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SharonA BS: proposed alteration to drink driving level (137* d) RE: BS: proposed alteration to drink driving level 03 Nov 09

GSS: Okay, sorry I misunderstood what you meant to say about "isolated dwellers" not applying to you personally.

Agreed that the faster the speed, the greater the braking distance required to come to a full stop or to the same lowered speed. I disagree with your assertion that this is a reason why "faster reactions are no use." On the contrary -- the faster a person can put his foot on the brake, the sooner he can use the brake to stop the car! :-)

You say "a driver going 30 to 35 mph[imo]having consumed two pints lets say in two and a half or three hours,is less dangerous than a driver going 65 70 80 mph plus who is perfectly sober and breaking the speed limit. can you provide statistics otherwise." I don't see any point in trying to provide them to you, since in your initial post you poo-pooed the statistic provided by your Sunday Times by saying, "This statistic proves nothing." Also, although you've made that assertion about dangerousness several times in this thread, you haven't provided a reference for it and, in fact, this last time you've admitted it's just your opinion, not a statistic.

In the US, on limited-access highways, driving 65-80 mph is the norm, and millions of drivers do it safely every day without killing themselves or anyone else. However, if a drunk driver were to be on one of those roads doing 30-35 mph, he would be posing an extreme danger to himself and the other drivers. In fact, limited-access highways in the US typically have minimum speed-limits of 40 mph for the sake of safety (except in emergency conditions such as fog, heavy rain, or snow).

So your assertion is dependent on some very specific conditions. If a driver is speeding down a rural (two-lane?) road at 65-80 mph (when the posted speed limit is what?), then of course he should be pulled over whether he's drunk or sober. But a drunk driver traveling at 30-35 mph should be pulled over as well. Both drivers are dangers to themselves and others, and in my opinion I don't think one is "more" dangerous than the other. A car that hits you at 35 mph can kill you just as dead as one traveling at 80 mph; your body may be smeared over fewer feet of the road at 35 mph, but you wouldn't care because you'd be dead either way.

According to this site -- -- "after two pints of strong lager... a driver would be over the legal limit [of 80mg of alcohol per 100ml of blood]." "The 80mg figure translates into a total of four units of alcohol for men, and three units for women. By way of an example, pint of beer, at 5% ABV, contains 2.8 units." So your two pints makes you legally drunk under your present law. Your assertion that you're OK to drive after your two pints is not supported by that website's statement. Are you going to poo-poo that statistic too?

Also, if you're having two pints of beer and walking home, how steady are you on your feet? How likely are you to weave at the wrong time and step in front of an oncoming car??? Doesn't sound like a safe habit to me.

Like I said before, take a good look at your own behavior... and stay sober when you go out!

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