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Royston Equal Rights for Gay Marriage (139* d) RE: Equal Rights for Gay Marriage 01 Apr 10

Ake, debates are not necesarily there to be "won" - just contributed to.

If "winning" is important, do you think that is achieved by being the last bigot standing? Verbally tossing off into empty air? I don't.

If you want to reopen that thread, go back there.

There is no need to dredge up any of the "Ugandan" thread here save for the fact that you - RIGHTLY - point out here the increased risk of HIV infection faced by men who have sex with men but you - WRONGLY - assert that denying them tolerance, understanding, social and legal equality, would be a solution to those health concerns.

It is relevant here because every couple that is supported to form a stable and successful relationship will be intrinsically safer and healthier as a result.

All the expert agencies (UN and national governments) assert with one voice that you are wrong; that in fact acceptance even celebration of minorities and legal protection for the rights of women, sexual minorities and those living with HIV, are the only ways to encourage access to education, testing, treatment and HIV prevention resources.

That all the expert agencies agree this is probably the only incontrovertible fact - because it is in the mission statements and announcements of every world government, WHO and UNAIDS - to have come out of the "Ugandan" thread.

So again we have you complaining about public health problems about which the views you epouse are regarded, by experts, as being unhelpful or even causative.

Did you notice that I agree with you on the central issue of religious marriage, just not for the same reasons.

Funny old world, innit?

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