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R. Padgett BS: Was Thatcher right? (125* d) RE: BS: Was Thatcher right? 05 Aug 05


WE did of course have a Civil war in 1984/5

On one side was the NUM through Arthur Scargill who was trying to defend mining industry and jobs.

It was a terrible time with Thatcher crying Rule of Law and down with Union power [which she accomplished] at the cost of revenue from North Sea Oil ~ she was a very clever strategist having seen the fall of the late Edward Heath due to union activities


We now have a society virtually devoid of heavy industry little mining, a society dependent upon Tourism and Banking

Former mining communities like Grimethorpe and no doubt others virtually empty and derelict

The reality of mining was miners in poor health, dust ~ emphesemia
no jobs for MEN who worked and got paid well for the physical efforts

What are the mining lads encouraged to do now learn IT!!

Where are the physical jobs now please?

Trades men are needed to ensure our utilities are maintained and needs physical effort, yes

The Spirit engendered during the miners strike from all sectors of the UK took us back to the War austerity times, with soup kitchens and hand outs

That's was Thatcher's legacy a divided Nation

Yes Scargill made mistakes he was prophet of doom

Both were wrong, both stubborn the maxim jaw jaw was needed ~ but Thatcher was the dictator the Class thing mattered and who was Scargill anyway.

Thatcher was convinced that she was the Prime Minister and had RULE of Law on her side, yes but through physical strength of her paid police/army (I wonder what percentage of the electorate had actually voted for her ~ bearing in mind that voting isnt mandatory in this country?) Scargill should have gone to his members ~ so should Thatcher!

Yes ex miners lives are much safer now free from the dust, such harsh after math leaving villages crippled, communities split up and men on the dole [yes i know a lot got redundancy pay and good too] but a man needs work to do and says nothing of the pay off in terms of sold out jobs for miners sons (do this IT course young man!!)

Prime Ministers now need a fair and reasonable hand in our society, class must no longer be seen as an issue, we all have fair and reasonable opinions to which due regard is needed and we have much more information than we ever did.

PMs actions are seen with great clarity and scrutinised on TV and in Parliamentary televised committees and debates

We can at least see and hear explanations and make up our own minds regarding decisions made, PMs are called to account for their actions and have difficulty hiding as Thatcher did from proper discourse and divisive action which caused undue hardship which still continues as with any war

Openness and accountability is the new watch word

I am now non political having been disillusioned by the SDP Liberal merger many years ago

i dont like any of 'em now nor the society in which now live
Ray Padgett; Barnsley, South Yorkshire


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