Mudcat Café Message Lyrics & Knowledge Personal Pages Record Shop Auction Links Radio & Media Kids Membership Help
The Mudcat Cafeawe



User Name Thread Name Subject Posted
meself Article discussion:'There’s nowt so fake as folk' (46) RE: Article discussion:"There’s nowt so fake as “folk" 28 Feb 19


Okay, I went back and read the rest, in hope of picking up some factoids, which I did. I don't have a particular issue with the thesis - it's all the specious argument and sneering dismissal on the way that bugs me.

E.g.:

"Similarly, the collectors preferred oral transmission to notated transcription." Maybe they figured 'notated transcription' was safe in the hands of churchmen, publishers and librarians?

"They took a recent variation on a loosely fixed lyric or melody for an original and standard form" - i.e., sometimes they were mistaken.

"the songs of African Americans which white intellectuals call “blues.” So what on earth do Black intellectuals - or even non-intellectuals - call those songs? What did W.C. Handy call them? Or Louis Armstrong? Or B.B. 'Blues Boy' King? Or does he mean white intellectuals like, say, Mick Jagger or Jimmy Page?

"the “folk boom” of the Sixties, when singers like Muddy Waters and John Lee Hooker, who had been playing electric urban music for years, realised there was money to be made from gullible students in Europe." Question: did Muddy and/or John Lee Hooker ever do 'acoustic "folk-blues"' tours of the European college circuit (if there is/was such a thing)? And if so, is there any reason to believe they didn't welcome the chance to sit down and play acoustically to an attentive audience, apart from financial considerations?

"Yet electric blues already met every “folk” criterion. It was unique to African Americans," No, it wasn't; certainly not by the "Sixties", which is the time period he's on about at this point (Hello, Paul Butterfield - oh, and there's John Mayall! And wait - that looks like Long John Baldry back there!).

"Inevitably, Sharp was a vegetarian and socialist." No comment.

"“Greensleeves” didn’t come out of English folkmusic." He spends two paragraphs on Greensleeves, as the quintessence of English folksong, in the minds of 'folk fetishists' ... apparently. Okay, folk fetishists, tell us how distressed you are to learn that Greensleeves is not a spontaneous creation of the folk.

There's more - and it's not really that long an article.


Post to this Thread -

Back to the Main Forum Page

By clicking on the User Name, you will requery the forum for that user. You will see everything that he or she has posted with that Mudcat name.

By clicking on the Thread Name, you will be sent to the Forum on that thread as if you selected it from the main Mudcat Forum page.

By clicking on the Subject, you will also go to the thread as if you selected it from the original Forum page, but also go directly to that particular message.

By clicking on the Date (Posted), you will dig out every message posted that day.

Try it all, you will see.