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Mysha Ethics of Aspies on juries (Asperger's) (62* d) RE: Ethics of Aspies on juries (Asperger's) 22 Jun 18

Well, I'm still not convinced that any of the deficiencies considered aren't more likely to be shown by allists, through their sheer numbers, than by autists.

But since leeneia asked:
A juror has to decide for himself, based on a witness's speech and "body language, whether the witness is lying or not.
Can a person with Asperger's do that?"

Obviously, where juries meet sworn-in witnesses, the need to determine whether or not the witness is telling the truth would demonstrate that the system doesn't work (any more). One could argue that that's even so where witnesses aren't sworn in.

But, let's cut this bit short: Aspergers aren't by definition less observant, nor less likely to draw conclusions from what they observe, when that is needed. But it doesn't matter whether a juror has that particular skill, as long as he is able to determine the truth. We see so many American TV/film where people are unable to determine untruth when a witness's words conflict known fact, that I wonder whether that's a true representation of reality or a sign of mediocre script-wrights.

Can a person with Asperger's tell if a lawyer is being tricky or not? Since 'tricky' is between true and not-true, can a person with Asperger's deal with it?

To someone good with logic, tricky would probably stand out like a sore thumb, exactly because it isn't absolute. Even so, I doubt that it should be the task of the jury to correct the errors in the process; it probably would have to be up to the other barrister to makes certain that nobody gets away with yo or nes.

And also commented that:
In America, when you [are] called for jury duty, you are asked if you can handle a trial emotionally. This is the point where an Asperger's person could say no.

This is the point where any candidate juror could say "No". Even without the mistaken believe that autists have no emotions, why single out Aspergers here? I lean towards that escape route being more difficult for Aspergers than for allists, as most adult Aspergers I know hold the truth in high regard, thus they are unlikely to claim emotional problems when the issues broached above are about whether they have or lack certain skills. Allist appear more willing to use the approach that the lie would have the right effect, thus would seem more likely to lie about emotions to get out because they are unfit. But I don't know: If you know one allist, you know one allist; they are all deal with their handicap differently.


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