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Piers BS: Changes? (37) RE: BS: Changes? 21 Sep 05


Well the British workers were and are enslaved to the British ruling class as the German workers to the German ruling class. The British workers were murdered by the British ruling class by sending them to war to fight for something that they would never own. And the British ruling class would most likely kill British workers should they try to take power by armed force, like Hitler killed communists and socialists, as well as Jews, the disabled and travellers.

The revolutions/wars mentioned above are not socialist revolutions (none of them resulted in socialism) and could not be because it is necessary that the forces of production be developed enough to satisfy all the basic needs of humanity as they are now.

Orwell's Animal Farm is a fictional tale loosely based on the upper echelons of the Russian Revolution, which saw Russia then a fuedal, agrarian based, society become a state capitalist industrial economy (like Chinese revolution).

The Irish, Japanese and Italian wars you mention were merely nationalist/anti-imperialist wars over resources - the bosses changed the workers were still workers.

The French Revolution was one against the aristocratic ruling classes. The American Revolution was one of the industrial north against the agricultural south.

All wars have used populist and even socialist rhetoric to get workers to lay down their lives for the ruling (or wanna be ruling) class.

You will find that centralised bureacracy, private ownership of the means of production, the social relations of capital and the inequailties of wealth and power are the odd factors out of human history as for many thousands of years we did without them.

There is nothing naive about ending wageslavery. Socialism is a practical alternative to capitalism. When ideas about how the socialism could be applied to a modern industrial economy were first discussed in the 19th century it was clear to the most notable thinkers of the time (E.g. Marx, Engels, William Morris) that a society based on direct democracy, common ownership and free access must be built by all its participants - the concept of working-class self-emancipation. The so-called 'communists' and 'socialists' who have been in power were leaders, part of a hierachy, who made promises, like our present politicians. Socialism is dependent on direct democracy of individuals, there is no short-cut it requires majority of people to understand and want it. You don't need leaders if you know where you are going.


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