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Thomas the Rhymer BS: One compelling reason for a god? (353* d) RE: BS: One compelling reason for a god? 02 Apr 07


The bastard? (crosses himself)... Then your conception of God is as something elses illegitimate conception? Oh my! (crosses himself again).

Okay...this should be fun... THEN YOU ARE NOT TRYING HARD ENOUGH

Argument 2

I exist. (Do you? YES, AS DO YOU...Are you sure? YES...Maybe your existence is illusory, like a dream.) AND MAYBE TOMORROW WAS YESTERDAY FOR SEVENTEEN ELEPHANT EARS

My existence must have a cause. (Must it? YES...How so? NOTHING COMES FROM NOTHING...If you have always existed, I HAVE NOT ALWAYS EXISTED, I AM A MORTAL...then no cause was required. How do you know you have not always existed? MY BIRTH WAS RECORDED... Are you only your body? NO...If not, then you may have pre-existed the body. I MAY HAVE BEEN ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING BY THIS CONJECTURE, AND NONE OF IT IS ANYTHING BUT SURMIZABLE...Is your body real? YES, AS IS THE PAIN AND WORK RESULTS CREATED BY MY DAILY LABORS)

The cause must be either:
   a) myself (possibly) NOT EVEN REMOTELY LIKELY
   b) my always having existed (as I have suggested already) PATHETIC SELF DELUSION
   c) my parents (yeah, okay) THANKS
   d) something less perfect than God (a thing is either perfect or it isn't...how can you be less perfect?) GRADATIONS OF PERFECTION, THOUGH THEY BE HARD TO QUANTIFY, DO EXIST
   e) God (how do you define "God"?") THE SUPREME CREATOR OF ALL THAT IS... ALL KNOWING, AND ALL BEING... WITH AN EXALTED LEVEL OF PERFECTION THAT TO US SEEMS LIKE A QUANTUM LEAP ABOVE ANY NOTIONS WE MIGHT EVEN PRETEND TO HAVE OF IT

Not a. If I had created myself, I would have made myself perfect. (How could you do that if you were not perfect already? Have you considered that maybe you are perfect, in that you are the one and only perfect version of what you are?) YES, THAT WAS HIS POINT, AND THEREFORE IMPOSSIBLE. I AM PERFECTLY IMPERFECT.

Not b. Continued existence does not follow from present existence. (Why not?) MORTALITY SUCKS...

Not c. This leads to an infinite regress. (Does it?) YES. IF YOU FOLLOW IT LONG ENOUGH, YOU EVENTUALLY END UP AT THE ORIGINAL QUESTION AGAIN.

Not d. The idea of perfection that exists in me cannot have originated from a non-perfect being. (Ha! I am less than a perfect singer or guitar player, but I DO have an idea of perfection when it comes to both of those activities...as does anyone else who is deeply interested in those activities.) ARE YOU SURE YOU ARE ABLE TO DECIDE THESE THINGS FOR OTHERS? IF YOU ARE NOT PERFECT, THEN YOU OBVIOUSLY NEED TO PRACTICE MORE ;^)

      e. God exists. (Again, how do you define "God", Mr Decartes?) SEE PREVIOUS DESCRIPTION

Here's what I say: YES, WE ALL KNOW THAT YOU 'BELIEVE' YOU ARE DESCARTES' EQUAL IN THESE MATTERS Existence itself exists. IT'S NOT A DREAM AFTER ALL? God is identical with existence itself, SIAMESE TWINS? that is to say, God is inclusive of all that is. WE CAN AGREE AT LAST! We debate about because we think we are separate. WE ARE ALL GOD'S CHILDREN That thinking is our dream of separate existence, WE USE DIFFERENT TOOTHBRUSHES... and it is what appears TO LITTLE HAWK to separate us from one another SO THE SIAMESE TWINS CAN LIVE MORE NORMAL LIVES and from God, LIKE NOT BELIEVING IN GOD DOESN'T SEPERATE US FROM GOD? which is existence itself. EXISTENCE OF WHAT...? Nothing that exists CAN separate itself from existence itself, BUT GOD HAS A PLAN YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND, LITTLE HAWK but it can imagine that it has done so. UNTILL THE RAPTURE

Hope this helps...
ttr


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