called themselves
By the mid-nineties they became so few that the revival scene to be able to sustain itself
Arguments like these have pretty well established why they disappeared - the scene no longer has an identifiable basis, nobody seems to know or care what folk song is any more which means it has no future in England
I have no doubt there are clubs that still fly the folk flag, but I don't believe there is anywhere enogh to bring about the necessary changes

I can't recall having described what happens on the singing scene in Ireland - I certainly have never advocated it happening in Britain
Ireland has never really had a strong club scene - a few, some of them excellent - the Goilín being one of the most long lasting, the newest and the most promising is 'the one at The Cobblestone in Dublin, run mainly be young newbies
The instrumental music scene has established itself - from the 'session' level right through to having a place on the media and acceptance within the Arts fraternity - it has constant coverage in the media
The song side has a fair way to go to catch up, but there are signs that it is moving
THere are many 'song circles' here - regular local gatherings to sing and listen to songs
Not many are, as far as I know, traditionally based and there are few I have attended that I would do so regularly
We're lucky here - we have an excellent one, well run by a lady with a strong interest in traditional songs and firm han on the tiller - I'll be at that one tonight (will have to record 'Line of Duty' !!!)
Next month she has booked Tom McCarthy as a guest
We are discussing how to expand the group into a workshop in order to encourage those who don't sing, with advice and offers of material to learn from
I know that Mudcat member, Marn Ryan, is part of of an excellent Singers Gathering in Kinvarra, in Galway
There are over a dozen of these 'Circles' in this County alone
I would guess that there are more of them around Ireland than there are clubs in Britain
Not many are what I would describe as 'folk, but what's not to like Jack - you certainly don't have anything better on your side of the pond ?
As for festivals - in eight weeks time this little one-street town will be overflowing with people, young and old, who have come from all over the world come to take part in a week of classes, lectures, sessions, recitals, concerts.... in honour of the memory of traditional piper, Willie Clancy
That has been running for over four decades now and has produced some of the finest musicians in Ireland - it's importance being it is a school where people go to learn and teach and is, as far as I know, totally unique
There are other such annual gatherings in Ireland, many dedicated to traditional musicians and singers - Frank Harte, Padraig O'Keefe, Seamus Ennis, Joe Heaney, Joe Cooley, Frankie Kennedy....   
Not much not to like there Jack
Would that England had the same respect for its traditional singers and musicians Jack
They have a name for attitudes like your over here Jack - "begrudgery"

Sorry Dave
You are totally ignoring what I have said and are now carrying out a war of attrition - not something I wish to be part of

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